MGB breaking news -- Dajon Williams no longer a part of UNT program

TheWestie · June 2, 2015

Lesson to learn: Don't have kids when you're a freshman under Coach Mac.

UNTexas · June 2, 2015

I have a different perception of how players end up departing. I saw a lot of players come and go when I played at UNT. Some got tired of playing, some ended up getting the boot, some flunked out, some got in legal trouble, ect. There were times when teammates didn't even know why someone departed. Other times the coaches would be brutally honest about situations to teach a lesson of what not to do. Either way there were always theories. Generally it was no surprise but a couple of times it was shocking.

With DW there were signs that things weren't going well. Players don't just get suspended because a coach woke up on the wrong side of the bed. They may get benched but not suspended. It sounds like he lost trust and never regained it. There were probably compounding problems that no one will ever discuss because the coaches have already moved on. So has DW. One can only speculate but it's usually multiple issues that lead up to the end. Getting bumped to 3rd string was probably the point DW had enough and it's probably that simple. These days the speculation runs rampant because of the internet. None of this departure is a surprise. Occam's Razor pretty much sums this one up. My two cents anyway...

Edited June 2, 2015 by UNTexas

All About UNT · June 2, 2015

Saw that we are back in play on Richard Lagow from Cisco. Didn't we offer him and he took off to Connecticut?

GOMG2013 · June 2, 2015

Dajon has to grow up. I hope another program gives him a shot based on some of the good film he has at UNT. Dajon has issues with maturity. Football wise and off the field. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes.

LongJim · June 2, 2015

Writing was on the wall when Smith transferred in.

Good luck to Williams. He'll get there as he eats more birthday cake.

Edited June 2, 2015 by LongJim

flyonthewall · June 2, 2015

Joey Byerly redux

Ryan Munthe · June 2, 2015

Dajon has to grow up. I hope another program gives him a shot based on some of the good film he has at UNT. Dajon has issues with maturity. Football wise and off the field. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes.

Yay! More character assassination based off of a stupid Facebook chart two years ago!

MeanGreenTexan · June 2, 2015

Lesson to learn: Don't have kids when you're a freshman under Coach Mac.

If, IF, this played any part in McCarney's decisions to bench him, bury him on the depth chart, or ultimately dismiss him (if he was even dismissed?), then it's the crappiest of the crappy and I'm ready for McCarney to be gone ASAP. I just don't think it was (at least, I hope it wasnt).

oldguystudent · June 2, 2015

If, IF, this played any part in McCarney's decisions to bench him, bury him on the depth chart, or ultimately dismiss him (if he was even dismissed?), then it's the crappiest of the crappy and I'm ready for McCarney to be gone ASAP. I just don't think it was (at least, I hope it wasnt).

My gut feeling on that? And this is totally unsubstantiated, nothing more than fanciful conjecture from the frightening depths of my inner psyche:

Not a surface reason for dismissal, but you know how sometimes a coworker will go on maternity leave, then extend it beyond the planned amount of time, then try to haggle for a part time schedule, then ultimately quit, but demand to have accumulated seniority during the entire absence, all the while leaving the workload to the coworkers who didn't leave but without extra compensation?

You can't hold that coworker responsible for having a child or feeling too tired to commit to both work and raising an infant or having to choose between income and career advancement, and tending to the most helpless and needy form of person in their care.

But as you sit at your desk putting in 14 hours days because that person's absence has doubled your workload, and you get home, look at your meager paycheck, you might start to notice something, anything that that coworker does that you find inferior. It may over time become nigh impossible for that coworker to appear favorable in your eyes because subconsciously, you're humping ass in their absence and they're getting the recognition (and in my experience once, the $25,000 bonus) for it because hey, parenthood is a supernatural feat that only the strongest, brightest, and most talented among us can achieve so let's worship it.

That subconscious bitterness might lead you to simply find that coworker unworthy, lazy, uncommitted.

Edited June 2, 2015 by oldguystudent
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VideoEagle · June 2, 2015

Again, other than on this board and a blog post that follows this board, has the word "dismissed" been used in an article? Just curious because I haven't seen it.

Quoner · June 2, 2015

Joey Byerly redux

Hey, it's been 10 years. Where does the time go?

Also, does that mean this is now one of our traditions? Losing talented QBs for seemingly innocuous reasons that add up to kind of a weird pattern has to at least be the new albino squirrel.

Cr1028 · June 2, 2015

I could see him going JUCO. He's still eligible to play JUCO ball as a redshirt sophomore, and it'd give him a good chance to get showcased.
As it is we were the only FBS school who offered him, so I'm not sure if schools who didn't recruit him then would be willing to offer now, without watching him play a full season (i.e. at a JUCO).

We were likely the only because he committed very early and shut down his recruitment.

Ryan Munthe · June 2, 2015

We were likely the only because he committed very early and shut down his recruitment.

Makes it even worse. I feel for the guy.

SilverEagle · June 2, 2015

First of all, this is not the guy that I was hoping would move on.

And addressing the issue of coaching vs personal responsibility/maturity issue. I view good coaching in much the same way as I view good parenting. The most successful parents are the ones who have the ability to "individualize" their kids and adjust their parenting accordingly. If you have three kids and you parent each of them exactly the same then you'll be lucky if two of them become fully functional adults. And that's assuming you have the ability to parent in the first place.

This is a long way to say that any coach with any sort of "skins" on the wall should have accurately assessed the situation with DW a LONG time ago and either 1). formulated an action plan with him (complete with time frames), that he fully understood, to get on the path to being a starter and reaching his full potential in the aforementioned coach's system, or 2) advised him to move-on a long time before this.

I agree with the poster who said that DW finally saw the writing on the wall when Mr. Greer was put ahead of him on the depth chart after the spring game. If I was DW I couldn't have been more insulted.

But, moving on, this could be an opportunity for the coaching staff to give Mr. Dillman an opportunity to see how he could do at the QB position, and go ahead and move Mr. Chumley to his ideal position.....TE.

Edited June 2, 2015 by SilverEagle

MeanGreen13 · June 2, 2015

To me, coaching and teaching boil down to mentoring. good professors are effective with students because they set up a mentoring relationship that aids in learning. same with a coach. you want to grow young men? then invest in them more than they invest in you and watch what happens. not saying that it would have turned out different but it definitely came off as the coaches (read Mac) never liked DW interpersonally and gave him opportunities without helping him take advantage of it. i never understood the whole we give you the opportunity and you have to make it happen or you are out of here. If the kid knew what to do, why would he need a coach or a mentor? anyway, I am planning on being a professor so mentoring is something I think about a lot. There doesn't appear to have ever been a mentor for DW. Even someone like DT was at odds with the kid from the beginning (probably because the coaches used DW to threaten DT's position way too early). I know that because of some of the comments DT has made on social media that hinted at it. anyway, best of luck to DW!!! hope he finds a mentor out there that will invest in him, football and otherwise.

MeanGreenZen · June 2, 2015

Sad missed opportunity here for everyone: DW, Mac, Canales. If DW ever gets his head on straight he could really make this hurt, especially if he goes JUCO builds up his stock and lands at P5 (we all know he has the talent). Also hope Demarcus Smith comes in and is All-CUSA while McNulty's fingers get callouses from holding clipboard so much.

Army of Dad · June 2, 2015

We were likely the only because he committed very early and shut down his recruitment.

Yes, because that stops teams from trying to recruit a player they really like, especially if they can poach him from a team lower on the football totem pole...

untcampbell · June 2, 2015

I would like Billy's perspective on this question:

Who would you say is the biggest impact recruit that we offered early, influencing said player to shut down his recruiting early, that everyone else decided not to offer because we offered early and the player outwardly said he was shutting down his recruiting early? Grammatical errors intentional.

GMG

Army of Dad · June 2, 2015

As I suspected, the "talent isn't everything, you have to work for it...blah, blah, blah" crowd has come out and I could have predicted who they would be. So, for the Mac apologists, explain this one. When the one thing that Brock Burglund and Dajon Williams have in common (other than not being a statue) is that they were brought here BY MAC...and then you add in the debacle that is Greer (again, brought in BY MAC)...when do we start to question the coach?!

I know, I know, for a few of you (actually one) questioning Mac is questioning RV...and that's just too much.

How did you react to Vizza and Reilly leaving? Did you go on a crusade to defend their honor on GMG?

I know that sounds like a smart ass question, but I mean it as serious question because I don't think I was even signed up on GMG (or knew of its existence) when Vizza left and I don't recall your reaction when Reilly left.

IF your reaction was different, then why?

For what it's worth, I'm more concerned this staff doesn't have an heir apparent than I am that a QB left the team. I would prefer that all players remain in school (and the one they started at), but I understand that players want to play and will move on to find PT. I think all the angst surrounding Williams is that he didn't have as much competition for the job than we would like. If we had a good (or dare I hope, great) QB few would be so concerned about Dajon not playing or leaving.

SilverEagle · June 2, 2015

If DW REALLY has the ability to reach his full potential AND he has enough eligibility left, he could always transfer to Lamar and come back in 2017 and lead the Cardinals to a totally embarrassing win over us.

oldguystudent · June 2, 2015

How did you react to Vizza and Reilly leaving? Did you go on a crusade to defend their honor on GMG?

Not to speak for Emmitt at all, but I recall very mixed reactions for both Vizza and Riley.

The wizard of Dragon Stadium was a divisive force.

If you loved the Titan of Teflon, you tended to spew acidic good riddances to Vizza and his outspoken father and laud Riley as a class act who had exhausted his dream of playing for his father, playing his heart out on the field.

If, on the other hand, you believed His Highness of Highway 26 was in over his head, arrogant, unyielding in his incompetence, and hopeless as an FBS coach, you tended to understand Vizza's departure (although questioning some of his post-UNT actions) and dismiss Riley's departure as writing on the wall that nepotism was no longer going to guarantee him the starting position.

NorthTexan95 · June 2, 2015

Not to speak for Emmitt at all, but I recall very mixed reactions for both Vizza and Riley.
The wizard of Dragon Stadium was a divisive force.
If you loved the Titan of Teflon, you tended to spew acidic good riddances to Vizza and his outspoken father and laud Riley as a class act who had exhausted his dream of playing for his father, playing his heart out on the field.
If, on the other hand, you believed His Highness of Highway 26 was in over his head, arrogant, unyielding in his incompetence, and hopeless as an FBS coach, you tended to understand Vizza's departure (although questioning some of his post-UNT actions) and dismiss Riley's departure as writing on the wall that nepotism was no longer going to guarantee him the starting position.

This is how I remember it.

Green Crazy · June 2, 2015

This is the football version of tony Mitchell.

ColoradoEagle · June 2, 2015

This is the football version of tony Mitchell.

Tap the breaks. No one was referring to DW as an NFL talent that could be one and done at UNT.

greenit · June 2, 2015

DW's leaving is hardly a surprise. Many thought he would leave after last Fall. In hindsight, he probably should have.

This is what QB's do. If they are not in a position to play significant minutes, they move on. Sadly, it was probably time for DW to move on for his own sake. I still can't believe he was not ahead of Greer (at least) on the depth chart, but that just shows how far the divide between DW and the coaching staff must have been.

Best of luck to DW. I hope he lights it up somewhere in the Fall.

Edited June 2, 2015 by greenit