Backlash At UNT Over Governor Abbott At Graduation

[oldguystudent]

So she is famous for being a transgender person who played a transgender person in a movie?

It's a Netflix series about women's prison. It's a super kickass series except for the constant undertone that the producers don't believe any woman should ever be incarcerated for any reason.

[oldguystudent]

Yeah, and I'd be willing to bet that you are much friendlier in person.

He really is nice in person. Never lets you go without a beer and 99 44/100% less crazy (but still a little crazy). Just watch yourself in the bathroom stalls during games.

[UNT90]

It's a Netflix series about women's prison. It's a super kickass series except for the constant undertone that the producers don't believe any woman should ever be incarcerated for any reason.

Never heard of it. Is committed to a mental facility considered incarcerated?...

Because...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU

?

Edited April 8, 2015 by UNT90

[Eagle1855]

Well this thread went exactly as expected.

[UNT90]

Just watch yourself in the bathroom stalls during games.

You really gotta stop spending 3 quarters of the game hanging around in there...

[oldguystudent]

You really gotta stop spending 3 quarters of the game hanging around in there...

Hey, there's more action in there than on the field most of the time!

Edited April 8, 2015 by oldguystudent

[MeanGreenTexan]

Well this thread went exactly as expected.

Sure did.

It's going to happen, regardless of what anyone says/does. I just hope our University doesn't sustain a black eye the day of. You know the media will be there ready to report if any of these 'threats' come to fruition.

[Quoner]

So she is famous for being a transgender person who played a transgender person in a movie?

Again, I really can't see her speech being about anything other than being transgender? If that's the case, that is a political speech.

Now, if she had come to speak about thermonuclear war, finance, the business model that made her successful, or any other topic and just HAPPENED to be transgender, that would be completely different.

Yuck. She lost my vote based on this alone:

Cox spoke about her life and journey through transition. She described her experiences being bullied almost every day from preschool to high school, because of the way she expressed her gender. For most of her childhood she dealt with name calling and being shamed by classmates, members of her church, her teachers, and even her own mother.

Though it took awhile for her mother to understand and accept what being transgender was, especially during Cox' s transition process after college, she is now quick to correct those who use the wrong gender pronoun when talking about Cox.

During her lecture, Cox continually encouraged love, empathy, and understanding. She also gave chilling statistics about the high suicide and homicide rates for transgender women, particularly transgender black women, to make the audience understand how far hate can go.

[UNT90]

Yuck. She lost my vote based on this alone:

Like I said, a political speech.

[untjim1995]

The facts are, young people as a whole, do not agree with the republican party. To me, the reasons are obvious, but its clear most people in this thread are too old to understand why that is. Get off your high horses, if wendy davis came to speak, it would be met with the exact same resistance from you people, the people who are claiming the left are "intolerant" because they disagree with a right wing politician speaking at their commencement.

If someone protested loudly to the media about not going to listen to Governor Wendy Davis, they would look like just as big a loser as those complaining to the media about Greg Abbott. Shockingly, I didn't get on a high horse to make this very opinionated statement.

Your post above is just your way of trying to make the current douchebags who are causing this issue to embarrass the university to be somehow understandable, probably because they are "on your side" politically. Guess what, if you defend this kind of stupidity (left or right), you're part of the problem in this country right now. All we do is demagogue others and never even listen to their views in a respectful manner. Just get to the media first or to your online social media group as fast as possible to create more angst. The country is more divided than ever--we literally have the least amount of cohesiveness ever as an American people. I don't know for certain that it will hurt our country even more in the future, but I know its not going to make it healthier, either. Civil debates and peaceful protests are one thing--obnoxious, run-to-your-favorite-media-outlet-and whine-without-showing-respect reactions are the polar opposite.

I am a pretty strong Catholic--yet I often listen to speakers who look at the world in a very different way than my Catholic theology teaches if the topic interests me. Why? Because its the right thing to do, even if it makes my blood boil. I need to understand that view point better if I want to re-affirm my own view or to ask myself if that is a valid thought. My pastor at our church often talks about listening to other viewpoints, if for no other reason than to show others that you can respect their right to think differently. Now, if a Satanist shows up to defend his view in some talk, I don't have any interest to hear it, so I don't go. But I sure as hell don't cry to the media about it, like a child. I act like an adult and allow for adults to determine if a speaker is deemed worthy or valuable to the audience, which usually is shown by the crowd that shows up and its reaction to said speaker. If you go to a free speech, one protected by the Bill of Rights, just to shout it down or to interrupt it because you disagree with it, you're just an idiot--a selfish one, too. At least let someone speak their mind if they are invited, just as you would if you invited a guest into your home. If we followed that kind of logic, I have zero doubt that we would be a lot more civil toward each other today--insted of this "gotcha" mentality that exists in our society now, which provides absolutely no value whatsoever, in my opinion.

Edited April 8, 2015 by untjim1995

[Ben Gooding]

I have nothing mild mannered to say about these idiots other than saying I have nothing mild mannered to say.

Oh and Laverne Cox's speaking engagements are nothing but political. It's a highly controversial well talked about political point that she comes and spreads into the ears of vulnerable college students.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Ben Gooding

[TIgreen01]

Hey goober. This isn't about politics. It's about respecting the office of the governor, no matter who is in it.

Its about not embarrassing your alma mater. It's about not making an enemy out of a guy who runs a government that YOUR university literally owes MILLIONS of dollars.

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Really, this is all it boils down to.

My 11 year old daughter came home from school a few months back and started speaking in a derogatory manner about Pres. Obama. Just repeating crap she heard friends saying. This did not go over well with me. Now, I did not vote for Pres. Obama and do not like or agree with many of his policies, but I will not stand for my kids learning that it is ok to disrespect our elected officials.

Edited April 8, 2015 by TIgreen01

[JesseMartin]

He really is nice in person. Never lets you go without a beer and 99 44/100% less crazy (but still a little crazy). Just watch yourself in the bathroom stalls during games.

Whaaaaa....

[UNT90]

Whaaaaa....

Time and a place, my friend.

[NTXCoog]

How sad that this generation can't even listen to opposing viewpoints and hates those that hold those opinions. When I was in school, Jesse Jackson was trying to get the Democratic nomination to run for president. He came to my school to make a campaign speech. This wasn't a graduation speech so I wasn't forced to go if I wanted to walk. So even though I disagreed with him on most political points, I CHOSE to go listen to him. I didn't try to get him banned from campus and as far as I know, no one else did either.

Why did I go?

1) He was a national figure giving a speech. That's something you want to see.

2) He had a reputation as a good speaker. He lived up to that reputation

3) He had an opinion worth listening to. He had legitimate grievances and political points to make especially at the time more than 25 years ago.

I disagreed with his methods of addressing those grievances and political priorities, but it was definitely a speech worth attending. I broadened my world view, learned about others' concerns, and learned how they wanted to address them. Perhaps some of his ways to resolve issues I could accept. Perhaps some of his issues could be resolved another way that I would like. Perhaps the only thing that I could gain is I understand his viewpoint even if I totally disagreed with it.

But without respecting the man and his opinions, how would I know any of the above?

Edited April 8, 2015 by NTXCoog

[All About UNT]

Hey, there's more action in there than on the field most of the time!

[GreenBat]

I would not let the speaker destroy my years of hard work. I'd put my head phones on, turn up some Metal and listen to something I enjoy.

[flyonthewall]

What happened to the rules? No politics? Not to violate kayfabe, but is john henson still alive?

[UNT90]

I would not let the speaker destroy my years of hard work. I'd put my head phones on, turn up some Metal and listen to something I enjoy.

And that would be perfectly fine.

[cwb]

What happened to the rules? No politics? Not to violate kayfabe, but is john henson still alive?

One of the few times that I am proud that I neeeded to look up the meaning of a word.

[Quoner]

What happened to the rules? No politics? Not to violate kayfabe, but is john henson still alive?

I think so, but I'm not a huge Bucks fan.

[mattmartin817]

Hey goober. This isn't about politics. It's about respecting the office of the governor, no matter who is in it.

Do we have to resort to vicious name calling? I'll be over here clutching my pearls.

[UNT90]

Do we have to resort to vicious name calling? I'll be over here clutching my pearls.

Goober is as goober does...

[UNT90]

I wonder how certain posters would feel if Justice Scalia were giving the commencement address.

Anyone?

[FirefightnRick]

Never heard of it. Is committed to a mental facility considered incarcerated?...

Because...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU

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The "Hot-Crazy Matrix" is genius.

Rick

Edited April 8, 2015 by FirefightnRick