Student Attendance At Sporting Events

[GreenMachine]

This is a crazy argument. When a university only has 10k students common law of common sense says it will be easier to house them.

There are hundreds of rent houses and apartment complexes that surround the campus that are filled with students. They don't fall into the "live on campus" category, no. But they live a stone throw away from campus and most walk or ride a bike to class. The perception of UNT being a commuter school is just that, a perception. My guess would be that at least 80% of the enrollment live inside loop 288 in Denton.

Yes but is that the unique part of Denton?

[Mean Green Matt]

But, take the percentages.

If 7-8,000 of SMU students live on campus that's 63-73% (based on 2012 enrollment of 10,893)

If 7-8,000 of TCU students live on campus that's 70-80% (based on 2014 enrollment of 10,033)

Take that against UNT's total enrollment of 36,000 and that means that 19-22% of our students that live on campus

So, how does this take away the notion of being a commuter school?

I suppose it all depends on your personal definition of commuter. If someone lives in Denton I don't consider that a commuter. If they live with their parents in Flower Mound or some place like that, that person is probably a commuter. If on campus population is the only way to not be a commuter school, then we can just accept it because housing 20,000 people on campus is not really feasible.

[UNTFan23]

And that's not feasible for pretty much any public school. Even at A&M where there are very few commuters.

aTm is out in the middle of nowhere so it's very challenging to commute to the school if you don't live in College Station.

[meangreen15]

In all of the classes I took at UNT, I'd say at least 75% of the students lived outside of Denton. Granted this is skewed because I only took my upper level courses at UNT, but still this was pretty surprising. My capstone class last fall only had 3 students (including myself) out of 30 who lived in Denton. I've always considered us a commuter school, but I guess that's because I experienced that first hand.

[ColoradoEagle]

That was never the experience for me until senior year. At that point, many of the people I went to class with were hitting the end of their apartment leases in Denton and decided to move to Lewisville or The Colony, because they were already interning/working outside of Denton or had plans to.

[Ben Gooding]

In all of the classes I took at UNT, I'd say at least 75% of the students lived outside of Denton. Granted this is skewed because I only took my upper level courses at UNT, but still this was pretty surprising. My capstone class last fall only had 3 students (including myself) out of 30 who lived in Denton. I've always considered us a commuter school, but I guess that's because I experienced that first hand.

Lets pull out the exceptions and consider them the norm. That's logical sense.

Your one class is a very, very tiny sample. Drive around campus and actually look at the number of rent houses and apartment complexes. Then take into consideration the number of students that live in student housing. There are far more students that live in Denton than don't and it's not even close, at all. UNT has been stamped a commuter school because of the number of degrees it offers and the competition in the region (privates). So, the run of the mill person that wants "to go back and get that degree" obviously more often than not chooses UNT over the privates because of price and degree options. That and only that is the reason we are incorrectly labeled a commuter school. To note, it's a label that is dying off and for good reason. GMG

[KRAM1]

Anyone who believes that UNT is today a communter school has no idea what they are talking about and very little to no knowledge of the campus today. Sad...it seems we have met the enemy and he is us in many cases. If our own grads inow so little about their school why should we expect any outsider to have any concept of the UNT od today? Even our brand new president has acknowledged the fact that UNT is in no way a "commuter school" and he has only been here for one year. So sad that even our own grads know so little of the school's culture these days. I guess...only at North Texas.

[oldguystudent]

Exactly. I know so many people who, by their Senior year had already moved to find jobs.

And that is hardly a bad thing. A very large portion of my graduating class was already hired and working before graduation.

I mean, seriously, are we going use that as a criticism?

A UNT EDUCATION IS SO FREAKING EFFECTIVE AT GETTING YOU HIRED THAT YOU'LL LIKELY END UP GAINFULLY EMPLOYED BEFORE YOU EVEN TAKE YOUR LAST FINALS! OH NOES! JUST PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T MOVE OUT OF DENTON!

[KRAM1]

To be fair, the university has changed so drastically over the years. Didn't Bataille come right out and say we are commuter? Although this is a symptom of the fact that so many alums don't come back, or if they do, their experiences are limited to attending football games.

Bataille was an idiot and did not last long. Perhaps the fact that she knew ZERO about the university she was leading had something to do with that fact. A very very poor president. Her only positive was that she was a "change agent" that woke up a lot of people and set the stage for the eventual hire of Dr. Smatresk. It was a great day when Jackson canned her...maybe the only really good thing Jackson has done for UNT since becomming Chancellor. I will forever be appreciative of the fact that he canned that idiot of a so-called university president!

[UNT90]

Bataille was an idiot and did not last long. Perhaps the fact that she knew ZERO about the university she was leading had something to do with that fact. A very very poor president. Her only positive was that she was a "change agent" that woke up a lot of people and set the stage for the eventual hire of Dr. Smatresk. It was a great day when Jackson canned her...maybe the only really good thing Jackson has done for UNT since becomming Chancellor. I will forever be appreciative of the fact that he canned that idiot of a so-called university president!

Can't wait for your 3 year post RV posts. ;-)

[foutsrouts]

And that's not feasible for pretty much any public school. Even at A&M where there are very few commuters.

I don't know the numbers, but I've known A LOT of A&M commuters from the ever growing Conroe/Lake Conroe area, as well as from western Houston/Katy. Unlike the isolated wasteland of Lubbock where most commuters are born and raised locals, College Station seems to grow closer to the Houston area daily.

[KRAM1]

Can't wait for your 3 year post RV posts. ;-)

Funny boy...problem is that I was saying similar things about 6 months after she got here to anyone that would listen. Like I said...she was a needed "change agent", but a total disaster as a college prez. Gee, what's she doing today?

[GreenMachine]

Funny boy...problem is that I was saying similar things about 6 months after she got here to anyone that would listen. Like I said...she was a needed "change agent", but a total disaster as a college prez. Gee, what's she doing today?

she is President of GMB consulting.

[TheTastyGreek]

Bataille was an idiot

I do not think Bataille is an "idiot"

[GreenMachine]

On 10/18/2013 at 3:03 PM, KRAM1 said:

I do not think Bataille is an "idiot"

Maybe she was an idiot but took an anti-idiot class?

[UNT90]

You mean she took a pro-idiot class, right?

[Mean Green 93-98]

There's a difference between an idiot and an "idiot."

[CMJ]

Never change Tasty, never change.

[Eagle1855]

I don't know the numbers, but I've known A LOT of A&M commuters from the ever growing Conroe/Lake Conroe area, as well as from western Houston/Katy. Unlike the isolated wasteland of Lubbock where most commuters are born and raised locals, College Station seems to grow closer to the Houston area daily.

Conroe is over 60 miles from College Station. Katy is over 80. Houston, more than 90. That's a horribly lengthy commute to make to go to college -- especially since none of them would be considered an "easy" drive.

I could understand some adult/non-trad students or graduate students commuting for specific programs, but I don't know why any traditional undergrad would want to make that drive several times a week. Especially since UH is closer to all of them, caters to non-traditional students, and offers a solid education in its own right. Additionally, A&M has an MBA campus in The Woodlands, so there's no reason to go to the main campus for post-grad business programs.

All that said, I can certainly appreciate the desire to spend as little time as possible in College Station.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Eagle1855

[KRAM1]

she is President of GMB consulting.

Yep...not a college president. Lucky for every college in the United States!

[KRAM1]

Hmmmmm...interesting juxtaposition in those quotes I have to admit...funny even my stalker troll can go back to 2013 to find that post. Oh, the brightness of lights...blink, blink. So, I guess I was being generous in 2013 or more harsh in 2015 after the results of her failed presidency really set in. So, who knows. Ha! But, let's be clear here...even for those who come Into the light from time to time, she was a disaster of a university president...no other university seems to have decided she would be a good fit, so now a consultant. Good for her. Probably a good spot for her as she is probably not supervising anyone else, responsible for any budgets and she can tell other people how they should do things even though she failed at doing those things when given the opportunity.

Look, my opinion...anyone who thought she was wonderful, well, good for them. She was an disaster while at UNT and screwed lots of stuff and lots of people big time. And, I might add...ignored the budget problems that continued during her watch. But, a change agent she was. And set the stage for Dr. Smatresk. So, give her that. Best thing Jackson ever did was to can her rear end after her little failed power play. I will forever be grateful for Chancellor Jackson in that regard.

[greenit]

I think we have all learned that punctuation saves lives. just ask grandma.

[Travis]

Hmmmmm...interesting juxtaposition in those quotes I have to admit...funny even my stalker troll can go back to 2013 to find that post. Oh, the brightness of lights...blink, blink. So, I guess I was being generous in 2013 or more harsh in 2015 after the results of her failed presidency really set in. So, who knows. Ha! But, let's be clear here...even for those who come Into the light from time to time, she was a disaster of a university president...no other university seems to have decided she would be a good fit, so now a consultant. Good for her. Probably a good spot for her as she is probably not supervising anyone else, responsible for any budgets and she can tell other people how they should do things even though she failed at doing those things when given the opportunity.

Look, my opinion...anyone who thought she was wonderful, well, good for them. She was an disaster while at UNT and screwed lots of stuff and lots of people big time. And, I might add...ignored the budget problems that continued during her watch. But, a change agent she was. And set the stage for Dr. Smatresk. So, give her that. Best thing Jackson ever did was to can her rear end after her little failed power play. I will forever be grateful for Chancellor Jackson in that regard.

She had some bad and good.

She did raise the academic standard and the tier of the university from an embarrassing 4 to a 2. She was great at working to destroy notions (correct or not) about our poor prestige.

The biggest complaint I received is that she was just simply rude to some and overly demanding- some would say simply mean.

[Harry]

Hmmmmm...interesting juxtaposition in those quotes I have to admit...funny even my stalker troll can go back to 2013 to find that post. Oh, the brightness of lights...blink, blink. So, I guess I was being generous in 2013 or more harsh in 2015 after the results of her failed presidency really set in. So, who knows. Ha! But, let's be clear here...even for those who come Into the light from time to time, she was a disaster of a university president...no other university seems to have decided she would be a good fit, so now a consultant. Good for her. Probably a good spot for her as she is probably not supervising anyone else, responsible for any budgets and she can tell other people how they should do things even though she failed at doing those things when given the opportunity.

Look, my opinion...anyone who thought she was wonderful, well, good for them. She was an disaster while at UNT and screwed lots of stuff and lots of people big time. And, I might add...ignored the budget problems that continued during her watch. But, a change agent she was. And set the stage for Dr. Smatresk. So, give her that. Best thing Jackson ever did was to can her rear end after her little failed power play. I will forever be grateful for Chancellor Jackson in that regard.

Rawlins stock has dropped in my book as well since the accounting issues were under his watch. Of course he did some good things here as well, such as getting us into C-USA.

[greenit]

Rawlins stock has dropped in my book as well since the accounting issues were under his watch. Of course he did some good things here as well, such as getting us into C-USA.

My stance is that this dirty little secret had been known for some time and that his decision to step down was helped along by knowledge that this was going to surface.