http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2015/02/thoughts-on-unts-future-nonc

[Ben Gooding]

Gotta disagree on that one. 2001-2004 didn't "move the needle" because, even though we won all of our conference games, we came into those conference games after getting our teeth kicked in on the road. Starting a year 0-4 and then finishing up 8-4 is useless if you've lost the casual fans during the first 4 games.

I agree with everything else you said though. I would have ZERO problem with an OOC schedule that looks like this:

Minnesota (or the like)- Away

Texas State- Home

ULL- Away

Nichols- Home

At least there is a very real possibility of being 4-0, 3-1 or at worst 2-2 going into our conference slate.

This is correct. Can't start seasons 1-3/0-4 and say "look at those "great" years and nothing happened." Well, my simple argument is outside of SBC they were bad years. I could even argue that North Texas run may have killed any credibility the SB had.

Bottom line is...CONSISTENTLY win more than you lose with a splash win thrown in on the rare occasion. GMG

[UNT90]

We have to beat someone that people care about beating.

Amazing how some people can't get it through their thick skulls that this is a much easier complishment when the game is played at Apogee, especially with our style of play and DMac's road record.

And you are wrong about P5s not playing at G5s.. There are numerous recently scheduled series that demonstrate this simply isn't true.

Edited February 20, 2015 by UNT90

[Ben Gooding]

I don't care who we play as long as we aren't being weened out of D1 and blindly escorted to FCS. All I care about is that we are competitive in CUSA and we take care of business vs OOC G5 opponents. If we do that the occasional upset of a P5 will follow suit regardless of where it's played. Be competitive in CUSA and beat SMwho and Army...no excuses.

GMG

Ps. I got season ticket info in the mail yesterday. I wish they would resend the same info mid-summer for the forgetters and procrastinators.

Edited February 20, 2015 by Ben Gooding

[UNT90]

I don't care who we play as long as we aren't being weened out of D1 and blindly escorted to FCS. All I care about is that we are competitive in CUSA and we take care of business vs OOC G5 opponents. If we do that the occasional upset of a P5 will follow suit regardless of where it's played. Be competitive in CUSA and beat SMwho and Army...no excuses.

GMG

Ps. I got season ticket info in the mail yesterday. I wish they would resend the same info mid-summer for the forgetters and procrastinators.

And we see the beginning of the slow metamorphosis from Ben Gooding to UNTLifer... Edited February 20, 2015 by UNT90

[Ben Gooding]

Not really man. I want to watch North Texas win. I don't want to watch North Texas just play. I keep things in perspective. I don't to play any P5's if we have to play them on the road. And tbh I dont want to bring any regional P5 into Apogee so we can get embarrassed on the scoreboard and in he stands. So, I like the FCS game and I really like the SMwho series and the Army series. I don't like playing the P5 on the road every year, obviously. To get a P5 locked in a 1n1 we would have to drop the money game for 2 years. It wouldn't have to be consecutive years, but 2 years. Which I would absolutely love, but given RV's track record that is simply not going to happen. Is it BS we gave to play money games every year? Sure, it is. We'll continue to play them until we start consistently taking care of business in conference play and vs G5 OOC opponents, consistently. Revenue will shift and it will give our new AD innovative ways to manipulate the schedule in our favor.

[Mean Green 93-98]

When you want to talk about brutal schedules, look who those non conf losses were to:

(P5 teams in red)

2001

TCU

@ #3 OU

@ Texas TEch

@ USF

2002

@ #3 UT

@ Alabama

@ TCU

@ Arizona

2003

@ #1 OU

(We Beat Baylor here at home)

@ Air Force

@ 14 Arkansas

2004

@ #7 UT

@ Colorado

@ Baylor

Non Conf 2001-2004

1-14

13 games on the road, 2 at home

12 games against P5, 3 against G5

5 games against AP ranked teams, 3 in the top 5

3 road games at P5 schools every year

Compared to Mac's first 4 years:

4-10

9 games on the road, 5 at home

7 games agianst P5, 7 against G5

4 games agaisnt AP ranked teams, 2 in the top 5

1.5 road games at P5 schools every year

South Florida was a far cry from a P5 when we played them. That was their first year as a moveup from 1AA (FCS), and getting blown out by them was a major embarrassment.

[UNTFan23]

South Florida was a far cry from a P5 when we played them. That was their first year as a moveup from 1AA (FCS), and getting blown out by them was a major embarrassment.

When did we get blown out by South Florida?

28-10 @USF in 2001 and 21-14 in Denton in 2002.I don't consider an 18-point loss a blowout but it also ain't a close either.

[UNT90]

18 points to a first year FCS = blowout.

[FirefightnRick]

18 points to a first year FCS = blowout.

All the while the great Jim Leavitt and his coaching staff were working from double wide trailers as offices at the time. Yet All the Dickster could muster into the microphone during a nationally televised game on ESPN against Idaho was how poor he had it and how our kids know their backs are against the wall here as soon as they sign on the dotted line.

Rick

[UNTFan23]

18 points to a first year FCS = blowout.

USF was a first year FBS independent in 2001.

[FirefightnRick]

USF was a first year FBS independent in 2001.

And getting beat by them by 18 points was still a blowout and effing embarrassing.

Rick

[Mean Green 93-98]

When did we get blown out by South Florida?

28-10 @USF in 2001 and 21-14 in Denton in 2002.I don't consider an 18-point loss a blowout but it also ain't a close either.

Huh. Okay. Most people would differ.

[Side Show Joe]

Magic bullets. They are hunting for magic bullets. Now the magic bullet seems to be to get P5 teams in Apogee, that will fix everything.

No on really wants to face the fact that the only way to build this program is to win consistently for years. Mainly because we have never done it at any level. But thems the facts.

You hit the nail on the head. We have to win more games. Mac is 0-2 vs. UTSA. It's hard to get more fans to the stadium when we can't even take down a start-up from San Antonio. I think that is a much bigger issue for our program right now.

[UNT90]

It's about doing things like a major college football program, not little ole UNT.

We don't. On many fronts. The teams we play at Apogee are just one of the areas where we fulfill others' expectations of ourselves.

Edited February 21, 2015 by UNT90

[flyonthewall]

It's about doing things like a major college football program, not little ole UNT.

We don't. On many fronts. The teams we play at Apogee are just one of the areas where we fulfill others' expectations of ourselves.

More comedy, well done.

[Army of Dad]

USF was a first year FBS independent in 2001.

He probably meant to type 'FBS', but missed it since he was posting while driving!

[Lydia Gooding]

It's about doing things like a major college football program, not little ole UNT.

We don't. On many fronts. The teams we play at Apogee are just one of the areas where we fulfill others' expectations of ourselves.

Yes and no 90. Everybody plays FCS'. The "big boys" even play one often as well. It is not going against the grain or being just "little ole UNT" by playing a FCS each year. I don't care if it gives us false-positive expectations. It gives the kids confidence and winning any game 77-3 puts a team on the map, even for a second take look at the score. It's a good system to start playing FCS opponents. What really hinders our scheduling is RV thinking that he has to put a road P5 team on the schedule to balance our budget and to avoid him having to put in committed work in to his AD job. That is the problem...the problem is not the Army/SMwho series or the FCS opponent. The problem is having to do body bag games or "opportunity games" every. single. year. It would be nice to see our Alums or us starting a "avoid body bag game every other year" fund. If it was created into an organized fundraiser such as the current one with the "invite 25" or whatever it is called it may work. That would give RV some flexibility to schedule a P5 game with a little more "opportunity." A game at home that we return. That is the way it is going to have to be done.

Oh and take a look 90...everyone is playing FCS.

http://www.footballgeography.com/history-of-fbs-i-a-vs-fcs-i-aa/

It may kind of slow up a little bit with the P5 wanting to play a higher level of competition throughout the season but its happening either way. In the event that P5 conferences start banning FCS opponents from their schedule then it will create some flexibility for the G5. They will have to schedule G5 more frequently, but now we'll have more room for negotiation. GMG

[UNT90]

Don't have a problem playing an FCS.

I have a problem being promised better OOC home games if we get a new stadium only to have an equal or worse OOC home slate.

I also have a problem with whorin our football team out year after freaking year to P5s while never even trying to get them to play at Apogee.

Like was promised when the stadium was proposed.

[GrandGreen]

Yes and no 90. Everybody plays FCS'. The "big boys" even play one often as well. It is not going against the grain or being just "little ole UNT" by playing a FCS each year. I don't care if it gives us false-positive expectations. It gives the kids confidence and winning any game 77-3 puts a team on the map, even for a second take look at the score. It's a good system to start playing FCS opponents. What really hinders our scheduling is RV thinking that he has to put a road P5 team on the schedule to balance our budget and to avoid him having to put in committed work in to his AD job. That is the problem...the problem is not the Army/SMwho series or the FCS opponent. The problem is having to do body bag games or "opportunity games" every. single. year. It would be nice to see our Alums or us starting a "avoid body bag game every other year" fund. If it was created into an organized fundraiser such as the current one with the "invite 25" or whatever it is called it may work. That would give RV some flexibility to schedule a P5 game with a little more "opportunity." A game at home that we return. That is the way it is going to have to be done.

Oh and take a look 90...everyone is playing FCS.

http://www.footballgeography.com/history-of-fbs-i-a-vs-fcs-i-aa/

It may kind of slow up a little bit with the P5 wanting to play a higher level of competition throughout the season but its happening either way. In the event that P5 conferences start banning FCS opponents from their schedule then it will create some flexibility for the G5. They will have to schedule G5 more frequently, but now we'll have more room for negotiation. GMG

I see nothing at all wrong playing one such game a year. Players want to play those games and it more than helps the budget, as NT probably makes as much money as the rest of their games combined.

I actually don't mind the 5 home games a year if it is because of a good home and away series. I rather do that watch a lower tier team ever year.

Of course, next year is entirely different; being they scheduled a fc division team just to get to 5 home games.

[buff64]

Abilene Christian and Incarnate were both members of the LSC and both played football. Incarnate started football the same yr. as UTSA , I think.

[DallasGreen]

For the next 20 years. Should have been a 4 year series. Same with SMU.

I mean, college football certainly won't change in the next 20 years, right? (Yes, 20 is hyperbole, but hopefully you get the point).

I just hope we didn't get screwed on the out options in those contracts.

In case you just weren't paying attention, neither Army or SMU are P5s.

The fact is other schools that are our peers do a MUCH better job in this area, and you know it.

We stand a chance against AAC, MAC, MT. WEST, Service Academies & SBC NO chancel against P5. I'm tired of being hyped over body bag games and whoring out our players. Boise , TCU , and others played some real dogs I.e. Samford in 2014. Build a winning record before you schedule TN. IA . If you have to whore out for $$$ look where your real problem i-----RAISE STUDENT FEE TO $20/ semester hour like your competition already does! Just got a bill for $3,150. as thanks for suffering through 4-8. Time for students to quit riding a gravy train for a $7. increase four years ago!

Students need to quit patting themselves on the back for a $7. increase and pay the going rate i.e. $20/ semester hour .

[DallasGreen]

Got Waco and Fort Worth city governments to partner with them?

BINGO DENTON HAS HAD 125 Years and done zero. Where has the biggest attendance been? How about Big D not little "d"?