'15 JUCO LB Demetrius Cain (Mississippi)

UNT90 · February 4, 2015

Interesting. I wonder what is up with that?

Travis · February 4, 2015

Hmmmm....

MEANGREENCOACH2 · February 4, 2015

im guessing once we get somebody to take the grayshirt then he will sign

greenit · February 4, 2015

As far as I know, we can sign up to 28 on signing day, but only 25 can actually receive financial aid come August.

I don't believe Fonzale would count last year since he did not enroll, which is why the added the back counting rule in order to address those types of situations.

97and03 · February 4, 2015

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MeanGreen13 · February 4, 2015

yeah... Fonzale signed his LOI but that was invalidated by him not being able to enroll. Jalen Adams actually did enroll but left after about a week. Maybe they are currently trying to verify that they can get Cain a spot for sure.

MEANGREENCOACH2 · February 4, 2015

this could be a reason for the broadcast being slow all hands on deck trying to get Cain...... one can only hope

BillySee58 · February 4, 2015

yeah... Fonzale signed his LOI but that was invalidated by him not being able to enroll. Jalen Adams actually did enroll but left after about a week. Maybe they are currently trying to verify that they can get Cain a spot for sure.

I think you're right, because the 25 only counts for players that actually enroll by the beginning of fall. So there is a chance Fonzale doesn't count.

MEANGREENCOACH2 · February 4, 2015

So did he sign or did he not?

eulessismore · February 5, 2015

Yes, you can backcount spots into the previous class with midterm enrollees, but we used all of last year's spots. Even though guys like Adams and Denucci left before ever playing, or Fonzale Davis never actually getting enrolled, to my knowledge you don't get those spots back if they sign. That's part of the risk. We used all of last year's spots, between the high school, JUCOs, FBS transfer, grayshirt, and walkons counting.
Also, Cain took down his tweet of committing to us.

To me, that's the most confusing part of this thread. There is some disagreement about this, and BillySee58 walked it back, but I'm still trying to figure out (1.) Does one who signs a LOI and doesn't enroll count against your 25, and (2.) if he doesn't, does that add to your next years 25, or allow you to use it for a walk on for the year the LOI was signed (since obviously it's hard finding guys you want who haven't signed by some point).

BillySee58 · February 5, 2015

To me, that's the most confusing part of this thread. There is some disagreement about this, and BillySee58 walked it back, but I'm still trying to figure out (1.) Does one who signs a LOI and doesn't enroll count against your 25, and (2.) if he doesn't, does that add to your next years 25, or allow you to use it for a walk on for the year the LOI was signed (since obviously it's hard finding guys you want who haven't signed by some point).

No, it was a mistake on my part. You get 25 scholarship enrollees by the beginning of the upcoming fall camp. I had learned that before, I just forgot.

emmitt01 · February 5, 2015

So did he sign or did he not?

No, I asked specifically about him and Mac said the class we signed is all the scholarships we had.

eulessismore · February 5, 2015

No, I asked specifically about him and Mac said the class we signed is all the scholarships we had.

Well, I guess that answers the basic question, but the whole thing seems a bit odd. It makes me wonder if he wasn't brought in on a visit to hedge against someone else getting flipped late. Otherwise, just bring someone in to visit just to...have them visit?

greenit · February 5, 2015

Well, I guess that is the chance you take by waiting to commit. Assuming he had a committable offer.

Saw what seemed to be disturbing tweet from him later in the day. Hope he finds something. Seems like a very good player.

eulessismore · February 5, 2015

Well, I guess that is the chance you take by waiting to commit. Assuming he had a committable offer.
Saw what seemed to be disturbing tweet from him later in the day. Hope he finds something. Seems like a very good player.

My theory: our coaches did not know that they would flip Young and get Murray back until after Cain left without a commitment. They knew they needed more at the DT position, especially after the news of Dutton giving up football, and they already knew they wanted Murray, so took them at the first opportunity, thus leaving us with no scholarship for Cain when he was ready to commit (today).

greenit · February 5, 2015

Based on other threads, it seems like there may have been the ability to add more than 25 this class by sliding one of the mid term enrollees to the 2014 class, but we did not do it. I wonder if 25 put us at the 85 limit, which would have made back counting a signee a moot point. I remember Coach Mac mentioning a while back that we would be at 85 for the first time since he got here after this class.

Edit: Forgot to think about any walk ons that were put on scholarship during Fall camp. If there were any then they would have counted toward the 2014 class and potentially put us at the 25 limit for 2014. Can't remember off hand.

Edited February 5, 2015 by greenit

untcampbell · February 5, 2015

I suspect we are working with him to find him a spot. His tweet today indicates he plans to join us. Indicates to me that we are talking with him about the best way to do that. By the time he can get here in the Fall, we will likely have a spot.

GMG

UNTLifer · February 5, 2015

I suspect we are working with him to find him a spot. His tweet today indicates he plans to join us. Indicates to me that we are talking with him about the best way to do that. By the time he can get here in the Fall, we will likely have a spot.

GMG

Hope you are correct.

GMG24 · February 5, 2015

Bet a QB leaves..

Harry · February 5, 2015

This really makes me sad. The kid is tweeting that he wants to be with us... I hope we will do everything in our power to allow him

to join us. Just a really nice kid and he really wants to be Mean Green.

eulessismore · February 5, 2015

I suspect we are working with him to find him a spot. His tweet today indicates he plans to join us. Indicates to me that we are talking with him about the best way to do that. By the time he can get here in the Fall, we will likely have a spot.

GMG

I sure hope that your suspicions turn out to be true. And it's hard to think there won't be a way to make it happen. Did anyone notice that during this recruiting cycle that we were operating much more like the big boys. Hey, it's not like we were sitting around unprepared when someone got flipped, or gave up on someone too early, the recruiting just continued. And I'm like Harry, hey I want him here; but I am still very happy that we got the late pickups that we did, especially Harrison, Young and Murray. My guess is, that if the coaches are working on some way to get him here, we won't hear any more about it until they have every detail ironed out.

Edited February 5, 2015 by eulessismore

Danish43 · February 5, 2015

Did he sign with anybody?

Withers940 · February 5, 2015

wish we could work something out to get this kid on this squad.

UNTLifer · February 5, 2015

Well, thank goodness we have two kickers and two punters on scholarship.

MeanGreenTexan · February 5, 2015

Well, thank goodness we have two kickers and two punters on scholarship.

Having 2 punters and 2 kickers on scholarship doesn't have anything to do with the 25 scholarship limit per class, and our class already being full... unless we signed a kicker or punter in this class, which we didn't.