Denia concerned about Sack n Save; Dead convention center idea

GreenMachine · January 28, 2015

New cookie cutters as opposed to post-WW2 cookie cutters? Suburb housing =suburb housing. Not like 1950 was the epitome of architectural uniqueness...

No doubt plus a large % of the current cookie cutter homes already there are run down looking POS.

LongJim · January 28, 2015

Not football related, however.....

The Albertson's building on Loop 288/Lillian Miller has been occupied for at least a year by a Goodwill store/drop off center.

The La Azteca is on I-35E next to the Outback Steakhouse and El Pariente has been closed for over a year.

Goodwill is in the old Luby's building, not the Albertson's. La Azteca is alive and well.

Aldo · January 28, 2015

The La Azteca is on I-35E next to the Outback Steakhouse and El Pariente has been closed for over a year.

Say wha? I was in El Pariente this past summer.

ColoradoEagle · January 28, 2015

They should open a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods in Denton. I like both of them.

Could always support Cupboard and their crazy prices.

oldguystudent · January 28, 2015

Could always support Cupboard and their crazy prices.

80% of their inventory is whacky pyramid crystal chakra nonsense priced for the gullible, but they really do have some great vegetables, some of the more exotic meats when I'm feeling in the mood, and a generally good beer selection. But yeah, most of their stuff is pyramid crystal chakra nonsense priced for the gullible.

I've mixed feelings on things like Spec's, Trader Joe's, and In-N-Out* opening in Denton. As much as I love all three of those things, I love that Denton has so much local business going for it that makes it unique, particularly on the square, from every other cookie cutter "historic downtown" in Texas.

*In-N-Out thrown in because I once heard rumors of one opening in that cavernous sprawl of emptiness on 35E and 288.

ColoradoEagle · January 28, 2015

I've mixed feelings on things like Spec's, Trader Joe's, and In-N-Out* opening in Denton. As much as I love all three of those things, I love that Denton has so much local business going for it that makes it unique, particularly on the square, from every other cookie cutter "historic downtown" in Texas.

*In-N-Out thrown in because I once heard rumors of one opening in that cavernous sprawl of emptiness on 35E and 288.

An In-N-Out is opening down here in Alliance area, and they've somehow perfected making the most hideous looking building in fast food. Outside of that, people are always let down when they realize that it's not even a half step above McDonald's.

Denton is pretty ripe for a Trader Joe's and a Spec's, though. Where do people even go for liquor? When I lived there, it was either the ghetto convenience store on McKinney St. or driving down to Hickory Creek.

oldguystudent · January 28, 2015

With Denton going wet this year, and the owner of Spec's being a UNT alum, I'd be shocked if one didn't come to town soon. In fact, now that I think of it, I retract my earlier grouping of Spec's with the other two entities.

greenjoe · January 28, 2015

Right you are. Goodwill in Luby's old space. I beg your pardon. J

LongJim · January 28, 2015

Right you are. Goodwill in Luby's old space. I beg your pardon. J

And I beg yours--you were referring to La Azteca's location, which was incorrect in an earlier post that you were responding to. and you're absolutely right--it is in fact on I-35 across from Outback.

Edited January 28, 2015 by LongJim

Aldo · January 28, 2015

Oh my bad, my brain works in mysterious ways. (just down the frontage road on the way to Teasley). Technically it's Sam Bass Blvd.

southsideguy · January 28, 2015

getting a new wal-farts neighborhood store on Teasley with a gas station.

Green P1 · January 28, 2015

New cookie cutters as opposed to post-WW2 cookie cutters? Suburb housing =suburb housing. Not like 1950 was the epitome of architectural uniqueness...

You should drive around Denia some day. Some of the most architecturally unique houses in Denton are tucked away in there.

Stix · January 28, 2015

You should drive around Denia some day. Some of the most architecturally unique houses in Denton are tucked away in there.

Some of them can't be seen because the properties are so overgrown.

Green P1 · January 28, 2015

Some of them can't be seen because the properties are so overgrown.

Some residents have a distinct taste for bamboo, I'll grant you that.

UNTFan23 · January 29, 2015

Some residents have a distinct taste for bamboo, I'll grant you that.

Anyone that plants that crap deserves to burn in Hades. You can't kill that stuff.

All About UNT · January 29, 2015

How does a convention center improve residential property values?

"Sanders makes a strong case for what he believes to be the real goals behind convention-center development. Sometimes it's to increase area property values. Boston is an example of a new convention center being used to help jump-start a developing neighborhood. In other cases, the facility is seen as an anchor to insure against downtown erosion or, in cities like St. Louis, part of an effort to reverse neighborhood erosion."

http://www.governing.com/blogs/bfc/col-convention-center-promised-benefits-rarely-materialize.html

If P1 and other experts that reside in Denia had their way........ we would never have built the athletic complex and there would be an abandoned hotel and overgrown golf course in place of what is one of the prettiest locations in Denton. We want Sack N Save........but not a beautiful conference center to be the face of Denton and what people see when they drive through. Makes so much sense. They were more concerned with a coyote than improving access to the neighborhood or UNT's desire to build a new stadium. Remember those diehards that moved out of the neighborhood before 2011 when we opened the stadium because they were convinced nobody would appreciate the neighborhood anymore or desire to live there? Well go look at Zillow estimates (not the best authority given) for the houses that border the Athletic Complex.......... in early-mid 2012 the values in the neighborhood went up roughly 30%. Don't counter with it's because the economy rebounded cause the values were stagnant well before the recession. Go drive down Lindsey St. and tell me that half the houses shouldn't be condemned. I'm in the market in Dallas and really want a Craftsman style home (original) so you can't label me as someone that would argue the greatness of DR Horton homes.

Green P1 · January 29, 2015

"Sanders makes a strong case for what he believes to be the real goals behind convention-center development. Sometimes it's to increase area property values. Boston is an example of a new convention center being used to help jump-start a developing neighborhood. In other cases, the facility is seen as an anchor to insure against downtown erosion or, in cities like St. Louis, part of an effort to reverse neighborhood erosion."

http://www.governing.com/blogs/bfc/col-convention-center-promised-benefits-rarely-materialize.html

If P1 and other experts that reside in Denia had their way........ we would never have built the athletic complex and there would be an abandoned hotel and overgrown golf course in place of what is one of the prettiest locations in Denton. We want Sack N Save........but not a beautiful conference center to be the face of Denton and what people see when they drive through. Makes so much sense. They were more concerned with a coyote than improving access to the neighborhood or UNT's desire to build a new stadium. Remember those diehards that moved out of the neighborhood before 2011 when we opened the stadium because they were convinced nobody would appreciate the neighborhood anymore or desire to live there? Well go look at Zillow estimates (not the best authority given) for the houses that border the Athletic Complex.......... in early-mid 2012 the values in the neighborhood went up roughly 30%. Don't counter with it's because the economy rebounded cause the values were stagnant well before the recession. Go drive down Lindsey St. and tell me that half the houses shouldn't be condemned. I'm in the market in Dallas and really want a Craftsman style home (original) so you can't label me as someone that would argue the greatness of DR Horton homes.

Good God man....I was all ready to make a serious response to your post............ Then I read the article you linked to. Not a chance you read anything other than what you quoted... right? I mean good God... I won't pull any quotes from the rest of article because maybe you'd just rather delete that and try again?

Edit: I know I said I wouldn't quote your article... but after re-reading... this is it's closing statement/paragraph... I mean good God.

"But taxpayers deserve an honest debate about whether building or expanding a convention center is an effective way to achieve them. And the debate should be informed by realistic economic-impact projections. What we don't need is a continuation of the charade in which elected officials, local business leaders and convention consultants tout benefits that at least some of them know will never materialize."

Edited January 29, 2015 by Green P1

All About UNT · January 29, 2015

Good God man....I was all ready to make a serious response to your post............ Then I read the article you linked to. Not a chance you read anything other than what you quoted... right? I mean good God... I won't pull any quotes from the rest of article because maybe you'd just rather delete that and try again?

Edit: I know I said I wouldn't quote your article... but after re-reading... this is it's closing statement/paragraph... I mean good God.

"But taxpayers deserve an honest debate about whether building or expanding a convention center is an effective way to achieve them. And the debate should be informed by realistic economic-impact projections. What we don't need is a continuation of the charade in which elected officials, local business leaders and convention consultants tout benefits that at least some of them know will never materialize."

Those are the words of the writer of the article and not the man quoted. Both are men who are considered to be experts in public policy and while arguing the merits of a convention center can continue to drag out.... I would prefer to focus on the portion where it clearly states that some cities have placed a convention center into an area that could use a boost in both appeal and value. Denia is EXACTLY that type of place. Let me ask you though........do you rent or own said Denia residence?

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 29, 2015

I wish more UNT fans lived in Denia, they could really embrace the game-day experience like most neighborhoods surrounded by college campuses. Would be nice if they embraced the development instead of fighting it.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 29, 2015

I've mixed feelings on things like Spec's, Trader Joe's, and In-N-Out* opening in Denton. As much as I love all three of those things, I love that Denton has so much local business going for it that makes it unique, particularly on the square, from every other cookie cutter "historic downtown" in Texas.

*In-N-Out thrown in because I once heard rumors of one opening in that cavernous sprawl of emptiness on 35E and 288.

Lets face it though, outside of the square, Denton really is pretty typical. The Rayznor Ranch development is about as generic as it gets...

cwb · January 29, 2015

I can't be convinced that the athletic complex raised property values anymore than I would be convinced that, if values dropped, it would have been the cause.

The Boston boost in development? Where would development happen? Locked in by the I 35s and AC. Are they to raze Denia and develop there?

One of the prettiest areas of Denton? Agree. Why would you want to pile a bunch of bricks and concrete on top of it?

And, by the way, some homeowners that have lived there a 10 to 20 years and aren't looking to sell might not want to see higher values. Because you know what goes up when that happens.

Edited January 29, 2015 by cwb

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 29, 2015

Denton is a typical college town, yeah. Not really typical when compared to other Texas places. I didn't realize that having two streets in the entire city of strip malls made Denton like Frisco. Learn something new every day.

I've been all over the east coast and I've really only seen two cities like Denton.

The east coast? Dude.I love Denton, but you have the square, fry street, and some cool houses off of oak and hickory and that's about the extent of "not being like the rest of Texas". There's strip malls, chilli's, applebees, car dealerships, just like any other Texas town. Go a little ways from campus and you'll find tons of residential areas that look exactly the same as Frisco.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 29, 2015

The actual center of Denton, from TWU to the train to Morrison's Corn Kits, to UNT, to 35 and to University are completely different than most other towns in Texas. Just because the outskirts of Denton look like every other city doesn't change the fact that Denton has a city center, an actual downtown scene, unlike pretty much every small town in metro areas of Texas. It's a lot like Athens, Georgia.

Sure, I'll grant you that, it does have two college campuses and a square city center that makes it unique. But like I said it's not just some oasis escape from the urban sprawl of DFW. It still sits on a major interstate and has all the things that come with that, a generic mall, and tons of "cookie-cutter" housing.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 29, 2015

Most of the apartments are the same exact apartments in other college towns in Texas as well.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 29, 2015

You'd be hard pressed to find Little Elm style master planned tract home developments in Denton. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but showing that even the real estate market here is completely different than the rest of DFW.

Denia only exists in a place like Denton (as far as small Texas towns in metro areas.) For better or worse.

Yes... very unique... http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/pmf,pf_pt/27281951_zpid/days_sort/33.266214,-97.063994,33.200236,-97.175574_rect/13_zm/?view=map

Do a search on zillow, most of the places people actually live in Denton are master planned tract home developments. Denton is more than a 2 miles radius around campus...