Changed the team's culture ?!?!

UNTcrazy727 · December 2, 2014

There are way too many examples here within the last 15 years to argue against this. Todd Dodge made half of the salary that Dan McCarney makes, had posted all of 5 wins against 31 losses, including a wonderful 2-10 year in 2009 that matched his best record as a head coach here, , and only got fired when he won 1 game out of the first 7 he coached in the 4th year of his 5-year contract. The only way I could see the scenario playing out like you suggest is if in 2016, we won less than 2 games. With SMU, Army, a bought FCS game, and 8 games against CUSA competition in 2016, its hard for me to see us winning 1 game or less. The precedent has been set here, as far back as when RV tried to fire Darrell Dickey after losing to ULM to start off 0-5 in 2001, which was the 4th year of his contract, but the BOR told him unequivocally that Dickey would finish the year, one that miraculously turned around from 0-5 to 5-7 and a NO BOwl appearance that got him a small extension. Vic Trilli got rewarded for three years of the worst basketball I have ever seen by being give a 4th year of his 5 year contract--which he took advantage of by going 4-24.

It costs money to buyout a contract...that is all that matters.

If what I suggest happens and Mac's records through 6 years are 5-7, 4-8, 9-4, 4-8, 3-9? and 4-8? and he isn't fired then we need to shut down our program because that would prove we aren't serious about football.

untjim1995 · December 2, 2014

If what I suggest happens and Mac's records through 6 years are 5-7, 4-8, 9-4, 4-8, 3-9? and 4-8? and he isn't fired then we need to shut down our program because that would prove we aren't serious about football.

Be careful for what you ask for...we have done plenty in the last 20 years to prove we aren't serious about winning football.

Before Mac got us to a bowl game last year with a 9-4 record, we went 2-9, 3-9, 2-10, 1-11, 2-10, 3-9, 5-7, and 4-8 in the previous 8 seasons. If you take out the 2002-2004 SBC championship teams that finished with 8-5, 9-4, and 7-6 records, the previous 7 seasons to that, when we made it back up to FBS in 1995, include these records 2-9, 5-6, 4-7, 3-8, 2-9, 3-9, 5-7.

Previous to that was a 12 year drop down to 1-aa, which apparently is the only reason we didn't UAB our program back in 1982.

SilverEagle · December 2, 2014

Only one thing changes fan culture...WINNING! Which has been a VERY RARE commodity around here for the past 10 years.

Your talking about fence-setting t-shirt-type fans, who may or may not have ever attended NT. The culture of the alumni/student fans has to be changed at an administrative level.....all the way up to the BOR.

LongJim · December 2, 2014

Would you be happy with maybe 7-9 wins every year, a mid-tier bowl, but few (if any) conference championships?

untjim1995 · December 2, 2014

Would you be happy with maybe 7-9 wins every year, a mid-tier bowl, but few (if any) conference championships?

Compared to what I listed above for the last 20 years, that sounds damn near nirvana...yes, I'd take it right now.

untbowler · December 2, 2014

Be careful for what you ask for...we have done plenty in the last 20 years to prove we aren't serious about winning football.

Before Mac got us to a bowl game last year with a 9-4 record, we went 2-9, 3-9, 2-10, 1-11, 2-10, 3-9, 5-7, and 4-8 in the previous 8 seasons. If you take out the 2002-2004 SBC championship teams that finished with 8-5, 9-4, and 7-6 records, the previous 7 seasons to that, when we made it back up to FBS in 1995, include these records 2-9, 5-6, 4-7, 3-8, 2-9, 3-9, 5-7.

Previous to that was a 12 year drop down to 1-aa, which apparently is the only reason we didn't UAB our program back in 1982.

The thing is those coaches made 3-4x less than Mac. Had underpaid assistant coaches, had the old Fouts Field, had a low athletic fee. DMac has all of these now, so he has no room to complain.