60,416.67

meangreenbob · November 17, 2014

That's how much Mac makes PER MONTH!! Guaranteed! WIN or LOSE! How many of us make that much in one year?

Mac was wrong for UNT when he was sitting on his couch in Florida, he is wrong for UNT today and he will be wrong for UNT tomorrow and I honestly believe Mac knows that.

Don't be deceived. Having to change the culture, it's going to take time, the cupboard was bare, years of losing, North Texas is a tough place to recruit to are all diversions as well as excuses designed to keep you at bay while the cash cow provides a handsome living for those fortunate enough to be under one-sided contracts without consequences or accountabilty for failure.

And I might add that one of the individuals responsible for bringing Mac here and then foolishly giving Mac a hugh pay raise and contract extension makes about $30,000 per month!! WOW! Fifteen years is long enough!!

Again, don't be deceived. This should be Mac's break out season, period!! Four years on the job is more than enough time to prove yourself.

We been had.

This is my opinion only and is not shared by family members.

Edited November 17, 2014 by meangreenbob

Censored by Laurie · November 17, 2014

this is gonna be fun.

oldguystudent · November 17, 2014

This guy. Always such a bowl of sunshine and unicorns.

Harry · November 17, 2014

Were you in a hole last year when he won a bowl game in front of our largest crowd? How wrong was it then? Get real man Mac ain't going anywhere and he shouldn't be.

VideoEagle · November 17, 2014

I'm sorry you need a new job.

CaribbeanGreen · November 17, 2014

Wasn't the world supposed to end a while back? Whatever happened to that?

ChristopherRyanWilkes · November 17, 2014

Stupid argument. We as college football fans are the reason he makes that in the first place. Plus, that is relatively cheap for the current college football landscape.

Quoner · November 17, 2014

Bob, I would hire you for $60,500. Are you willing to relocate?

Ben Gooding · November 17, 2014

I happen to agree with Bob. Mac took other recruits that he did not recruit and won with ugly football. He has his own recruits that he brought in here and shizam, look at where we are. The only reason Mac is not on the hot seat is bc of a boneheaded financial decision by our AD and desperation that was put at bay last year with what was a for sure flash in the pan.

When is enough? 4/5 years of losing? 5/6? 6/7? This guy is old school and CFB is not an old school game anymore.

For what it's worth a former player came into where I work last week and I probed him with questions and most would be surprised with what he had to say. But let's just say most of these players on this roster "don't want to be there." "75-80% at least." Take that for what it's worth. We are spiraling down the drain and our incompetent AD is enabling it to happen.

meangreenbob · November 17, 2014

Were you in a hole last year when he won a bowl game in front of our largest crowd? How wrong was it then? Get real man Mac ain't going anywhere and he shouldn't be.

Not at all, I'm just not as gullible.

GOMG2013 · November 17, 2014

Mac is a UNT HOF coach.

untjim1995 · November 17, 2014

I happen to agree with Bob. Mac took other recruits that he did not recruit and won with ugly football. He has his own recruits that he brought in here and shizam, look at where we are. The only reason Mac is not on the hot seat is bc of a boneheaded financial decision by our AD and desperation that was put at bay last year with what was a for sure flash in the pan.
When is enough? 4/5 years of losing? 5/6? 6/7? This guy is old school and CFB is not an old school game anymore.
For what it's worth a former player came into where I work last week and I probed him with questions and most would be surprised with what he had to say. But let's just say most of these players on this roster "don't want to be there." "75-80% at least." Take that for what it's worth. We are spiraling down the drain and our incompetent AD is enabling it to happen.

This should really help you to feel better, Bob. You have someone on this site that agrees with you!!

Also, nice use of the class warfare arguemnt by throwing out their monthly figures and comparing to those of us that don't make that kinda money, even though are desk jobs are CLEARLY more valuable than a football coach and athletic director!!

BY any chance, did you use to go by the username, UNT_Playmaker?

oldguystudent · November 17, 2014

I've always considered myself somewhat socially inept. I certainly have received such feedback in a work environment on many occasions. Then I start reading the inner thoughts of others via the veil of internet anonymity, and I realize that I'm not that batshit insane after all. I'm merely less skilled at filtering my thoughts in real world discourse, and that disturbs the social facade. There is so much anger and hatred in this world. And over what? 22 young men chasing an inflated pig bladder around a synthetic pasture. I fear to consider the reactions when somebody in the real world ruh-heally dicks a person over.

meangreenbob · November 17, 2014

This should really help you to feel better, Bob. You have someone on this site that agrees with you!!

Also, nice use of the class warfare arguemnt by throwing out their monthly figures and comparing to those of us that don't make that kinda money, even though are desk jobs are CLEARLY more valuable than a football coach and athletic director!!

BY any chance, did you use to go by the username, UNT_Playmaker?

I am not trying to win a popularity contest. Its sad so many others simply can not recogize or refuse to accept the facts and that only allows for us to continue down this path of mediocrity. In fact, all it does is strenghen it.

If I'm seen as the bad guy then so be it. I care more about UNT and its Athletics than what others think of me. Like I said before, after 44 years one has heard all the coach speak there is to hear. Actions speak louder than words and 3-7 in year four says a lot.

Edited November 17, 2014 by meangreenbob

UNTcrazy727 · November 17, 2014

Were you in a hole last year when he won a bowl game in front of our largest crowd? How wrong was it then? Get real man Mac ain't going anywhere and he shouldn't be.

What if we go 3-9 or 4-8 again next year? Would you still be supporting a coach that has a record of about 26-35 over 5 years? I'll admit, I wasn't up in arms over Mac's extension, but it's looking like a horrible decision right now. I'm usually a RV supporter, but if the team were to tank again next year he and Mac should be shown the door. That would make three straight bad hires in football and men's basketball. That's get you fired as a D1 athletic director, but since they were both given extensions I doubt anything happens next year, regardless of the team's record.

But who knows, President Smatresk might show he's serious about athletics thriving at UNT and raise the money to bring in an AD of his choice. That said, I like RV and Mac and I hope we turn it around.

untjim1995 · November 17, 2014

I don't think you are being looked at as a bad guy at all.

If you have followed UNT Athletics for 44 years--you are a masochist.

If you think anything is ever gonna change in the way we view winning at athletics versus funding athletics, you're not using your full capacity of your brain.

You should go ahead and accept this truth: Dan McCarney will still be coaching here in 2014, 2015, and 2016, for sure, with the 90% chance he will still be here in 2017, which will probably lead to him retiring in 2018, the last year of his contract.

meangreenbob · November 17, 2014

For the record. I have no animostiy towards the AD or the HC. I know we can do better and I believe we deserve better. I am tired of hearing the excuses used to manipulate the fans into accepting failure.

That's all I'll say, for now.

Withers940 · November 17, 2014

For the record. I have no animostiy towards the AD or the HC. I know we can do better and I believe we deserve better. I am tired of hearing the excuses used to manipulate the fans into accepting failure.
That's all I'll say, for now.

You know we can do better? I dont see many coaches knocking our doors down to coach here. Who is better that we could get to come here?

Ben Gooding · November 17, 2014

You know we can do better? I dont see many coaches knocking our doors down to coach here. Who is better that we could get to come here?

Better? Every "better" coach had to start somewhere. The only thing Mac offers is longevity, bc of his age and of his premature extension. I would say there is someone who could go 4-8, 5-7, 9-4 and most likely 3-9. A probable record of 21-28. At the very least a new hire following next season (if a 5-7 or worse happens again) it will put a spark into the program. There are innovative assistants all over the country chomping at the bit for their opportunity.

Another close similarity of Florida...

Muschamp will probably end his time at Florida with a record of 28-21. Mac will continue at UNT with a new extension at a probable 21-28. Muschamp will have led Florida to 3 bowls in 4 years whereas Mac led us to 1 in 4 years. The difference: expectations and standards. And yes, I understand we are G5 but we can still have bowl and CUSA division crown expectations. In revenue both programs sit at the top of their conferences. So, that argument is invalid and is a really old and bad excuse. I would patiently wait if there was future hope, but the cupboard is looking quite bare and the direction of the program isn't hopeful.

People, wake up and pay attention.

untjim1995 · November 17, 2014

Better? Every "better" coach had to start somewhere. The only thing Mac offers is longevity, bc of his age and of his premature extension. I would say there is someone who could go 4-8, 5-7, 9-4 and most likely 3-9. A probable record of 21-28. At the very least a new hire following next season (if a 5-7 or worse happens again) it will put a spark into the program. There are innovative assistants all over the country chomping at the bit for their opportunity.
Another close similarity of Florida...
Muschamp will probably end his time at Florida with a record of 28-21. Mac will continue at UNT with a new extension at a probable 21-28. Muschamp will have led Florida to 3 bowls in 4 years whereas Mac led us to 1 in 4 years. The difference: expectations and standards. And yes, I understand we are G5 but we can still have bowl and CUSA division crown expectations. In revenue both programs sit at the top of their conferences. So, that argument is invalid and is a really old and bad excuse. I would patiently wait if there was future hope, but the cupboard is looking quite bare and the direction of the program isn't hopeful.
People, wake up and pay attention.

You are young and you think that there are a lot of people out there who really are passionate about Mean Green sports at the university and in Denton, so you are asking them to wake up and pay attention, since we are losing--again...

The people at UNT, the alumni, and the local citizenry are wide awake and paying full attention--they don't give a rat's ass about sports at UNT. Yeah, there are about 10k in diehard fans that now show up at Apogee no matter what and bring someone with them. If those people don't get bodies to go with them, attendance at games in Denton is usually now between 10000-15000. If they do get people to come, then its around 20k or higher. But the biggest problem is that university's entire history is to look down on athletics as some from of enterntainment for the less refined (dare I say, cultured) fans who they can still dupe into giving the school money for a product that they would prefer to fund as minimally as possible, without stirring "Bubba" up about his football team being dropped. (BTW, I had a govt prof at UNT who said this exact same thing to our class back in 1994.)

Expecting UNT's policy to change toward athletics is like believing the US will balance its budget--it could happen, but its not very likely. So you'll do one of two things toward UNT Athletics--you'll either learn to follow them no matter what because they are your school (basically your gmg.com posters), knowing that they won't ever reach their full potential because of cost, or you'll quit and follow another P5 giant or two and adopt them as your quasi-team(s) or just become a pro-sports only fan. When you look at the ratio of UNT students and alumni that fit each of those categories, you'll fully realize just how fruitless it is for you to come on to this website and tell the posters to "Wake up and pay attention!!". They are the only ones who care anyway.

You'd be a lot better off going into the student union and posting a billboard at a table where you sit and have it say "Wake up and pay attention to UNT sports--after all, you pay for it just as you would at every other school in America!!" That would give you great insight into what you the students of the day at our fair school really think about athletics versus the areas the school does really like (music, arts, and educating teachers).

Ben Gooding · November 17, 2014

My patents attended University of Florida so I am a raised Gator but a chosen Eagle, so I do follow another program. A program that is similar to UNT's current situation. I have high expectations I guess.

untjim1995 · November 17, 2014

My patents attended University of Florida so I am a raised Gator but a chosen Eagle, so I do follow another program. A program that is similar to UNT's current situation. I have high expectations I guess.

You'll learn...I thought those same things in the 90s and the early 00's. Here we are, in the heart of Texas, with just two little ol SWC private schools to compete with--we are about to become huge now the school has decided to move up to I-A!!

Then, we kept scheduling Murderers Row every year in OOC for football, so no coach could win here. And we got laughed at as we talked about gaining admittance into a conference with anyone that DFW citizens care about. And the school paid bare bones to any coaching staff, even going as far as to hire a majotiy of high school coaches to be a staff since it was cheap.. And refused to buy out a contract when it has been abundantly clear for years that the guy cannot win here.

I've been on your path before--young, optimistic, nothing but life ahead of you...then you turn the corner and UNT reality hits you right in the face. You realize all the taunts you got for being a UNT sports fan from all of the Longhorn fans, Aggie fans, Tech fans, OU fans, etc...(all of whom went to UNT, by the way) were the easiest words ever spoken by a college sports fan. You realize that you've basically walked around with a "Kick Me, I'm a Mean green Fan and very naive!!" sign on your ass and it has caused a lot of hurt over the years and decades. Then, one day, you won't know when it will happen, you'll realize that expecting a legitimate winner here, even at the G5 level of play, might be a bet you aren't willing to take. You'll watch the games and look for some opportunity to talk college football with your buddies at work or at church, but only when you aren't completely demoralized--so basically, you've enjoyed 2002-2004 and 2013 since we went up to I-A in 1995. Otherwise, you start getting used to comments like "You guys even care about football?", "You all should just go back to playing D-2 or whatever level SFA is at..."or my personal favorite, "Man, if you guys played us in jazz or in sculpting, you'd kick our ass..."

That's when your expectations won't be quite so high...

TIgreen01 · November 17, 2014

You'll learn...I thought those same things in the 90s and the early 00's. Here we are, in the heart of Texas, with just two little ol SWC private schools to compete with--we are about to become huge now the school has decided to move up to I-A!!

Then, we kept scheduling Murderers Row every year in OOC for football, so no coach could win here. And we got laughed at as we talked about gaining admittance into a conference with anyone that DFW citizens care about. And the school paid bare bones to any coaching staff, even going as far as to hire a majotiy of high school coaches to be a staff since it was cheap.. And refused to buy out a contract when it has been abundantly clear for years that the guy cannot win here.

I've been on your path before--young, optimistic, nothing but life ahead of you...then you turn the corner and UNT reality hits you right in the face. You realize all the taunts you got for being a UNT sports fan from all of the Longhorn fans, Aggie fans, Tech fans, OU fans, etc...(all of whom went to UNT, by the way) were the easiest words ever spoken by a college sports fan. You realize that you've basically walked around with a "Kick Me, I'm a Mean green Fan and very naive!!" sign on your ass and it has caused a lot of hurt over the years and decades. Then, one day, you won't know when it will happen, you'll realize that expecting a legitimate winner here, even at the G5 level of play, might be a bet you aren't willing to take. You'll watch the games and look for some opportunity to talk college football with your buddies at work or at church, but only when you aren't completely demoralized--so basically, you've enjoyed 2002-2004 and 2013 since we went up to I-A in 1995. Otherwise, you start getting used to comments like "You guys even care about football?", "You all should just go back to playing D-2 or whatever level SFA is at..."or my personal favorite, "Man, if you guys played us in jazz or in sculpting, you'd kick our ass..."

That's when your expectations won't be quite so high...

This is pretty much dead-on. Sad as it may be. The one difference, is that at least in the late 90s and early aughts, it at least felt like we had a chance if a reshuffling came along and we were winning when it did (back when Boise, TCU, Hawaii, Utah, etc were rising up from nothing)....but that was also when our administration was killing us by not funding the program adequately. Now that we are (we are at least competitive now with the top 25% of G5 schools), the reshuffling has been done and TV has allowed the P5 to separate to a ridiculous degree. All the fun has been taken out hoping that we would some day make it to the big time, and we're left with more realistic goals. Now support comes down to the things you said---this is my school and is my opportunity to come back to Denton, visit old friends and hangouts, and watch college football--win or lose.

keith · November 17, 2014

#hit6

Mean Green 93-98 · November 18, 2014

I don't agree with a single post in this thread (except maybe offering Bob a job). Coach Mac hasn't done enough to deserve guaranteed job security for the next 4 years. But I don't think he deserves to be canned after this season, either. Everybody (especially RV and the BOR) ought to be watching next season very closely.