We need to sign 2 QBs this class

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

Mcnulty averaging 18-34 for 236.5 yards and 1 to 1 td:int ratio over two conference starts. So again, Mcnulty is proving what this team would look like with DT.

2 starts.

You are smarter than that.

There is now recent film on him. There will be a lot of 2nd half Rice games in our future.

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

Last season we created 34 turnovers. This season we have 14 with more than half coming in 2 games.

Correct, so we played much more conservatively on offense.

I would have loved to have seen what DT could have done last year with the opportunities afford Mini Mac and DW this year (that's what happens when you are consistently playing from behind instead if consistently playing with a lead).

Edited October 26, 2014 by UNT90

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

But that's the thing that emmitt is trying to say... Our super shitty qb play this year has no bearing or shouldn't elevate last year's average qb play any more. Last year was what it was for last year. No missing him. No wishing we had that play now... because there are some of us who think it reasonable for us to find a qb from this great state that can be better than average since we see it from other like schools often.

So you at least back handedly admit QB play was better last year. That's a start. Some on here will never, ever even get to that point.

SilverEagle · October 26, 2014

It wasn't the quarterbacks. The blocking sucked. The receivers can't get separation. The running is pedestrian. Worse yet was the play-calling. It's time to get new players alright but not just quarterbacks.

Folks, when a gentleman like GrayEagle uses terms like this you better pay attention. Because I observed the same thing....but nobody ever listens to me. :rolleyes:

The two guys covering the game on TV got it right when they said that we went into half-time having lost momentum when we couldn't score right before half. You can blame the QB for that but McNulty isn't the one that let that Rice defense sack him without much effort at all. On the first sack, Kirby (#50) didn't even try to touch #96. He looked slow and confused. And that wasn't the only play where #96 went through untouched. And then we have Johnson (#71, whom some people talked about having a pro career) desperately reaching out and grabbing face masks and looking rather pitiful. And our O-line made #1 look like an all-pro defensive tackle. And BTW, Rice found this guy in Canada off all places.

McNulty DID throw a pick six. But McNulty didn't let #15 get behind him on the first play of the game. McNulty didn't fumble the opening kick off of the second half. McNulty didn't drop important passes like #11 right before the half. And McNulty didn't get blown wide open for Rice to make crucial running plays toward the end of the game.

Edited October 26, 2014 by SilverEagle

H-towngreen · October 26, 2014

QB was better last season. No doubt. But that would be down the list of things that have caused the downturn

SilverEagle · October 26, 2014

I have no confidence in this staff's ability to recruit a very good impact Juco or high school quarterback. Our best bet is to land a very NICE transfer from a high major (who was relegated to 2nd or 3rd string for whatever reason). Mac's job should be officially on the line with a repeat of 2014 in 2015.

This!

Except that we've already gone down the "high major school" road. Remember that Bergland started out at Kansas. When I observed Greer in spring practices, I scratched my head and thought "why did they chase after this guy"?

BillySee58 · October 26, 2014

2 starts.
You are smarter than that.
There is now recent film on him. There will be a lot of 2nd half Rice games in our future.

I know the sample size isn't big. That's not the point. I'm not trying to say Mcnulty is going to surpass DT.

The point is Mcnulty gave us two games of your average DT play. Not DT's best or worse game, but what his most common conference performances were like. And we still lost to one of the worst teams in conference at home and got blown out on the road.

If Mcnulty plays the rest of the year like he did the last two games (very DT like) then most on here agree that we're looking at two wins more at the most. Maybe no more wins. The chance that Mcnulty gets worse because of film on him is completely irrelevant to this argument. He's doing okay, and almost exactly as okay as DT did, but it's just not enough this year because of other problems.

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

I know the sample size isn't big. That's not the point. I'm not trying to say Mcnulty is going to surpass DT.
The point is Mcnulty gave us two games of your average DT play. Not DT's best or worse game, but what his most common conference performances were like. And we still lost to one of the worst teams in conference at home and got blown out on the road.
If Mcnulty plays the rest of the year like he did the last two games (very DT like) then most on here agree that we're looking at two wins more at the most. Maybe no more wins. The chance that Mcnulty gets worse because of film on him is completely irrelevant to this argument. He's doing okay, and almost exactly as okay as DT did, but it's just not enough this year because of other problems.

Except McNulty is given the chance to throw the ball more.

Except that just about every time DT was given that chance last year, he produced game MVP efforts (UNLV, Ball St., and at least one or 2 others).

170 yards passing when you are nursing a 14 point lead is a lot different than 170 yards passing when you lose by 20.

Harry · October 26, 2014

Except McNulty is given the chance to throw the ball more.
Except that just about every time DT was given that chance last year, he produced game MVP efforts (UNLV, Ball St., and at least one or 2 others).
170 yards passing when you are nursing a 14 point lead is a lot different than 170 yards passing when you lose by 20.

Hey news flash, DT is gone brother. he graduated...he's a coach now. Why do we continue to bring him up in these convos is beyond me.

We need to start discussing what we have at QB not who we had. UTSA is bemoaning the loss of Soza this year as well.

The fact is DT should no longer be in these discussions in regards to the FUTURE of the program. The I Told you so" point regards to DT has been made enough.

So we have 3 QB's and we should not burn Means' redshirt. Which of the 3 would you play and why?

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

Hey news flash, DT is gone brother. he graduated...he's a coach now. Why do we continue to bring him up in these convos is beyond me.
We need to start discussing what we have at QB not who we had. UTSA is bemoaning the loss of Soza this year as well.
The fact is DT should no longer be in these discussions in regards to the FUTURE of the program. The I Told you so" point regards to DT has been made enough.
So we have 3 QB's and we should not burn Means' redshirt. Which of the 3 would you play and why?

You play DW, unless his work ethic is so poor that it would be a bad example to other players to allow him on the field.

If he is doing what he is supposed to be doing, you play him. If he isn't, you don't.

He hasn't played.

And don't rob me of my trolling fun.

Edited October 26, 2014 by UNT90

greenminer · October 26, 2014

Except McNulty is given the chance to throw the ball more.
Except that just about every time DT was given that chance last year, he produced game MVP efforts (UNLV, Ball St., and at least one or 2 others).
170 yards passing when you are nursing a 14 point lead is a lot different than 170 yards passing when you lose by 20.

Glorify 2013 DT all you want, he would not win games for us in 2014. Not sure what you want to hear. What's that cliche about insanity?

Time to move on.

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

Glorify 2013 DT all you want, he would not win games for us in 2014. Not sure what you want to hear. What's that cliche about insanity?
Time to move on.

Rice and UAB would have been MUCH different games.

I'm sure Craphole also doesn't miss their 4 year starter, right?

Delusional.

Edited October 26, 2014 by UNT90

FirefightnRick · October 26, 2014

Rice and UAB would have been MUCH different games.
Delusional.

And look who a majority of this year's QB stats came against.

Again, hat tip to AGC on the M&G Board....

..."Our two victories are over teams that are:

0-16 on the year (smu 0-7; Nicholls 0-9)

The two teams have been outscored 790-168 (that's an average score of 49-10)

Smu only has 49 points in 7 games....and as we know 6 of those came on the last play of a game"...

Rick

Proud North Texan · October 26, 2014

We need QBs, DLs, OLs, WRs, Corners, safeties, LBs and maybe coaches!!

greenminer · October 26, 2014

Rice and UAB would have been MUCH different games.
I'm sure Craphole also doesn't miss their 4 year starter, right?
Delusional.

That's pure speculation, and no way for either side to prove it.

If we're going to play that game, I'd contend DW would offer us opportunities to win Ohio/Tulane last year that DT could not.

Time to move on.

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

And look who a majority of this year's QB stats came against.
Again, hat tip to AGC on the M&G Board....
..."Our two victories are over teams that are:
0-16 on the year (smu 0-7; Nicholls 0-9)
The two teams have been outscored 790-168 (that's an average score of 49-10)
Smu only has 49 points in 7 games....and as we know 6 of those came on the last play of a game"...
Rick

Ya, all stats from McNeese really should be thrown out.

We basically played a fat high school team.

UNT90 · October 26, 2014

The funny thing is, I brought up whole DT thing after the UAB game expecting several mea culpas considering how painfully obvious it is that we would be a better team with DT as QB this year. And then expected just to move on.

I was pretty shocked when those that dug their heels in preseason dug them in even deeper. Not only that, but then wanted to challenge me on it in every thread about QB play (looking at you, Cerebus).

Funny how not one of them can answer the very simple question: Why have we used 3 QBs this year yet only 1 last year if QB play has been exactly the same?

Still waiting....

GreenMachine · October 27, 2014

Lol!
The lengths some people will go to is pretty amazing.
Notice how QB's weren't switched out in the Ohio, Tulane, Georgia (until it was garbage time for Mini Mac), and Craphole game last year?
Ever wonder why that was?
You are wrong and were wrong about DT. Someday, when you are 75 maybe, you will realize it doesn't make you a weak person to admit a mistake and will stop disparaging a QB that was MVP of one of only 2 modern era bowl wins in this program's history.

I have told your dumbass before and I will tell you again, take DT'S penis out of your mouth and think with your brain. You are an old, tired, ignorant broken record.

DeepGreen · October 27, 2014

We need QBs, DLs, OLs, WRs, Corners, safeties, LBs and maybe coaches!!

I with you, but with a recruiting twist. If we have 25 schollys to give, here's what I would do.

5 quarterbacks

20 defensive linemen

Rudy · October 27, 2014

I have told your dumbass before and I will tell you again, take DT'S penis out of your mouth and think with your brain. You are an old, tired, ignorant broken record.

*sigh*. This is going to be a long, sucky off season.

Ben Gooding · October 27, 2014

I want to hear UNT90's statistical reasoning of why he thinks DT was so good? Please.

Numbers talk, everything else is a clown show.

34 TO's at this point last year compared to 14 this year. A RB that rushed for over 1k yards. These are the reasons for 9-4. DT happened to play QB while it was happening. His best mistake free game ("MVP" game) was 256 yards 2 td, need I say more?

H-towngreen · October 27, 2014

I want to hear UNT90's statistical reasoning of why he thinks DT was so good? Please.
Numbers talk, everything else is a clown show.
34 TO's at this point last year compared to 14 this year. A RB that rushed for over 1k yards. These are the reasons for 9-4. DT happened to play QB while it was happening. His best mistake free game ("MVP" game) was 256 yards 2 td, need I say more?

I'd also love to compare special teams stats, yardage and pts. Those are for sure way down.

Defense, special teams and a great running. That's what carries us to a 9-4 record. If DW or MiniMac played last season it would've been pretty much the same. If DT was playing this season, it'd be pretty much the same.

Got5onIt · October 27, 2014

DT is gone, why are we still arguing over his ability? Let's close the book on him.

Now, back to our current QBs.....

YIKES!!!!!

Our coach's ability to recruit a QB...

YIKES!!!!

Backfilling players after losing last year's defensive playmakers....

YIKES!!!!!

Offensive line being the best unit on the team this year.....

YIKES!!!!!!

Edited October 27, 2014 by Got5onIt

FirefightnRick · October 27, 2014

I want to hear UNT90's statistical reasoning of why he thinks DT was so good? Please.
Numbers talk, everything else is a clown show.
34 TO's at this point last year compared to 14 this year. A RB that rushed for over 1k yards. These are the reasons for 9-4. DT happened to play QB while it was happening. His best mistake free game ("MVP" game) was 256 yards 2 td, need I say more?

You forgot the re-set Patella in the first half.

Rick