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[SilverEagle]

This is a joke, right?

I think DW needs to remain our starter. I also think that more under center plays need to be called. I also think, believe it or not, we need to run the ball more; power plays to be specific. Then maybe with a consistent run game then try to get DW on the edge and give him easy throws in the flats with a high/low option, but first option should be flats. The inconsistent running game is not doing any favors for DW either. Stop with all the shotgun stuff for now and go back to old school and try to salvage some W's this year with clock management and running the football with extremely high % throws. Dumb. It. Down....please.

If that is the best plan for the remainder of the season then you might as well keep McNulty in there as QB. Something I was in favor of from the beginning of the season anyway. When we get ahead of someone by two TD's in the middle of the fourth Qtr, then put DW in there to get some reps.....doing the same thing.

[Ben Gooding]

Sure, except McNulty taking 1st team game reps are a waste IMO. He will never be the undisputed starter at North Texas, so why start him at all?p

Edited October 12, 2014 by Ben Gooding

[SilverEagle]

Sure, except McNulty taking 1st team game reps are a waste IMO. He will never be the undisputed starter at North Texas, so why start him at all?p

He knows the position much better than DW and he can easily function in the "safe" mode that you suggest. It's about winning games more than developing the next star.....assuming that DW will become a star. We are in serious danger of losing a lot of what we've slowly (too slowly IMHO) built up in fan support., IF your plan is the most viable option to win out the rest of the season, then McNutly is the best driver of that bus.

Otherwise rip off Mean's RS and totally open things up for the QB competition.

[Ken14]

Does Scott Hall have any eligibility left????

[Ben Gooding]

Well, then start McNulty. I want to be bored to death if it means salvaging this season. Next years season can be worked out in the offseason. I really, really, really hope some legit DL offers are being thrown on the table. Offer the top 50 tackles and top 50 DE in the state, eventually they will start sticking. You can't get a player that isn't offered. Play it safe by eating clock and going back to power football. We can't afford to go 2-10.

[UNT90]

He knows the position much better than DW and he can easily function in the "safe" mode that you suggest. It's about winning games more than developing the next star.....assuming that DW will become a star. We are in serious danger of losing a lot of what we've slowly (too slowly IMHO) built up in fan support., IF your plan is the most viable option to win out the rest of the season, then McNutly is the best driver of that bus.

Otherwise rip off Mean's RS and totally open things up for the QB competition.

I would actually agree with you if we had last year's defense. We don't. We are gonna have to score over 30 points to win just about all of the remaining games (S. Miss may be the only exception). We ain't gonna do that with Mini Mac running the show. I mean as in zero chance with Mini Mac back there.

With DW, there is the hope that he grows and gets better, and there is the possibility that the offense could score over 30 with him in there.

Problem is, there is also the possibility that DW gives away anywhere from 7-21 points a game with stupid freshman mistakes.

Personally, I'd stick with DW AS LONG AS he is doing everything he is supposed to be doing on and off the field to prepare for Gameday. At least there is fading hope with him in there. Mini Mac is a give up.

[MeanGreenZen]

Come on guys, how was our coaching staff supposed to know that Derek Thompson's eligibility was up after last season and they needed to recruit/develop a reliable quarterback to take his place?

Also, I know Connor Means is winning the Underwear Olympics (he looks the part) but the guy completed less than 50% of his passes in high school last year. If anyone has ever needed a redshirt it's that dude.

[VideoEagle]

I miss him. Every year there was competition that was going to unseat him and every year he kept to starting job.

[meangreen15]

People saying they miss DT really just shows how North Texas this program really is. He was a mediocre at BEST quarterback and the numbers prove that. The fact some place him on a pedestal shows how much of a joke our program is. We would still only have 2 wins if he was at the helm.

[FirefightnRick]

People saying they miss DT really just shows how North Texas this program really is. He was a mediocre at BEST quarterback and the numbers prove that. The fact some place him on a pedestal shows how much of a joke our program is. We would still only have 2 wins if he was at the helm.

Without lookin it up where would you say his numbers put him in our history?

Rick

[meangreen15]

Without lookin it up where would you say his numbers put him in our history?

Rick

Exactly. "Our" history...how bout we compare him to the qb's he played against. When you compare garbage to garbage the numbers don't look as bad.

[FirefightnRick]

Exactly. "Our" history...how bout we compare him to the qb's he played against. When you compare garbage to garbage the numbers don't look as bad.

So you don't know then. Figured so. You don't know that statistically he's at the top with some pretty damn good company and did what his coaches asked him to do. In fact, he did more if you count what he did in the class room. Carry on.

Rick

[meangreen15]

So you don't know then. Figured so. You don't know that statistically he's at the top with some pretty damn good company and did what his coaches asked him to do. In fact, he did more if you count what he did in the class room. Carry on.

Rick

I did know that since we continually rehash this damn argument every two weeks. My point is our school's quarterback history is garbage, and that should not elevate our view of DT. We should take him at face value compared to all of his peers.

[FirefightnRick]

I did know that since we continually rehash this damn argument every two weeks. My point is our school's quarterback history is garbage, and that should not elevate our view of DT. We should take him at face value compared to all of his peers.

But your wrong. Our school's QB history isn't garbage.

Rick

[meangreen15]

But your wrong. Our school's QB history isn't garbage.

Rick

You're absolutely right. We've had 1 QB make it to the NFL in the 100 years our program has been around. I say we trademark "Quarterback U" while we still can!

[greenit]

Exactly. "Our" history...how bout we compare him to the qb's he played against. When you compare garbage to garbage the numbers don't look as bad.

Well, we do have 100+ years to look back on. Why some people continue to trash some of our historically good players is beyond me.

[greenminer]

His stats benefited greatly from longevity, his longevity from toughness.

Honest question for the generations that saw them, if you could put any UNT QB onto last year's team, who would you want taking snaps?

Scott Hall
Steve Ramsey
Mitch Maher
DT

Andrew Smith

[FirefightnRick]

Well, we do have 100+ years to look back on. Why some people continue to trash some of our historically good players is beyond me.

I agree. I think it's just a combination of things, including a young fanbase that has no patience with anything these days and maybe a lack of promoting our traditions although we've made strides in that area with the HOF, the All Century Team recognition and the banners that hang on the stadiums.

Rick

[Ben Gooding]

Historically good players? I saw somewhere that DT was the first QB to throw for 2000 yards at North Texas since 95? It may have been back to back 2000 yard years, but I don't think so. Either way, that is embarrassing and even laughable.

Oh and patience? Are you kidding? This fan base is riddled with patience, and not by choice.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Ben Gooding

[SilverEagle]

His stats benefited greatly from longevity, his longevity from toughness.

Honest question for the generations that saw them, if you could put any UNT QB onto last year's team, who would you want taking snaps?

Scott Hall

Steve Ramsey

Mitch Maher

DT

Andrew Smith

Well, I don't know how mobile Ramsey was but he would have been more ideal for a Dodge offense. Same for Vidal Carlin. Both of which played in the NFL.

Hall, Scott Davis, Maher, Jordan Case ( starter in 78 & 79 who played in the CFL) and Joe Stevenson ( starter in 1980) would have all done a better job in last years offense than DT. For that matter so would Greg Carter (1983 and 85). I would also add Daniel Meager and Giovanni Vizza as QB's who would have done better.

Andrew Smith threw better than DT, but he didn't run as well.

Opps, I would put Kenny Washington in there too.....easily ahead of A. Smith.

Edited October 12, 2014 by SilverEagle

[UNT90]

Well, I don't know how mobile Ramsey was but he would have been more ideal for a Dodge offense. Same for Vidal Carlin. Both of which played in the NFL.

Hall, Scott Davis, Maher, Jordan Case ( starter in 78 & 79 who played in the CFL) and Joe Stevenson ( starter in 1980) would have all done a better job in last years offense than DT. For that matter so would Greg Carter (1983 and 85). I would also add Daniel Meager and Giovanni Vizza as QB's who would have done better.

Andrew Smith threw better than DT, but he didn't run as well.

Opps, I would put Kenny Washington in there too.....easily ahead of A. Smith.

What, no McNulty? ;-)

[casual fan]

If a dad of a potential UNT QB recruit reads this forum's bashing of a former bowl MVP QB who holds most of the school records, it might give him pause for thought. Would he really want his son subjected to this?

Since DT is coaching at a school we will try to recruit in the future, It seems to me that continuing to bash him after he is gone is pretty dumb.

[Ben Gooding]

You think this kind of talk only comes from fans of North Texas? It's every where, but at the blue bloods there are 10x more people bitching and moaning. If DT shuns North Texas than that's on him, not us.

[JesseMartin]

I think D-Rock knows there are enough people who appreciate him regardless of whether others bitch and complain. Dude has balls of solid rock so I don't see him being negatively affected by a few people putting him down. He may not have been Heisman material but he got the job done, even when it meant popping his kneecap back in place and putting some tape on it. Would we all have liked a couple more winning seasons with him? Hell yeah, and so would he, I'm sure. But last year was the best in a looooong time and even though he had some down games, he had enough good ones to help get one of the best seasons in school history. A lot of it involved help from the D and Special Teams, true, but he was solid enough to keep the offense in it for most of them. Do I think he's the second coming or something? Nope. But damn nice job.

Now, back to present day....

[FirefightnRick]

Historically good players? I saw somewhere that DT was the first QB to throw for 2000 yards at North Texas since 95? It may have been back to back 2000 yard years, but I don't think so. Either way, that is embarrassing and even laughable.

Oh and patience? Are you kidding? This fan base is riddled with patience, and not by choice.

I can tell you've been watching North Texas football for all of about 18 months so I won't waste the time to explain to you why him throwing for 2000 yards in his 2nd full season was worth mentioning in his bio.

Rick