QB

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

How hard is it, really, to find one quarterback who:

(1) Is motivated to learn a play book?

(2) Is careful with the football?

We don't have one QB on the roster like that after four years with this staff.

Or

We don't have one QB on the roster like that after four years with this staff?

[Ben Gooding]

Not even the QB at this point. We are undersized and slow almost across the board. We have RB's that are either undersized or slow. OL waaay too slow and too big for their own good. DL looking like bulky LB's (May be the root of a ton of problems). Secondary mostly lost aside from Jones. Too many Walk ons on scholarship. 1 decent playmaker at wideout. Bad recruiting. Apparently no development. And HORRIBLE play calling by Chico (play action pass with a RS freshman at QB and the route reads are slow developing crossing routes out of your own endzone. Wtf? Just to name one, but there are MANY). So, again, QB might literally be the smallest problem right now.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Look, I'm not ever going to say Chico is Jesus, but...

...tell me why a redshirt freshman on scholarship at an FBS university shouldn't be expected to be able to execute a play action pass? Play action pass is pretty f*cking standard for any type of American rules football-type offense. Sorry.

If we are waiting around for this kid to learn all the "intricate" nuances of a f*cking play action pass, then we are in deeper sh*t than we ever imagined.

[Ben Gooding]

Not that it was play action. It's that it was play action out of their own endzone with slow developing routes with 0 safety valve. For that matter how many routes today had a safety valve? How many passing plays were 1 read quick throws? Where were the screens? These are the plays that give a young QB confidence and puts pressure on the defense. Plays were being called as if he was a 3 year starter. Too many 3-5 step rhythm routes. It's too complex. It needs to be dumbed down until success is established and windows down field start opening up. Football is simple, North Texas is making it look hard.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

"Safety valve?"

What in the hell are you talking about? This is an FBS-level football program...or, at least technically is such. There are redshirt freshmen and freshman doing things that you say we should expect Dajon to do.

That is utter crap.

This isn't the University of Dajon Williams. He's had a poor attitude and didn't learn the playbook. In my opinion, he's pretty damn lucky McCarney didn't pull his scholarship earlier after he had crappy off season workout, showed up out of shape, and didn't know the f*cking playbook in this second season with the team!

We didn't play Alabama today; we played Alabama at Birmingham, a terrible program that can't draw more than moms, baby mommas, grandmas, cousins, and aunts and uncles. And, Dajon directly gave them three touchdowns - in one game! That has to be a school record.

This "Dajon can't be expected" garbage has got to go. Other QBs around the country who are freshmen or redshirt freshmen are doing things we are supposed to wait for him to be able to do.

You can't coach up a kid who won't be coached, okay? They gambled and lost on Greer. They "daddy-friend" scholied McNulty. And, that is why we are stuck with a kid who won't bother to put in the work to be a good QB.

I honestly do not care who they play at QB the rest of the season. The offensive line is overrated. The supposed top three quarterbacks are all terrible. We have no one at WR...again.

I'd bet you Ross Perot's dollars to doughnuts that you could cold start any of the true freshman QB sitting on our bench right now for the rest of the season and they wouldn't be half as bad as the three who are supposedly ahead of them on the depth chart.

Honestly, you could begin next week to rotate Means, Wells, and Cousins in and out of the games and we'd be better off. Who knows? You might accidentally stumble upon someone who knows the playbook, can execute a play action pass, and not directly give up three touchdowns to opposing defenses.

[MEANGREENCOACH2]

Vote now, Ben Gooding for UNT OC in twenty fifteen.

Kinda has a ring to it.

Your exactly right we are making it look extremely dificult. Seriously, qb read is quite difficult enough, but then add a flare/bubble option by the WR my gosh. Coaches said he didnt know the playbook could be cause your using the entire playbook on NCAA 14.

[casual fan]

Anybody else missing Derek Thompson?

DW just needs more time.

There is a learning curve to all this.

Edited October 12, 2014 by casual fan

[emmitt01]

Anybody else missing Derek Thompson?

I'm missing Trice, and Orr, and Chancellor, and McCoy, and Smith, and Boutwell, and Bellazin, and Abbe...but that's it

[UNT90]

I'm missing Trice, and Orr, and Chancellor, and McCoy, and Smith, and Boutwell, and Bellazin, and Abbe...but that's it

So just ignoring the fact that we have no FBS QB on the roster at this moment in time?

Ok

[stryker]

Brock Berglund anyone?

[JesseMartin]

Don't we still have that other QB too? The one that was at Tech or something?

Edit: Shanbour, that's who I was thinking of.

Honestly, you could begin next week to rotate Means, Wells, and Cousins in and out of the games and we'd be better off.

Edited October 12, 2014 by JesseMartin

[emmitt01]

So just ignoring the fact that we have no FBS QB on the roster at this moment in time?

Ok

Add DT to that list and we still wouldn't.

Do you have a point somewhere in your broken record routine?

[Army of Dad]

Before the Ben Gooding roast continues, he isn't wrong about safety valves.

There is a bit of conventional wisdom that a good TE is a rookie/freshman QBs best friend. I'm surprised that an avowed old school guy like TFLF hasn't been jumping up and down about how you need to get inexperienced QBs easy, quick throws to build confidence and allow him to work into the game at the new level. The need for safety valve routes/passes is even greater if your O-line isn't doing a great job keeping your QB clean.

[UNT90]

Anybody else missing Derek Thompson?

DW just needs more time.

There is a learning curve to all this.

Lots do. Some missed him before the season ever started.

And some refuse to admit that to themselves.

[UNT90]

Add DT to that list and we still wouldn't.

Do you have a point somewhere in your broken record routine?

Ya, we don't need a QB that lead us to a bowl victory, do we?

We are doing just fine and dandy, aren't we?

Just admit you were wrong. The evidence is overwhelming.

[SilverEagle]

Lots do. Some missed him before the season ever started.

And some refuse to admit that to themselves.

Well, If we're going to play the " I miss previous NT QB's" game, then I miss Scott Hall. If you want someone more recent, then I miss the pre-beat-up-and-sick-of-football-under-Dodge-Giovanni Vizza.

What I don't understand is how/why the coaching staff spent sooooo much time trying to fit the square peg that is Greer into the round hole of the QB position. I thought that QB competition involved giving everyone equal time out there during spring practice. But when I attended practices that was never the case. Greer and McNulty got the vast majority of the reps followed by Means and Williams. The rest of them, with the possible exception of Cousins pretty much stood on the sidelines.

Edited October 12, 2014 by SilverEagle

[UNTcrazy727]

Ya, we don't need a QB that lead us to a bowl victory, do we?

We are doing just fine and dandy, aren't we?

Just admit you were wrong. The evidence is overwhelming.

Do you actually think DT was a good QB? The fact that we don't have anyone on our roster to replace his pedestrian numbers is inexcusable and someone needs to be fired for it.

[DallasGreen]

Brock Berglund anyone?

Has he even played a down yet for Northern Colorado?

[UNT90]

Do you actually think DT was a good QB? The fact that we don't have anyone on our roster to replace his pedestrian numbers is inexcusable and someone needs to be fired for it.

I think DT maximized every ounce of potential that he had and was never given the opportunity to show what that potential could translate to on the field because the head coach was content to run the ball and rely on his defense to win games.

Yet DT was still able to lead this team to only it's third bowl victory in the history of the program (2nd in the modern era) and what did he get for his trouble? A bunch of idiots thanking god that DT was gone and now we would REALLY take off because anyone else at QB was bound to be better.

And those idiots steadfastly hold on to that opinion even when the evidence smacks them in the face.

Guess what, folks. Johnny Football types aren't coming to UNT. Any QB we get us going to have flaws. Hopefully DW decides he wants to put in the work to succeed and maximize his ability at this level. Even if he does, there isn't any promises that he will be successful. He showed a lot of Greer type panic passing out there yesterday. The second pick 6 really makes me question whether he can ever play at this level.

But he is the best we got on the roster right now.

[UNTcrazy727]

I think DT maximized every ounce of potential that he had and was never given the opportunity to show what that potential could translate to on the field because the head coach was content to run the ball and rely on his defense to win games.

Yet DT was still able to lead this team to only it's third bowl victory in the history of the program (2nd in the modern era) and what did he get for his trouble? A bunch of idiots thanking god that DT was gone and now we would REALLY take off because anyone else at QB was bound to be better.

And those idiots steadfastly hold on to that opinion even when the evidence smacks them in the face.

Guess what, folks. Johnny Football types aren't coming to UNT. Any QB we get us going to have flaws. Hopefully DW decides he wants to put in the work to succeed and maximize his ability at this level. Even if he does, there isn't any promises that he will be successful. He showed a lot of Greer type panic passing out there yesterday. The second pick 6 really makes me question whether he can ever play at this level.

But he is the best we got on the roster right now.

Ever think the coaches knew DT didn't have the skill set to run a more open offense? It was that conservative play calling that allowed DT to have any kind of success. And can we stop with the "DT led us to a bowl game" BS. It was our defense and special teams that led us last year. If you couldn't see that I don't know what to tell you.

[GOMG2013]

I miss those weak qbs and offenses we went against last year. Apparently anytime we face a decent qb, even last year, we had/have trouble.

Even ball state lit us up, but we got lucky because of all the turnovers.

[BillySee58]

I miss those weak qbs and offenses we went against last year. Apparently anytime we face a decent qb, even last year, we had/have trouble.

Even ball state lit us up, but we got lucky because of all the turnovers.

Yup. 5 of our 6 conference wins came against freshmen qbs playing the majority of the snaps. 4 of those qbs were either making their first start against us or seeing more PT than they had all year. 2 were true freshman who were having their redshirts burned against us, for awful teams.

[UNT90]

Ever think the coaches knew DT didn't have the skill set to run a more open offense? It was that conservative play calling that allowed DT to have any kind of success. And can we stop with the "DT led us to a bowl game" BS. It was our defense and special teams that led us last year. If you couldn't see that I don't know what to tell you.

Well, since Mac said that he relied on his defense to win games, and since we ran the ball near 70 percent if the time on first downs DT's junior and senior years, I'd say there is pretty good evidence that Mac wanted it that way.

Let's not forget that when DT was given the chance with an aggressive offense, more times than not he succeeded (Ball St., Kansas St., UNLV, just to name a few). No QB anywhere, much less at UNT, is going to be successful every time out. Also, don't forget when Mac was finally forced to go mo huddle in last years Craphole game, DT moved the ball straight down the field twice, almost leading UNT to a very improbable comeback.

I wish we had seen DT get the same opportunities DW is currently getting. All DT did was keep his mouth shut and do exactly what he was asked to do most of the time.

Edited October 12, 2014 by UNT90

[MeanMag]

Whoever the QB coach is must be doing a terrible job. I mean how is the offensive coordinator supposed to work with that?

[Ben Gooding]

Whoever the QB coach is must be doing a terrible job. I mean how is the offensive coordinator supposed to work with that?

This is a joke, right?

I think DW needs to remain our starter. I also think that more under center plays need to be called. I also think, believe it or not, we need to run the ball more; power plays to be specific. Then maybe with a consistent run game then try to get DW on the edge and give him easy throws in the flats with a high/low option, but first option should be flats. The inconsistent running game is not doing any favors for DW either. Stop with all the shotgun stuff for now and go back to old school and try to salvage some W's this year with clock management and running the football with extremely high % throws. Dumb. It. Down....please.