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. I don't want SMU as our rival .... I want to ignore their existence. They have ignored us forever... UTEP or UTSA will do ... or Rice. or Houston. UNT vs. Rice or UTSA or Houston will put two major metropolitan areas against each other... and perhaps we should promote or encourage that publicly. With the exception of smu, I treat the other universities in Texas with a degree of respect in my posts, no sense in making them hate us for what we say .

. I'm in agreement with you .... Playing us fills their stadium and their pockets with $$$. I would just as soon ignore them and consider them a a lesser school (which they are) . They need us and other Texas area universities to fill their stadium and give them credibility... we don't need them.... or to be associated with them and their dirty reputation.

Scrappy doesn't look very scrappy... instead rather crappy ( sorry for the bad language but it applies)

... not convinced... Every bad dog attack in area that I can remember involved a pit bull or part pit bull. Not talking about a simple dog bite but those with terrible results.

.. Part II of that... why not have someone deep to attempt a return if the attempt is short... worked for Auburn when they defeated Alabama and for Chicago's Hester a few years ago. ...

.. My two UNT kids took concurrent English classes in HS as well as my Aggie kid... They have done well (Aggie one is computer engineer/ Lawyer /business exec.) with no problems but I am not sure that is true of everyone that does that. I don't think any of my three had to write as much as I did as a freshman.

. Absolutely agree.... many if not most these "events" I am aware of involve a dog that was trusted completely by the owner then without warning decided to take a "chunk" out of someone, often the owner.

Romo isn't Peyton Manning, Brees or Brady but there are a lot worse out there... Hard to win when the defensive side of the ball is 32nd out of 32 teams and gives up 20 point leads and other leads in the 4th quarter. That has been the problem for the past three years. .

--- I have questioned the explosion of concurrent classes in HS... I teach math in a community college and those who teach engineering calculus claim those who had concurrent math classes in HS are rarely as good as those who take it in a traditional college class. I teach trig classes at times and have students that had HS trig and they are usually shocked at the difference and difficulty.. ---Back to their, there and they're (different parts of speech) ... So many HS and college classes teach no real English grammar or parts of speech anymore ... they teach literature... If I could change one thing in HS school English, it would be teach sentence diagramming... .they don't know parts of speech and therefore can't write worth a damn and often confusing... I also see that makes a difference in teaching stated problems... those who know how to diagram usually understand or analyze them better... It also drives my wife nuts... She teaches foreign language ... and students don't know parts of speech even in English which makes learning a different language much more difficult.... diagramming teaches that.. she sometimes even takes time to teach some diagramming in English... ---Basic history and science classes should still be in all college programs.... My answer to algebra is the same I would say about learning how to swim... You may go the rest of your life not really needing to know how but what if you are the one that falls into a lake or get a job that that uses/needs algebra ... it is shocking how few understand finance and business formulas ... it can make/save people a lot of money. Ask a married couple I had in class that suddenly discovered that and refinanced their home while in my class... and saved 11 years of payments [ from 26 yrs. to 15 ] and just paid $12 more per month.. They really got their moneys worth by taking it. Several others have told me they were going to check into it or refinance and even students who worked in financial institutions suddenly realized how time payments and amortization tables work.

-We agree on something... seen too many of these stories where a pit-bull that seems harmless suddenly does something terrible... Still remember a vacation a few years and the on news in all three of towns we spent the night in involved a pit bull that had chewed someone up ... I think one elderly person died and another involved the owner who thought he was wonderful and the other one tore into some kids.... . They may have a place as a junk-yard dog but they are not to be totally trusted as a pet, any of them...

Changing the words but attributing is someone else is bearing false witness... ( RICK is doing that ) It appears that I said things I did not say..and not even close. If you want to say it ... go ahead but don't use the the name of the original post person above the post ... Say it completely yourself. Yes I see the below comment but it still uses another persons name.

If being too rich and spoiled is a valid excuse then surely being poor and uneducated should work as well .... He should have been locked up. Better yet give the father the choice...... he or the son to serve the sentence since the father is "supposedly" at fault. Either wayhe gets to pay for the "crime". He would be in jail or put his son there.

Since the judge is blaming the parents and not the kid..... I am hoping the the families of the victims can sue his parents for millions to the point it hurts and get it. Maybe that will get their attention.

. Finals..

.. You will argue anything... I said police and others are justified when they see what appears to be a threat. Police go through hours and hours of training and when to shoot and not shoot... that is not true of most people who have a license to carry. I also know some people just don't have the "whatever it takes" to shoot at someone and they have no business with one and are likely to get shot instead.. Plus there are a lot of careless people out there that are more likely to shoot themselves (or someone around them) than need one for self defense. In my hometown this year a man killed his kid while cleaning his gun. I am not anti-gun... but some folks just don't need or have any business carrying one. . .

Agree.... and we are approx a 40,000 university of 100,000's alums... Many times what some schools have that are on TV... plus this one involves UTSA which is fairly new but large in a large metro area as are we. (easily 3 million combined.) ... If number of viewers mean what they can charge for advertising .. they are screwing up..... added to it this week this will be the conference west championship which have even more interest.

I'm in West Texas ... any TV coverage???

-- I was a soph. at Howard Payne and had just walked out of a "remedial" math class that I was in charge of teaching, when a friend rounded the corner and said the President had been shot... I then went to my Safeway job two blocks away and they sent me to the bank with all the morning checks which was exchanged for cash for that afternoon's use and while waiting in line at the drive-up window I saw the lady in the car in front burst into tears ... I then walked to the car behind me ( to a friend from college that was doing the same for another grocery store ) and he told me the radio (my pickup did not have one) had just announced the President was dead... The rest of the day was rather strange as I worked at the store....On Sunday I was working (which I did once a month) and a customer told us Oswald had been shot.... and when I was putting groceries into a car I heard on their car radio that he had died... Doesn't seem possible that was 50 years ago... I watched a lot of TV the next few days. I transfered to North Texas the following year. --To me that was the start of a very strange time... the Viet Nam war got worse [ I was draft bait until age 24 when they decided to fail my physical, high sugar count ] , civil right protests and demonstrations increased , drugs was almost unknown then but by 1970 it was common, and 1968 was even stranger with RFK and Martin L. King being killed, the Chicago protests, and many more events, followed by Woodstock the following summer... It seemed it all started with the JFK shooting and by 1968-9 things had really changed. We all wondered what would happen next with all the protests and violence going on. A lot changes in women's rights and racial rights happened in that period.. --Those who did not live through that time really don't get how it was before then and the changes that took place... . I graduated from UNT in spring of 1966, lived at College Inn (the first and second year it existed) and never once saw a marijuana cigarette or knew anyone using drugs...( believe me my floor wasn't a group of angels ). In 1971 while working on a masters at UNT, it was everywhere.. ..also the respect for government had deteriorated greatly because of Nam and the civil rights events. In 1963, the entire Southwest Conference schools were all white in classes and athletics, UNT wasn't. .... all TV commercials and many other things were too.... It was a crazy time to live through and witness the changes...

Tough way to learn that that "game" was absolutely stupid... People who point "toy" guns at people are as well.. If people "think" they are being threatened they will likely shoot if armed and I don't blame them. I've seen reports of police shooting people that had a toy gun.... No problem, it might be real and it would be too late if they waited and it was a real one. --The post above that one.... Just because someone had a short course on handling guns and has a permit doesn't mean they really should carry one**... {which is point of the post] Seen too many that are way too careless with one... That is the real problem with teachers carrying one... I am not anti-gun but I oppose that idea.... people who have been around guns all their life are very different with them than people who just took some "short course". Part two of that is shooting some target isn't the same as shooting a person or even an animal... Unless they are really willing to shoot and have the good judgement of when to shoot or not shoot, don't have one. Bad guys are more likely to shoot if they see you with one... ** just because someone has a driver's license doesn't they are qualified to enter a Nascar race..

. You will love this .... there is an hour program on Fox-Sports Southwest today at 10:00PM on Brownwood (Gordon Wood)... It is also on again tomorrow night... ( Wed ..11:00 PM ) Maybe they will mention the time Weatherford QB played us in the 60's and was badly hung over. ( if not rather drunk )... I got that from Weatherford kids graduated with him that I knew in college. They were disgusted with him. True.??.. I don't know but they claimed it.

That explains a lot..

1981 is correct... and you were saying the cheating was done to win those championships.... since 1981 ( or when Wood retired) I have not kept up very close with them although I have a lot of family there and still own a house and ranchland there..(there this past weekend) By then I was married and having kids... I went to Bwd HS in the 60's when Wood was there..... and I did keep up with them extremely close until early 80's and knew many of the player's families. I am not sure when Wood retired but it was early or mid 80's. ... As I said Wood was not recruiting and you claimed he was... If any recruiting was done since he retired ... they sure were not very successful... Why did you mention it if were talking about a later coach's program that didn't win that much.??? Only once have they advanced very far into playoffs since then. I can't even name the current coach.. That area (or district ) was later dominated by Art Brile of Stephenville (now Baylor) , not Brownwood. .... in fact Stephenville eliminated them last week again. They still have had moderate success...but nothing like the 60-70's. The TCU QB is from Bwd and the N.O. Saints safety is also... To this day I have never seen an athlete as good as Elkins... He was offered pro baseball contracts while in HS based on summer ball, a two time all American at Baylor in football, all-state in basketball, and was a few inches short of winning the 880 at state track meet... He had defeated that guy at district and region. He did play for the Oilers and later the Steelers a while until injured and may have on their first Super Bowl team but not playing... not sure. I know he was one of Bradshaw's receiver for a while. I last saw him in the 50th reunion and banquet of the 1960 football team.. Wood was very creative, and did not over-work his players... The one play I remember most was in the state finals with a 14 lead and about 1:30 left and 70 yds to the endzone. first down hand-off over center,,,, taking time..., second down same again .... taking time... third down in what appeared to be final play of half, same again except QB kept ball and threw a flea-flicker to the end while the other team did little more that stand around thinking it was about to be half-time... We only won by 7 at the end. .

Another point during 60's and I think most if not all of the 70's, any kid than changed schools had to sit out a year before he could play at his new school. That rule cost Si Southall a year of eligibility (soph. year). It also hurt a long term Bwd kid in my class that had gone to school Bwd for 11.5 years moved to the family ranch in a neighboring county that spring semester and in the fall returned and was ineligible for his senior year [ he weighed over 200 lbs. ...that just wasn't right but that was the UIL of the time ] As bad or worse was kid at Abilene Cooper had enrolled at Cooper for his junior year, withdrew two weeks later when his father in the air-force was transferred to Guam or somewhere in South Pacific where there was no high school.. He came back the next year, did his "junior year" and played two games into his senior year before they remembered his two week junior enrollment earlier (he received no grades). The UIL considered those two weeks a year and Cooper forfeited those games and he had to quit....could not play.. The point is..... recruiting by coaches in the era would have been very tough... had to do it when student was in junior high**.. Prior to 1952 when the present set-up was started .... lots of crazy things did go on. Wood won no championships in that era and only showed up in Bwd in 1960 with a team that had gone 8-2 the previous year losing out to Emory Bellard then in Breckenridge.. (most of that talent was gone except Elkins). I guess you already knew that since you know so much and I know nothing about athletics, rules. etc... . **In junior high I was considered fast... later I wasn't ... I had a Sept. birthday (one of oldest in class) and they caught up with me and toss in the classes below and above me. Recruiting at that point is a real crap-shot... and unlikely success... I have seen a lot great junior high athletes that never played in HS...

Name them.... We won state in track my senior year, second my junior year, and every kid on that team were long term Bwd people.... I was considered slow in Bwd and the year I lived in Abilene I was one the fastest four kids in town in town (city track meet) ... We won both relays my senior year at BHS ...... with Harris** (sat behind me in 10th grade math, McCollough (I think), Emfinger, and Daniels... Everyone one of them went to elem school in Bwd. The only kid I can remember went to Bwd from Early did so after Wood was gone, he was the son of a cousin of mine that taught choir in BISD. Brownwood had no baseball program then and so every athletic kid ran track and did not divide up the talent... The year we won state, every game we had the smaller team ... but good luck catching them... and having Lawrence Elkins as a receiver( future College all-American, twice , his (parents even grew up in Bwd) that made things easy ... no one could cover him.... I did not run track in HS because to make the team I would almost had to qualify for the state meet, it was insane how much speed was there.. My family came to Brown co. in the 1870's and know who the locals were and there were not any kids showing up from other schools... Not having a baseball program helped , (see the movie Rookie, he was from Brownwood not Big Lake as it said, knew his father) The second thing was the kids...... several would get summer jobs at the brick plant shoving brick carts into kilns all summer or at the rock crusher shoveling rock... As some said ... football was easy after a summer of that...muscles hard as rocks.... Our fullback's family owned a dairy and he lifted milk cans etc all the time.... and could out-lift some of those kids who just lifted weights. He was crazy fast for a short distance, in ten yards he was would have three yards on me off the blocks, just what a back needed to do....... You just don't know what was happening.... there was no need to recruit in that era. A lot of hard-working fast kids..... who did not sit around all summer and watch TV. They had learned that football could get them scholarships and an education. If Wood winked about it ... it was all about some the coaches he hired ... and nothing else.... I would rather not name some assistant coaches other than Southall that provided some really good players later... Nothing illegal there. ** Ted Harris,,,, black kid could not attend any SWC school or even Howard Payne (race) at that time ...Died recently in Cleburne, a coach. His younger brother played for Univ. of Houston and the Washington Redskins ... even faster than Ted was. [ they had lived in Bwd all their lives ] .... Maybe you should stick to something you know ... Name those kids you mentioned... you can't ..... they don't exist... My cousin that left Early for Bwd because his Mom taught there played in the late 80's... now a lawyer in Bwd. He was big, not fast... they won nothing. . The first year Wood appeared in Bwd, Bwd was expected to finish 5th in a 6 team district... We finished 13-1, lost to Temple, but won state. The speed and Elkins just destroyed people including Killeen and Emory Ballard at San Angelo..... 34-6... Every player had been in Bwd for years. . ____ If he recruited for that first team ... he was terrible.... one kid weighed 180 (Ronnie Moore, later of TAMU) Elkins was second largest at about 170.. the rest small (160ish avg.) and fast, and determined. Got Lucky at the state level... a team from Baytown whose line weighed about 220 had lost in the semis.... defeated Port Lavaca easily by 20-30 points. About five went on play D-I football. .

.. ---Brownwood recruiting... that is total BS.... I was a student and graduated there when we won our first championship... every kid on that team was home grown....I knew every kid in my class and had for years... The only thing close to recruiting was hiring some coaches by the head coach who had talented sons ( Southall for example, two sons became Baylor QBs, and they had coached together before and I think related somehow... married sisters or cousins?).... Cleburne made a crazy claim once ( and lost their case) about one kid who had started ninth grade at a small 6-man school in the county but it was common for several good students from that school ( after a having a drivers license) to attend BHS which played in AAAA and offered a much better education. The subject offerings were not very good at the tiny school. (might offer chemistry once every three years). One in my HS class also transfered from that tiny school (a girl, and now a medical doctor at John Hopkins, also her brother who went to Air Force Academy and did not do athletics)... Just because Bwd won a lot did not mean they cheated at all..... That is total BS ...... don't make claims that are not true. There have been several Bwd kids that made the NFL including one in the class before me that was taken first in AFL draft (L.Elkins, Baylor, Oilers) ) and every one ( except the older Southall son ) was born in Bwd. The kid that Cleburne complained about..... he still lives in Brown county and owns the family ranchland. Even Graham Harrell who did not attend BHS was born there, but his family now lives in Bwd again (his father had been BHS valedictorian and QB ). CBS made a false claim about Brownwood football (in a TV bit on Texas football ) once and it cost them over $100,000 in law suit which the coach (Wood) then donated to charity. That claim did apply to another Texas HS and the film clip shown supposedly was Wood but it was not him as they stated it was..... CBS also had to apologize to him in person on their morning show... Wood and Southall both were elected as President of Texas HS Coaches Assoc... Southall is the only assistant coach ever elected to that position.. -Ever heard of Max Emfinger and his recruiting organization (played at Baylor and BHS)? ... I have known him from 4th grade on ...when he changed elem. schools. (born in Bwd, both of us). I knew Carmichael (Tech QB) before he even attended pre- school and Elledge (Tech QB, my HS class) since 7th grade, his mother was a long-time BISD teacher. Your claim is extremely bogus. Another Bwd QB went to Air Force and his father was a long time accountant in Bwd. He died before graduation, car wreak. --There was later one other odd situation involving a kid from El Paso... I think he may have lived with grandparents in Bwd and I think his father was military and had been assigned abroad and he stayed in USA to finish his HS education.. ( that is not recruiting ) I have no idea what Southlake has done.. I do know of a few kids in Midland that lived in apt. or rental houses moved and changed districts at times before starting HS... It looked odd but seemed to be entirely parent decisions, not actual recruiting.... At least one later played at UNT.... they thought it would help their kid get scholarships to play in a winning program... . .