If you don't think that waterboarding is torture....I really don't know what to say to you Firehelmet Jesus. A more mild act of torture is not justified when more heinous crap happens in the world. Just because our citizens in the past had to endure unspeakable acts doesn't make it right for us to torture others (yes even our enemies). It disturbes me that you start a thread about this to sort of justify this ideal you seem to have. And by the way - what exactly do you know about 'true torture'? I suggest you do some research on waterboarding before you go discounting how terrible of an act that really is. You and the rest of the conservatives on this board can go out of your way to try and make the current administration look bad by nit-picking every f'ing thing that has been done in just over the past 4 months, but to try and make yourself feel better about what the administration that you probably voted for twice allowed to go on is pretty f'ing weak man. There is a reason that our President had to go around the globe and try to mend fences. Some might call that 'weak' or 'shameful' but to be honest with you - half the country and the vast majority of the world view it as a welcome change in philosophy and foreign policy. Acting like an adult and making nice with our friends is much better that having the world alienate us and view us in a negative light. Try acting like a real d*ick at the office or the job-site and see how that works out for you. I am sure you can craft some long-winded, blow-hard, GOP BS response to what I have posted...and you probably will, but to sit here and try to downplay waterboarding (which you so freely put in quotes to somehow suggest that it's a day at the beach) makes me wonder about you and those like you. But oh wait....you must love America more than me. Stupid.