Green Dozer

They are airborn. Flight Tracker shows them arriving at Love Field at 11:42 PM, so that should put them at the athletic center at 12:30 AM.

Flyer, That is it!

Great Idea!

Good post. Takes a real fan and a real man to make a post like this!

what town are you in?

I think I will.......live in Denton, so have no excuse. I bet it will be after 11:30 PM at least.

Know you guys might find this interesting, especially coming from me. But lets lay off for a day or so with all the opinions, criticisms, venting, and let these players, coaches, fans, and of course all of us on this board savor a victory. If the players do read the board, let them find out that we are really proud of them, and lets let them see it. Just an idea.

Congrats Mean Green! Great win, and I hope it is a big confidence builder that puts you on the launch pad to win out this year! Go Mean Green!

A win is a win is win!!! Go Mean Green!

We can run the ball.

Can't win when your defense gives up the big play, but we are giving good effort. Still a quarter to play, come on offense, get us back in the game.

Caught a break on that extra point.

Thank you special teams!!!!

See old timers post on the vip board about Deloach Defense

It does not make any difference how we play defensively. We don't have the personnel to have a defense, and it will take Deloach "several years" to get his defense built. Dodge only has a matter of months to do the same with the offense.

NT80, thanks for posting this. The pic and article are really cool. Has anybody volunteered to bring a snake to release at tip-off.

Guys, another point. You can bring Jeff Bower, heck even Will Muschamp from UT, and we might get a few wins. We might even grab the Sunbelt title next year, who knows? But, the new coach will continue to hit the "wall of circumstances": lack of donors to build a strong program like UNT could have (Fry), lack of facilities/stadium (all of them), lack of support from the admin (Dodge and Dickey both had it a little better with Pohl and Bataille). And you can call champions winners yes. But, OOC even then, going to a bowl game with a losing record. I simply want better. No, BCS is a reach, but a USM or Fresno State is not. And staying on a course to the new stadium is what needs to be done at this time. Yes, it is a risk, but the same old thing of yesterday remains the same new thing of today. Thank you for your time and opinions.

As compared to all the intelligent ones that you have posted.

Hey, read my post. I did not compare Dodge and Fry. I compared circumstances. Money, facilities, money, adm support, money, and donors. Not that much has changed as for as the circumstances Fry had and what we expect of coaches, given even the credentials you mention about Fry, and how they can meet them. I am tired of being in the league the Florida Who's and the like. I want to go to games that people will talk about before and after, and not just on the board. I want it to be a lot better than it is now, and if it takes a few years of sacrifice I am for it. Last I checked there were no coupons in the paper for a 1/2 price program. Not looking for a Boone Pickens either, just a normal program.

Yes, and no about wishing we had a Pickens. Unless the markets come back in a big way OSU will have to make some adjustments to say the least in their plans.

No where did I say he was Superman. We got a lot of bang for our buck when we brought him here with the media coverage. We still get a lot of it because of him. I do not like things on the field anymore than you do, it is unacceptable. But, if we are in this for the long haul, and we want to really build a strong program, then we need to stick with our plan. You could bring a million dollar a year coach in here right now (which we cannot afford) and if that is all that changes, it will be the same barely getting by program that its been, getting our teeth kicked in at OOC games, and being average at the lowest tiered conference in DIV 1. I do not expect the Big 12, but I aspire to be better than our present conference. I kind of took the attitude when Dodge came, and would have felt the same no matter who it was, that we were on a 5 to 10 year plan in building a real program. I thought it was like a South Florida, except we were fielding a team the first year or two. No, I don't think Dodge wears a cape, but short of a bunch of thugs running loose from a team, I would give any coach more time if I wanted to build a program in the right way (stadium, better facilities, etc.) . Again, we seem to want a quick fix, and fix problems we have had for years. Well, the program did not get in the shape it has overnight, and it will not be fixed that quick, no matter who the coach is.

OK, good points. And we certainly have not performed well over the years. Only team to got to a bowl game with a losing record. There has not been any consistency since Fry left. Dickey's job was always in question, and we have had the same mode of operation for many years. I am not saying we find a Joe Paterno or anything, but why don't we try to give this coach what he said he needed (i.e. a stadium) and see how it works out. Why don't we throw more money at the program (ie more donors) and see what happens. Two seasons is not enough, and three isn't either. But, you were the one that said Fry left for good reasons you listed. Also, see Kram's post about Fry coming into the bank before he left for Iowa. Not much in the way of has changed for any of the coaches since him, including Dodge. Oh, Dr B and Pohl have been pro athletics, but the alumni are very apathetic when it comes to giving money for this program. Again, we want these men to pull miracles with very limited resources. I think you make some good points, but this is not the right time to change coaches, and I think we that is where we disagree.

Let me clarify, I did not mean people come to watch Todd Dodge coach. Its the constant change that shows a lack of direction in the program. When are we going to wake up and realize its not all the coaches' faults that we are where we are. I think why Fry left still holds true today (like you put it): Per NT 80: "Fry left NT because of our facilities, lack of fans, lack of funding, and more $$ in salary at Iowa for him and his assistants" We are still throwing pennies while other are throwing dollars, yet we expect to have a big time program at a bargain price. Not going to happen.

First of all, I did not say they are coming to see "Dodge coach". But, people will grow tired of the constant change and promises that we are headed in this or that direction with this coach or when we change again if a few years because he didn't make it. We fired a guy two years removed from 4 conference championships saying we were headed in the wrong direction. We hire a man to take us in the right direction, and we are this made after two seasons. You want, average then lets make a change. If you don't lets take a risk, and see if it pays off. Again, nobody can meet the expectations we have until the we get the stadium, get more support, and more money. We need to stick with a plan and get some big pieces of the puzzle in place. Again, maybe a few more wins from a new coach, but it will be same boring barely getting by program that it has been for many years.

You should. You are complaining about everything else. As negative as I get, you make me look like Zig Ziglar.