eulessismore

What's TWU is what's not FALSE.

Well, at least you put it in the category of "college towns", if not (according the the OP) a "classic" college town. I'm still not impressed by your theory, and, even if I thought it were true, would not acknowledge that, due to it sounding so lame it would only subject us to pity or scorn, either of which sounds like the "beatdown" mentioned earlier. And I think it interesting that this thread was started, (and has been only depressing to some) according to its originator, to start something that was neither as "redundant or depressing", immediately after we had received some truly wonderful news about the stadium project passing the final authorization. Those good intentions falling so short demonstrates why I am skeptical regarding so many conspiracy theories (which, in my opinion, the "TWU is holding us back" is), that they almost never take into account that even if there are conspiracies, that "stuff" simply happens. Yes, I know there really are conspiracies, and yes, I wish I could have used a word other than "stuff". I still think that UNT and TWU need to find some common goals to work towards, maybe between the two of them, create a school of architecture or something.

I was just searching for some word to describe what I thought some board members were tired of seeing, and were glad to see it go, thinking it would be replaced by something better. But as Tasty said, "nobody likes beatniks".

Or, should the project have been authorized in the first place? It sounded like it wasn't well thought it. Sure, Fry St. was sleazy, but is sterile what is wanted for the "college town" feel?

I'm going to quit paying attention to this thread, the premise of which, in my opinion, is flawed, until we start hearing from some students who are living on campus now. College students always have friends attending school elsewhere, and they have that for comparing their own experience. Except for this one question; is Austin really the city we fantasize it to be? I thought it was wonderful when I would visit there in the late 60's; when I got out of the Army in the late 70's and checked it out for a potential place to attend college, the campus area was so crowded it seemed alienating to me. The last time I was there, about 8 years ago, about noon on Saturday, the traffic was as bad or worse than the DFW area during rush hour. Do people have to major in geography to think about ideal city size? Denton is growing towards that potential, but not fast enough to become the train wreck that other Texas cities have become. And if sharing Denton with TWU is a good excuse for local businesses not to get involved, I hope that it's not an excuse we trot out frequently enough to become known outside of this board. To me, something seems quite lame about it.

Sorry, I've already told you it's not unique, using Winston-Salem North Carolina as an example. Now I'm also starting to wonder why that UNC, NC State, and Duke are all good in basketball.

Just sounds hokey. Not saying you're not telling the truth, but maybe they aren't. Maybe they just don't want to; I still think it comes down to us putting a more successful program together.

I just want it made clear that's eulesseagle not eulessismore. I don't work in clay or in cages!

I've at times gotten hot on the outside jump shot; I'm no good at ball handling. I'd be ok with being sent in as a sub, with few expectations of dribbling or passing well.

Exactly. There are many programs that are offered at both schools, and I know women (not men) who have attended and/or received degrees from both. They did so for their own reasons, but I never saw that as taking away from UNT, since the duplicate programs are of long standing and well supported at both. But, since this is the football forum, and TWU has no history (and almost certainly no future) in college football, it's hard for me to get the point of that particular theory, unless there's some sarcasm that's hard to see in an internet forum posting.

Denton had a great college town atmosphere when I attended there back in the late 70's and early 80's. The only thing I can tell that's different is that there's a real game day atmosphere now. Honestly, I was more of a basketball fan then; Bill Blakeley (sp?), what a great coach! Man, music just flowed from everywhere, and such a friendly place! So, why would the RV section add to the "college town" feel? To me; when out camping in wilderness areas, those never seemed to promote socializing. Did I just go to school in Denton at a different time than you, or is what you're talking about strictly related to football? I think the new stadium will be a big help, but at some point we'll have to start winning more to get the fence sitters and those presently uninterested to get fired up about UNT football.

Could anyone explain to me the basis for the "TWU has held UNT back" theory? Sorry, I'll admit, when I read this one in the forum, I immediately think tinfoil hat stuff.

Hey, this is really just due to boredom as much as anything resulting in me posting this; honestly, I don't thing this guy is "too fat to kill", and could have made it up those stairs. Too fat to kill defense; Hackensack, N.J.

#9 They're the only college football team I've ever heard of where a player attacked opposing players with a sledgehammer, with the article below finishing with Coach Elson saying, "Sometimes things don't have a true explanation, and I think that was one of them". WKU sledgehammering opponents Folks, next Saturday is a battle to save Western Civilization as we know it.

And the local agricultural community HATES people messing with their livestock.

Also, the downhill skiing season should begin by Sunday, with the first snow of the season (as much as 2 feet accumulations) for the Park City, Utah and Telluride, Colorado ski resorts. No, it's not that unusual for the first snows of the season to hit those areas at about this time of year.

I found it kind of sad to see Emmitt saying about the same thing in this thread: Tobe's injury season ending I can understand people being upset with Todd Dodge; I hope nobody hates on me because of my "father", but, if that helps people get through the day....

I guess it's another thing to watch out for once the banjo music starts.

At least that site named itself appropriately, as "Hot Air".

I think I can speak for most of us here in saying, "thanks for the memories"! I'm hoping Tobe will still get a shot at the pros.

OldTimer, I'm not really one on here calling for Dodge's firing. However, I can distinctly remember wishing that (and before the play was called), late in the first half of the Ohio game, that they had gone for a chip shot field goal, instead of going for it on fourth (and turning it over on downs). Jeremy Knott had made one from 32 yards earlier, as well as both PAT kicks up to that point, and I couldn't see any reason to think he would have missed it from a shorter distance. Given everything else that happened in that game, those 3 points, if made, would have made the difference for us. I don't take any joy in pointing this out; I only wanted to see my first win at home during the Dodge era at that time. However, I think it's important for those involved in something with as much of a mental aspect as kicking that everything is "not their fault". And I can't say that I can remember seeing the drop in the end zone; I was kind of moving around in a futile attempt to keep from being completely soaked. I do think it's worth considering though, that Tune's passes "get there" a little faster than Riley's, and that might make it more difficult than usual for a receiver, playing in the less than ideal situation of that night. And again, this is not all just to be slamming the coaches, but there's quite a sting in a losing streak for all concerned (and now we have the news of Tobe out for the season to deal with), I just can't think it all comes down on the players, and I feel I must make the comment regarding the Ohio game, since you have already mentioned the dropped pass.

And I can understand the frustrations of those expressing their feelings. Still, I find it odd that a thread started during the Troy game, with little more substance than "fire Dodge now" has attracted well over 2,000 views and 86 posts, with no alternative head coach mentioned in the OP, and little in the way of replacement ideas mentioned anywhere among those many posts. Tasty has at least mentioned Steve Kragthorpe in some other post, but between the various pros and cons to him (never wanted to coach at UNT, makes too much money, is struggling there so might come here after they fire him), I feel that a question has been ignored: Why do some, such as this guy, have great success at some well funded and supported programs, such as Air Force, Arkansas, and Clemson, only having two losing seasons in 15 or so years, only to come to Rice for 11 years, and have eight losing seasons. Could it be that the quality of coach AND the support of a university community both have a part to play in the success of a football program? How is that enhanced by alumni (and I'm not blaming anyone for not contributing; I do not personally have deep pockets, but do what I can) "withholding financial support". And, keep in mind that there are quite a few other examples of such coaches, coming in to a struggling program with a great resume (yes, at the highest levels of NCAA D1 football), only to begin losing. Ken Hatfield coaching record Fred Akers coaching record Bob Toledo coaching record John Robinson coaching record

Isn't there some kind of traffic violation there, like following too close?

I live according to a John Gotti quote, "I don't have great needs, I like a good sandwich".

Music doesn't result in won-loss numbers, so should be considered safe from the frustrations of losing, unless you want to get into subjective criteria. Oh, wait.