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Cool; UNT is getting some really good architecture in place, in my opinion. I know that others love traditional architecture for a campus, but some modern architecture can be dynamite.

I'm not sure what this score means. I'm sure it doesn't mean that Kansas State beat a good Kansas team this team.

Plumm, I've been enjoying your efforts to steer things in a more cheerful direction than we have gone lately, but I disagree with your judgment on UNT90's post. Although, I do not tend to use language as colorful as his, my opinion is the same as his, and I for one, find it commendable to only "root" for UNT. I feel that way because I found a college "home" there after trying Midwestern State in Wichita Falls, serving a tour in the Army, and thinking about UT Austin enough to go down there in time to register (but didn't). And that's not to say anything bad about UT Austin, now or back then in the 1970's, just that it wasn't my "thang". I'll always have the feeling, as a woman where I work once expressed, that Denton always "seemed like a friendly" place. Honestly, she's quite a friendly person, at times having stopped her car in the middle of the street in downtown Dallas to see if I want a ride the rest of the way to work (I always decline, considering that walk from the train station to the office to be my most regular exercise). Do I wish we were doing better in football right now? Sure, and I KNOW we will do better in the future, because we tend to learn from our mistakes. Maybe that's why other institutions seem to do better at times, because they have learned from mistakes that the more "edgy" places like North Texas make. What makes North Texas unique? Maybe it's like my wife, BYU ex that she is, saying that what she feels at North Texas is that there's a place where she knows the arts will never take a back seat. Some may think that sounds a bit lame, but what is art but an expression of the creative spirit? Just think of the recently departed Leon Breeden, who came to North Texas from teaching at TCU and Grand Prairie High School, never earning more than a master's degree, but creating an academic discipline of jazz, which basically took collegiate music from regurgitation of the classics to the creation of works by the students themselves, and along the way spreading the message about North Texas (yes, among music lovers those two words are spoken with reverence everywhere mentioned) throughout the world, including (at the time) the Communist Soviet Union. As far as football, what would be the state of the high school (and college) marching band in Texas and elsewhere if not for the large number of music educators turned out by UNT? For lesser known examples, what about O'Neil Ford, the architect for whom the first endowed chair of Architecture at the University of Texas was named? He got his start by studying drafting at then North Texas State from 1924-1926 (although famously only getting a correspondence degree in Architecture)? What would architecture around Denton and the State of Texas (especially San Antonio) be without him? What about Dr. Terry Jordan, one of my first geography teachers at North Texas, who invented the modern methods of studying cultural geography and its spread as evidenced by material culture? He was then hired away by UT Austin, to have the Walter Prescott Webb (preemminent historian of the American West) endowed chair moved from their history department to geography so as to lure him away.Who else but he to explain how cowboying as we know it came to be? Larry McMurtrey, the UNT graduate? Hired away as a graduate assistant at Rice. Not that I don't respect those fine institutions such as Texas and Rice for their academic and athletic achievements, but too often they have simply lured our best with big money and a big name. But did they really foster that creative spark of those individuals in their own house? Not in my opinion. They simply went out, found talent in it's full bloom that had been nurtured at UNT in Denton, and gave it a bigger stage. Good for them. But it's on us if we don't use this Forum to toot our own horn and to let the world know of what has transpired here and what the future is bringing. Oh, and another hats off to Leon Breeden, to develop what he did and live out his career in Denton, showcasing us to the World. What do I think of Denton and North Texas? To paraphrase my wife, a place where the creative drive never takes a back seat. And go Mean Green football; all others know that you are merely entertainment for me.

But will we?

Does anyone know any reason against either Terry or Tommy Bowden that would be considered across some line for us? I think I heard about some things concerning Terry and some affair, but it seems like that could have blown over after all those years. Or was it really a disappointing season that all the other stuff just came along to make a convenient excuse for certain alums to move him out?

I have a hard time believing the Hawaiians would choose meth over their own Maui wowie. Not meaning to dispute Dog, just wondering if it really is that rampant. Hawaii isn't that big; seems like meth would be a faster path to island fever. Disclaimer: I have no personal knowledge of any of this stuff, I have just heard things.

I think this thread is only torturing us; I'm surprised the mods haven't taken it down. Oh, wait.

Well, I almost can't believe it, after all these years, the Rangers finally winning something in the post season. Just proves that anything is possible. Never give up Mean Green faithful!

Thanks, guys.

So is this being televised? I have Time Warnercable in the Mid Cities, with some sports channels.

Somewhere in this process, a risk will be taken; I'm not one to say "never" to hiring an experienced assistant. I would like a coach who has had a lot of recruiting success.

Paper mill? Is that not as smelly as a pulp mill? Nothing like that Tacoma Aroma.

I'm cynical enought to think those playing positions for which we're short handed (DT, CB) are more likely to be kept on the field.

What about drawing 2 inside cards to get a royal flush in 7 card stud? I mean is any of us really figuring out the odds.?

I've got to agree with President Rawlins on this one; start winning wherever we are before worrying about a new conference.

Oh, well, I guess we've gotten as good an "answer" as we'll get on this one: Per Vito, McCoy sat for disciplinary reasons.

Man, I think you killed that myth dead!

Hey, many of us do. I guess we were disappointed to expect, based on what Dodge said Monday, to see him play more last Saturday, rather than completely disappear. Another time when I and others here see things differently from the coaches. And I know those you mentioned did make notable contributions; however, one DE under the "ETC" made one of the strangest defensive plays I have seen anyone at any level of football make. He did get into their backfield (which may have also been their endzone at that time), but maybe forgot the part about pressuring the QB.

Well, you are correct, although he was not listed among the starters, he was given credit for his 2 unassisted tackes on the first drive which did result in ULL scoring a TD. Both of those tackles were of Kevin Streeter, the first a run for 4 yards, the second for no gain, and the one I have to assume, where Streeter was knocked out of the game. Also, he had credit for an assisted tackle on their first drive of the second half, in which ULL also scored, and in the list of individual defensive statistics he also had our only credit for a blocked pass (I'm assuming that it's for a blocked pass, and not for the blocked field goal at the end of the 3rd quarter, which kept ULL from going up by 17 points, thus keeping us in the game at 14 down, with only the blocked xp kick keeping us from playing in overtime. I'm thinking you and I not that far apart in our thinking at this point; and I have not really thought McCoy could just go in and produce a game changing sack at will, as he seemed to do in the FAU game. However, we have to give him credit for that, as well as for helping keep us in the ULL game with the blocked FG attempt. Also, if the defensive statistics were indicating a pass block (not the FG block) in that game, I have to consider that some pressure, and it seems that he was in the game when Craig Robertson sacked their QB, forcing them to punt, giving us the possession that we used to bring it within 1 point. Maybe he was causing them to focus on McCoy some, letting Robertson get free for the sack. Bottom line here, he has made some key plays when he's in the game, although, I must agree with you after looking at the drive charts that we still haven't found what it would take to keep from giving up that touchdown on our opening defensive drive. Really, it would have helped in the last 2 games (when we had the first possession) if our offense had not gone without scoring on our first drive against ULL, (getting it down to their 38 before losing 8 yards on a sack and having to punt), and turned it over with the fumble at our 21 in our opening drive against Arkansas State. And I still maintain that whatever McCoy did or didn't do in the ULL game, that he did enough to play him some against Arkansas State. The problem is those situations, as I see it, is that we're short handed on offense, and although playing well statistically on defense, our offense is not strong enough to play from behind to start out every game. If our defense and special teams are to step it up, as it must for us to win, we need to have big defensive and special teams plays; McCoy has made at least a couple of those.

Either that, or "Hey, we really did need a new stadium".

A ton? I recall him going in (looked like he was asking to be sent in) late in the game. Still, the trend of the defense coming up with key stops when he plays seemed to continue. And, even if they don't want to call him a "starter", maybe sending him in as "part of the rotation" on the first defensive series would be worth a try. I mean, it's either been giving up a big play (sometimes first play from scrimmage), a long drive, or a short drive (after a fumble recovery in the last game) to result in a touchdown on the first defensive series of every game so far this year. What could trying something different hurt?

Honestly, the whole thing reminds me of the way I felt after the Texas Rangers brought up Sammy Sosa from the minors for the first time and he was lights out, and so they traded him for a bunch of guys nobody has ever heard of since.

Not yet; some, myself among them, have given it a try.

Yes, and also June Jones failed to honor prior commitments made before Bennett was fired. I think this all means that bottom line, as far as players who will ever wear the UNT uniform, we're done recruiting until a new head coach is named.

I've been thinking for a while that this topic has been worn out, although Dodge could have handled it better. It does point out a real problem in recruiting, since, as already pointed out, it is typical for newly hired head coaches NOT to honor previous commitments. If everyone is already (safely enough) betting Dodge will not be here as HC after the end of the season, it makes it easy for potential recruits to avoid committing to North Texas. A guy in our office had a son who had committed to a PAC school a couple of years back. When the HC at that school got fired, my coworker was doing his best to get the son to get in touch with other schools. Sure enough, that offer was not honored.