MeanMag

This game is what makes rivalries.

It will have been 5 in a row and a Top 25 team. The arrow was pointed upward before the first half of this game. There's a lot of people talking about the recent wins coming against bad teams. We got better somewhere along the way between now and at the beginning of the year and the bad teams we played at the beginning of the year. This current team could win some of those early games. Some switch has flipped. Like I said - I am Littrell's biggest hype man as long as we keep winning.

Such a miserable comment

Hope we can start completing our tackles instead of just expecting people to fall down after you get an arm on them.

String of bullshit calls by these officials.

I think it is just one left after this year.

Right now - I am Littrell's biggest fan. Ask me again after the game.

Florida talking to Billy Napier at Louisiana?

Would it? FIU has that blueprint. I never want UNT to go through that again.

This is why we pay Wren "the big bucks".

He's right. There are/were a ton of injuries. Things could have gotten really bad. And I was full of gloom, too, because it didn't look like we would win another game. Things have turned around and there is credit to be handed out for that. I really want this coaching staff to have success here, because - They are here right now - I can't think of 2 better guys for these positions: - Phil Bennett is a defensive guru. He is in the perfect spot as a DC. - I love that Patrick Cobbs is our freaking RB coach. Those guys wouldn't be there without a HC that made that happen.

What if he beats an 11-1 UTSA also with wins over bums? Full disclosure: I am Seth’s hype man as long as he keeps winning. it appears the players haven’t given up and are playing hard for SL and PB. If the team hit a rough patch to start and have figured things out - I’d like to give them that benefit. Things could have spiraled pretty easily this season. And this team and these coaches appear to have turned a corner and have learned how to have the winners mentality half way through the season.

Same. We could be looking for someone new to turn things around - and he could already be on our roster. If he rips off 6 straight, after dealing with some of the injuries he has and getting young guys up to speed we could be in a really good situation next year. We just need to get a QB who doesn't miss wide open receivers getting behind the secondary.

Lots of talk about QB play, and some of it is warranted, but good WR play can make QBs look good. Having a walk-on as the best receiver on a field is cool, and somewhat of an issue. We need some guys who can get separation and not drop passes. I can’t believe it’s all on the QB.

I think maybe Clay Helton may be a fish out of water in Southern California. I think the big leap was Helton going to USC. Helton’s experience was all in the south east and east before USC, so this could be seen as a coming home. Maybe Helton was too good to pass up for GSU. It was a relatively quick hire for them.

Speaking of Georgia Southern - You want to talk about a school with very little patience for losing? Unless there is more to the story (which there probably is), Chad Lundsford won 10, 7, and 8 games and won 2 of the 3 bowl games they've been to in the past 3 years before going 1-3 to start the year. And they are going to hire USC's released head coach. Pretty decisive leadership there.

I think that’s probably a good way to put it, although I think Fuente is released at year’s end, already. Sonny Dykes is being linked to that job as a replacement. Clay Helton is rumored to be going to GSU. If UNT wants Fuente - this is going to be the year to do it, I think.

I think your point is valid, especially with GP. A lot to think about for him. I don’t know if there is a scenario where Fuente would hang around just another year at VT if there was a chance to start fresh and probably get 3-4 years of employment runway. He’s in year 6 at VT and probably has a good idea that a change is going to come within the next couple of years if things don’t turn around this year.

I think it’s going to cost tech that much to get rid of Matt Wells. TCU was paying Patterson that much per year. I could see them having to pay that much for a buyout.

I remember all of it. My point is - regardless of if there's a reasonable argument for the extension (and I think there was), you enter into every agreement with the understanding things may not go as planned and that's why there are mechanics for those scenarios built into the contract. UNT should be okay with exercising the mechanics and payouts laid out in the current contract and move on... unless UNT can't... and that's why all of you are concerned over a decision years ago extending a coach after a couple 9 win seasons. I feel like this is something UNT should be able to pay their way out of - because why would UNT take the risk if they couldn't pay? If you want to play the game - this could happen, no? Do you think it should not have been a situation UNT got into because UNT is not able to pay the way out of it? This UTSA extension says: "We have money to take risks". I want UNT to say, "We took a risk and we have money to pay for it and move on."

The one after two 9-win seasons in a row? I think Hayden Fry was the last coach that achieved that here. If there was ever a football coach here that deserved one, it seems SL did. Extending also shows the coaching world that we were willing to extend after some winning seasons. I think this would make the job more attractive? We just need to understand that not everything is going to work out like the contracts are drawn.

Seth was a great hire and did great things for the program for 3 years and now it is time to move on. It is that simple. Wish him the best. Let the next guy try. Todd Dodge was a bad hire. Every time a new coach walks in it is a breath of fresh air. It wears off after a few years and then people start bitching about bad hires, and UNT starts hanging on thinking things will turn around. It most likely will not. Then people start wondering if it is a culture. Our problem has been not being able/willing to pull a plug or let coaches go and try something new. Not letting Seth go to Kansas State wasn't a bad decision but it was, in hindsight, the wrong one. Make it clear when a coach comes in: You have 2 seasons to get above 4 wins, or we have to move on. After you are above 4 wins: 4 wins or less will get you fired 100% of the time, every time. No question. Work that into the contract if you want to. Set a bar. When you hit below it - move on. Every time.

I don’t care for it to be a place for coaches to stay. I want our head coaches to get hired by P5 programs that can pay twice what we can. I want to see a new coach every 3-4-5 years because the last one got hired away for money we can’t dream of paying.

I tend to agree. I wonder if we shouldn’t have just let him go and given the next up and comer a chance. Maybe Graham Harrell. See if we can get him hired by a larger program then hire the next guy. There seems to be a lot of excitement in the 2-3 years after hiring a new coach. If we can be in that perpetual cycle of getting coaches moved up quickly, maybe we can become an even more attractive spot to be for coaches and talent and perpetuate a culture of excitement and winning beyond the length of 1 new coach.

the worst i have ever seen, to be honest.