MeanMag

The one thing that makes me very very excited so far is offensively, we have yet to put together a complete performance. It seems like we always have 1 quarter where they are not right in every game. If we eliminate that, then we can be dangerous on that side of the ball. I have seen about 2 good quarters of defense all year.

You obviously didn't watch the game on tv. It drove me nutz.

I know we run everything out of the shotgun. But, we used that zone read about 10 times that game and twice in short ydg situations. When it is 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 and everyone knows whats coming why don't we line up under center and qb sneak or hand off at the line, instead of dropping back 4 yds? Wouldn't it be more effective? Let me know if I am being ignorant.

The TCU game was televised. Even the smallest games TCU plays have cameras at them. I wish that was the case for us.

Yea, you're right, we have a ton to be happy about tonight...

Rick, for the past week I have been agreeing with everything you post. WTF man?

and at least we don't have to have the board cluttered anymore about what qb to play. I firmly belisve the decision to start meager was because emmitt said so.

I totally like Vizza better than Meager, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Meager or Vizza wouldn't have mattered tonight.

well, we certainly didn't think we'd have the worst in the nation.

No better than Meager IMO. It still makes no difference. 4 turnovers in a half.

Well, I suppose if it is too soon to judge the defense after 4 games, then it should be too soon to demand to coach dodge that he changes QB's. And lets throw out what they did in the body bag games too. In fact, after 4 games, it still isn't clear whether Todd Dodge is human, or God.

Vizza IS almost twice as likely to throw a pick. Take the number of interceptions over the number of attempts and get a percentage. In those 2 games Vizza threw a pick 8.11% of the time. Daniel threw a pick 4.76% of the time. the number is actually 1.7 times more. But, you have me beat. It's really not that big of a difference. I didn't make up numbers to prove Meager needs to start. I did the math and it shows me that there is just about no difference between the 2. To be honest, I would love to see more of Vizza. But, since you are clearly are blinded by man love for Vizza, you would fail to see that. 2 is exactly 2 numbers away from 0. I was looking at passing stats, but if you want to include rushing, that's fine too. It's part of the game. You don't have to explain it to me, I know where you got it from, because I don't assume anything. You argument of getting our asses beat some huge number to 0 and some even bigger number than that to 7 or 14 is hilarious. Because, either way we still get our asses kicked, and it's still a beating to watch someone try to "figure it out" on game day. You assuming is what all of your arguments are based on. You are assuming you have a say in the matter. You are going to argue this point until you are red in the face, and it still isn't going to matter one damn bit. Let Dodge do his job, and you do yours. YOU WILL SEE VIZZA AGAIN. TRUST ME. If you can't wait until Saturday, then you know where they practice and you can see through the fence. You can even go and take pictures to hang above your bed at night. Again, I ask you: what difference does it make if he takes the 1st snap of the game, or the 1st snap of the 3rd quarter? I don't really care who the freaking Qb is. I wish one of them would step up and CLEARLY prove they are better than the other, but that hasn't happened. To me, Vizza does look more like a QB, but he still isn't getting it done. And, until he does, there is only one thing we can count on. We will continue to see a split QB situation until Riley Dodge gets here. If I am named a "mapologist" (gayest term ever), I should also be named a Vizza apologist, because who ever the QB is going to be, he's going to make some plays we will all be sorry for.

That is a sweet post. Nice job.

Now we are getting somewhere in this discussion. Taking an honest to god look at both of them. They both had almost equal playing time in the games combined. They have made almost the same amount of attempts. Meager also has the longest scramble of them in the 2 games. (24yds) Vizza has a long of 9 yds. Vizza is almost twice as likely to throw an INT Meager is 1.7 times as likely to complete a pass Vizza throws for near twice as many yards per completion, but since he completes less he only really throws for 1.5 times as many yds total. I'll be the first to admit that Vizza looks more comfortable, and more confident. But if he can't even give receivers a chance to make plays, and throws ints, what's the point? It just puts our defense back on the field more. And that is the LAST thing we need.

Okay Passing OU and Ark. games combined for imperativeness purposes. .................TD........INT......Completion %.......YDS................AVG/ Comp. Meager ......0...........2...............52.3...............179..................8.13 Vizza .........1...........3...............32.4...............242..................20.16 Still a wash if you ask me. Circle yds per completion if you want. Vizza is also almost twice as likely to throw an INT as Meager is.

The answer is, you wouldn't be fixing it. I pray to god Vizza is the guy everyone says he is. Right now, I haven't seen it. Meager Vizza TD 4 1 INT 8 3 Comp % 63.5 32.4 YDS / Att. 6.47 6.54 QB rating 116.2 80.1 Here's what I don't get with you, Emmitt. You act like it's as clear as day which one should start. AND IT'S NOT. It's not worth arguing. It's so damn close and not even relevant. Leave the fact that there are other huge problems out and you still have an irrelevant topic/argument. You are trading one problem (which really isn't a problem at all) for another when it really makes no difference, other than one has played before and one hasn't. I don't even understand why you want him to be the starter. What difference does it make if he takes the first snap of the 1st quarter, or the 1st snap of the 3rd? You will see him again this season, I can guarantee it. You haven't lost your chance to get an autograph, take pictures and pitch a tent for Giovanni yet. He's going to be here for 3 more years, and he's going to play more this season. So ADMIT that it makes not one damn bit of difference, and deal with it for at least until we are out of the conference race. Then, I'm sure Dodge will be more willing to listen to the fans and play who we want, instead of ignoring us like that last coach did, because we know what's best. Just because Rick V. cares what we say doesn't mean Todd Dodge has to. He's got more important things to do, like prepare to win.

That's my point. No one really knows... I haven't seen ULALA at all this season.

And, full of crap. I know Meager has no points against OU and UA. I know Vizza has 17. REALLY, it doesn't make that much difference to me. I DON'T CARE WHO STARTS. 17 points is of no significance to me. I just want a football team to be proud of and the difference in QB's won't do that for me. We aren't going to turn those losses into respectability with something as simple as a QB change.

It's horrible that after 4 games and 2 days before an away game the best football talk we have going on is about high school teams.

I'm inclined to say no. In the 2 losses that we were ahead by 2 touchdowns early it didn't seem to help. Those teams stretched the field and scored at will on us anyway, and won. If you want a good example of the phenomenon you are presenting I would tell you to look at the Dallas Cowboys this year. You'd have a very good argument with them.

There is no QB competition. Meager is the starter, and I'm actually okay with that this year. (unlike last year). Emmitt, I really like your opinion on a lot of matters, but it seems like the QB just gets all your attention. It did when Scott Hall / Andrew Smith were here. Clearly, we know you like rooting for the guy who isn't a starter, and that's fine. Move on though, because until we are lose 2 more games in conference I don't see anything changing. Have some patience. But it doesn't really matter what I think, or what you think, and that's a good thing. Dodge is the head coach, and he knows a hell of a lot more about these 2 guys than you or I, or anyone else on this board does. I also agree with Smitty, don't chant Vizza-Vizza-Vizza when Meager is out there. It's as childish as flinging poop at people. It's as bad as booing the refs on the right call. It's as gay as throwing tortillas on the field. It's as dumb as yelling "NORTH-TEXAS" on offensive possesions. And, it's as stupid as completely giving up on your team, and the people in charge. Most of all, it might be the most classless thing you could possibly do, short of putting the team in black jerseys.

Gagreed.

Just because Mendoza can shut down Dodge's offense doesn't mean that he can shut down anyone. It's already been proven 4 times. I really hope he gets it together and has an epiphany sometime this season, but using that as a reason for hiring him in the first place doesn't cut it in my book. I want a defense that can shut down more than just one type of offense. I really want a coach on our staff, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, with some skins on the wall.

thanks for that. It is Evyn to my knowledge.

In addition, for all of you new comers and all of you folks who want to give the defense time... I don't know how long you have been watching North Texas football but the reason some of us are so frustrated with our defense is that we know what THESE kids are capable of. These same players played much better last year. They have proven they have what it takes to be a decent defense. So, I am absolutely NOT buying the "let Dodge get his guys in here" argument. They have no excuses. They have already shown us that they are playing below capabilities. I will be there next Saturday to yell and lift them up on the field. I am in no way saying they are giving up, that I am giving up, that they don't care, or that I don't care. I am merely saying that this is the reason some of us are impatient with the defense. As for Evyn Roman. I have said many times that if we had 11 Evyn Romans hard headed play on defense we would be a better defense than the one we are now.