Side.Show.Joe

1. A 5 game winning streak against 4 bums and UTSA. 2. You are happy about a .500 record, that is why we call it old Denton. For forty years Old Denton's philosophy has dominated UNT football. 3.Division titles are not championships. Since Littrell was hired his stated expectation is to compete for championships. We still have zero of those. No conference championships and no bowl championships. 4. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm looking at the total body of work. You are choosing to ignore everything but the last 5 games. 5. The same thing was said after last season, but now Old Denton wants to move the goal posts again because Littrell is still under preforming. 6. No being content with mediocrity makes you Old Denton. 7. UNT could never go back to the Dodge days. Our athletic budget is 3 times larger than it was in the Dodge days. Dodge earned around $275,000 a season. Seth steals almost $2 million a year. Also another reason standards need to go up around here. 8.Littrell didn't raise the standards at UNT... Growing our athletic budget to $40 million did. Paying Littrell $2 million a year did. Building the new facilities did. Moving to the American did. Littrell just hasn't lived up to his stated goals.

It's not about agreeing with me. It's about having an actual standard and holding people accountable. There are plenty of people on this board and in our fan base that have different expectations for success, but are New Denton. The point is they have standards. Old Denton is just way too content with mediocrity.

I clearly stated that the UTSA win was our only quality win. Just because I pointed out that we had advantages in that game doesn't discount the fact that it was a quality win.

It's all important. And the overall total of Littrell's body of work (the wins and the losses) just isn't good enough.

The way I see it, your faction wants it divided. I'm not ignoring the first half of Littrell's tenure. I count all of those bowl losses, and the zero conference titles he won at that time too. We have a different standard of success. Nothing is going to change that.

Basically, if you think .500 after 6 seasons is good enough to coach at UNT, you are Old Denton. If you believe zero conference championship, zero bowl wins, and a .500 record after 6 seasons isn't good enough to keep you happy, and you want change... you are New Denton. It's not about age or even how many years you've been a fan. It is about standards. McCasland is New Denton.

Yup. Old Denton isn't interested in holding Littrell to a standard. They just want to keep moving the goal posts. Sorry. I couldn't find a gif where the posts are being moved closer so the ball will cross.

Couldn't agree more. It was a perfect storm for UNT to pick up that win (no pun intended). We played FIU the week before in a rainstorm at Miami. UTSA is a dome team and wasn't prepared for the conditions. The pressure of being undefeated was getting to them, and our players and crowd were pumped. Everything snowballed against UTSA that day, and they quit by halftime. In my opinion, it was the only quality win we had this season.

We beat 5 FBS teams this season. Only one of those teams was good. That's just the facts. UTEP was not a good win. UTEP got into a bowl but did it by only beating the bums on their schedule (New Mexico State 2-10, New Mexico 3-9, ODU 6-6, Southern Miss 3-9, LA Tech 3-9, & Rice 4-8). UTEP didn't beat a single team with a winning record this season. I look at the quality of the wins and losses. I can't help it if that isn't favorable to us. The facts justify my point. Had we beaten UAB by 30, we'd be a much better team with a much better record. I'd be off Littrell's back, and we wouldn't need to have this discussion. Unfortunately, Seth hasn't done his job and the data proves it.

I wonder if Wren is pissed at Brett for printing this 4 days before our bowl game?

It's pathetic to justify mediocrity. If Littrell is back next season, it will be a very divided fan base and board.

None of the Old Denton crowd want to talk about the first half of the season when we were facing real competition. They don't believe Littrell should be judged based on what he did against good teams.

No. I look at the total body of work over his 6 seasons at UNT, and the quality of those wins and losses. You just want to focus on the last 6 games and avoid the bulk of his disappointment. That's just not logical.

I disagree. The bowl won't really tell us anything. Miami OH is almost just like us... a 6-6- team with only one win over a team with a winning record. The only difference is that the good team they beat wasn't as good as UTSA, and the bowl is basically a home game for us. It's a perfect situation for Littrell to FINALLY win a bowl. A good 6th year G5 coach making $2 million a year doesn't need the stars to align just to have a shot at winning a bowl game.... and we're still a 3 point dog. There is no bowl outcome that would merit another season under Littrell.

There is no previous version of Littrell. He is what he is. One win over UTSA at Apogee in the pouring rain doesn't mean he has finally figured out anything. And I'm not interested in punishing anyone. I just want a better coach at UNT. I'm sick and tired of watching our team under preform year after year. Littrell has had his chance. .500 isn't good enough. I'm ready to build for the American. The bigger risk is hanging on to Littrell in hopes that he has figured out how to be a better coach. We can't afford to throw away another season under Seth.

I can't help it if too many Old Denton fans around here have no standards for our football program. If you don't want to read the truth, hold this coaching staff accountable for their .500 record after 6 seasons and demand they are fired.

Littrell got 2021 and we're still mediocre. He needs to go. A better coach should get more out of the talent we have, and bring in even higher caliber players.

Wow. 6-6 and it's his finest year. That alone should tell you he isn't the right coach. He loses to good teams and beats bad teams, most of the time. Sure we have the UTSA win, but that is the only quality win Littrell has picked up in several years.

I know it's really sad to see so many happily continue to back mediocrity. This Old Denton mentality is the reason why UNT remains a sleeping giant in football. What makes it even more astonishing is that the Mean Green fan base can see a real coach just across the street at the Super Pit. McCasland is building UNT a monster of a basketball program, but the same fans can't or won't see that Littrell isn't made from the same metal. Vito has to see the difference, right?

Littrell has not earned next year. Some of you have very low expectations around here for a 6th year coach. After 6 seasons Littrell is a .500 coach. Only at UNT is that considered deserving of another season. Marshall had the reigning C-USA coach of the year and they canned his butt. Old Denton needs to expect more. I know I expect more.

Wow... I hope Vito is just speculating about Littrell's future. I really don't want to think about this fight until after our bowl game Thursday. I'll just say Littrell isn't good enough to successfully lead UNT into the American, and anyone that is being honest with themself knows it. I hope our administration makes the right move and we can finally build a winner that contends for conference titles. Old Denton can begin down-voting my post now. Ha!

Make no mistake, the players we recruit in this class will be playing against an American schedule in the near future. Some of you may not think this is fair, but I will be comparing this class against the other 5 C-USA programs that are moving with us, and the remaining members of the AAC. A move up in conference must be matched with a move up in talent and expectations. It is our coach's job to insure that we are bringing in quality recruits that can win in the AAC. I hope we don't get disappointed with the results when this recruiting class is finally full.

I called the UNT ticket office today and ordered my tickets. I guess we'll see how the seating is assigned. Since it's based on priority points, I imagine many of us long time supporters will be in the same section at midfield.

I applaud your commitment. Maybe Wren should get you to lead the team onto the field for the game. In your hospital gown and carrying the battle flag if possible. I sure ESPN's commentators would enjoy the topic and you might get a helmet stick on College Gameday Final. On a side note... I hope your surgery goes well. 🙂

That stadium is probably too small for us to play a bowl in. Maybe we have a plan, and we're waiting to sell it out quickly and generate some press and controversy by moving it to Apogee. Miami (OH) would not be happy.