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The only silver lining I took away was when Tom Herman (Commentator for the game) said, "I spoke with the AD yesterday" and for a moment I pictured him saying to him, "I could do better for half what you're paying your guy." Not saying Herman is/would/could/should be our next HC but there was a glimmer of hope that perhaps the AD talking football with a guy who's led bigger programs at higher levels with more success, that it may have turned on a light in the AD's head that there other HC candidates in the world if we let SL go. At the very least, if I were in WB's shoes, I would've invited Herman for a drink in the suite after the game to get his thoughts on the game. The AD is not a football person, like him or not, tom Herman is, getting feedback and insight from a guy like that who's unlikely to have any interest in the job could have provided a deeper insight and perspective for the AD; this is assuming the AD is humble and is committed to continual growth and learning.

I have enough respect for him (WB) right now for the work he's done as a whole with our program to say "he doesn't have the fortitude to make a coaching change right now." If I didn't have that respect for him, I'd say "he doesn't have the balls to do it." Both are true but he's earned enough respect from me to give hime a break on the bashing for the moment. Today, most are talking about SL, but that will change quickly to people talking about the AD, as this post appropriately points out.

Mass chaos? (GIVE ME A BREAK!) What on earth is your definition of "Mass Chaos" - the closest and ONLY thing close to mass chaos with regards to a coach of a sports team being fired IMO would be when Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry and buddy, Littrell aint no Landry and them 'Boys went on to win two Super Bowls (with a new coach and new players 🤔). Yes - can be negotiated down but this is a fact not worth debating at this point. If you're on the side of replacing our HC now or ever over the past few seasons as I and many others have been: WE REALIZE THIS AND ARE OK WITH THAT! The reaction from MANY is from the past few years. It's not like overnight or after the game yesterday people began to think, "Maybe it's time to go a different direction." For YEARS now, years, not weeks, not months but it's years now that many on this board have been calling for this. Simply not wanting a coach fired doesn't give you or anyone the monopoly or moral high ground when it comes to caring about players or student-athletes. You can still want change in the program and the HC replaced and care about the players - this self-righteous nonsense is pathetic. TL;DR: OP believes mass chaos will ensue if UNT makes a personnel move, misses the points many on the board have been making for years, attempts to moralize argument with caring about players at the end.

We've played this game the past two seasons and off seasons.... Always plenty of options available when you are and have been heading the wrong direction.

What they're saying (Commentators) about the Mean Green with 10 mins left: "You want to be respectful towards the Mean Green and not keep it up tempo..... you want to be respectful" SMDH

I'm with ya! LOL - I wait in anticipation for the ball busting towards the Fire Seth Fan Club 🤣

We could probably skip to either: What sense does it make to fire him now....... OR Let's see how this plays out..... The way I see it: Wren didn't have the fortitude to do it at the end of last season and doesn't have it in him to do it now.

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Was in class and worked with Thomas, hilarious dude and was also an Eagle Ambassador giving tours and was an outstanding and hilarious representative..... Worth a vote if you have a moment: https://simplyc360.us.launchpad6.com/wildcard13/entry/76?fbclid=IwAR0-wvN-S0wK8lHiRsXTlw-dMRtUfsnQY_BXYwCHi1ft54hviD7yTfU-etg

A trophy for the double-entendre enthusiasts 🤣

Haven't been able to make it down for a game in a while and am wondering what the pre-game atmosphere, tailgating, bbq's etc. are looking like...... Post any and all pictures here to share the good vibes prior to kick off!!! GO MEAN GREEN! TIA

Do we have anyone on here from the College of Merchandising, Hospitality & Tourism? I'm inclined to believe dollars and cents may have prevailed in this case, though it may be time to test the waters again? Floor space in a store is measured by return on investment (ROI), and all of these stores have metrics and analytics when it comes to product placement. To that end, I think these are the questions most warranted: What's the projected profit margin on UNT gear vs. current items on the floor? Does the bottom line ($) make sense to put UNT gear out? What's the history with having UNT gear on the floor? When was it? What was the outcome? Is it worth doing again? Is there a deal to be made where UNT provides the product and pays a premium to display the items for a certain period of time to show there is value to the store ($) for stocking, displaying, and selling these items? An option may be to pay to have our product there if it's not profitable to the store, not sure that's a wise use of funds. It may not be profitable at this moment in time but as the AD and his staff continue to build the brand, it may be more of a timing issue with now not being the most opportune time from an ROI stand point. TL;DR: It may not make sense financially right now. Dollars and cents matter, ROI matters in product placement. The way the AD + Staff have been growing the brand, we are on our way to seeing this happen when it does make sense from a $$ stand point. ---- Additional Background ---- The following is from this article: The Ultimate Guide to In-Store Product Placement in 2020 What is In-Store Product Placement? In-store product placement is the art of determining where your products appear within a retailer through planning, negotiation, and design. It also concerns the spatial analysis of shelving and the use of planograms, which are visual representations of product shelving that help merchandisers maximize capacity. Effective in-store product placement will boost brand recognition and maximize sales. Factors to consider when formulating a strategy include where the majority of the foot traffic is in the store, the size of the store and the shelving available, and what items are also being sold in your category. Additionally, in-store product placement consists of strategies employed by field marketing and sales teams such as the organizing and tracking of placed products and the restocking of shelves that become empty. Retail Product Placement Paying for space, paying to stay, and paying to limit rival shelf space are easier for companies with bigger reputations. For newer brands, fighting for prime real estate on the store shelves is much more challenging. To avoid “new product failure” in retail product placement, we’ve got some tips below: Co-brand your display Target a failing competitive brand Know your unique prime shelf real estate Consider the broker option Build clout “Eye level is buy level”

WHAT???? LMFAO I get what you're saying here, but......... yeah..... Ironic indeed 😭 There's probably a better way to go about making your point that even the smallest house on the most expensive street has a higher value than the biggest house on the least expensive street. I'm saying the taxes on our small house on the most expensive street are no longer sustainable and keeping the house for looks is no longer realistic.

THE GOALS ARE SO HIGH AND THE VISION SO CLEAR WITH THIS ONE It takes millions every year to compete - look around, you'll see the amount of money committed to this already. BTW, very soon, ESPN will no longer have a reason to broadcast college football and basketball games, especially the streams which mostly come at a loss, that money to mid-majors is the next to go, or the deals restructured for a lot less $$ (create a separate thread if you want a deep dive into this).

I made this point several months ago in a thread about the NIL being the end, that we can't keep up, regardless of what we try to do. To be fair, some people said, save it for another day (it wasn't too long after the end of the football season) and the mood was pretty glib to say the least so I did. Now that everyone seems to be caught up, what does the future for UNT Football with the NIL look like? First of all, the NIL is bolstered by State and Federal Laws, it aint going anywhere, no matter what or who wants to vote otherwise in college athletics (there's a reason why the NCAA never wanted to go down this road and some people still can't seem to make this connection, maybe the politicians looking for votes should've gone elsewhere but clearly not enough people understand this so they got their votes and college athletics got the NIL) Second, it might be surprising but a Rec & Leisure Studies undergraduate class at UNT predicted this entirely in 2009/10 and the point was made that UNT would be better off investing in basketball at the time and becoming a basketball school - take that debate anyway you want, hindsight is 20/20 but apply it to today and how the NIL is and will continue to shape the college recruiting landscape, paying for 12 players is a lot more palpable than paying for football players. Finally, how much are we willing to waste to stay DI? I'm not happy about it but if you have any common sense and can see, even a few years into the future, the gambit is over, the Power 5 and "Haves" have won, it's a futile and naive effort to believe UNT can compete in the new "NIL-NCAA" Era (PERIOD). Pro leagues have salary caps for a reason: parity and revenue sharing saved the NFL and is the benchmark for the most succesful pro leagues in the world = THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH THE NIL/NCAA ERA - THE LAW MAKES THAT IMPOSSIBLE (AND TO TRY WOULD BE ILLEGAL - think here, if I need to spell it out, I will but don't distract from the point) What's the point? IT'S TIME TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER BY WAY OF AN ACTUAL STUDY WHICH CAN BE ONE IN-HOUSE BY UNT GRADUATE AND UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS OF TRANSITIONING TO DII SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND THE COST OF DOING SO VERSUS NOT DOING SO - ALL FACTORS TO BE INCLUDED. I'm talking about a business decision that is the best decision for the University moving forward. I'm talking about being a realist vs. idealist. I'm talking about being responsible. I'm talking about forward thinking. I'm talking about reading the writing on the wall. Do I want this? NO Is it avoidable? YES - By someone or some group coming up with MILLIONS of dollars every year in NIL money for UNT Student Athletes. Is that possible? NO - that's the bottom line and Stone Cold doesn't need to say so, it's sooo obvious! So what are we going to do? Probably the most irresponsible thing: Bury our heads in the sand, avoid the inevitable, keep paying out fat salaries and burning money to try and keep (what exactly, I'm not sure) alive, and then in a few years and millions of dollars wasted, say, "well, we tried." GO D2 AND DOMINATE EARLY FOR A BETTER FUTURE! BS - You don't need a crystal ball for this one, just a delusional perspective.

With you 100% - as long as it's not defined by attending games in person. Support comes in many forms for a variety of reasons..... I just don't like seeing people beat up for not showing up, regardless of reason, they can still support the team, want the team do well etc. without physically being there.

STRAIGHT UP! We used to have some awesome tailgates, a couple seasons we set up a volleyball court by the tennis courts on the corner across from the Fouts Field parking lot and across from the Super Pit, that's where we'd tailgate..... 40lbs of Fajita Chicken from La Azteca was standard, briskets, fried turkeys which almost burnt down some small tree that was there on the corner, an early morning (4am or 5am) setup, Landshark was the breakfast beer, we'd feed the cops, everyone was welcome walking down from the Super Pit parking lots, once had an Alum of atleast 60-70 years of age randomly Shotgun a beer we gave him (his wife of the same age showed no expression of surprise, this was a thing for him I guess haha) that got us fired up for the game!!..... Tailgating with friends and family wins the day, everyday!

Seeing this topic brought up many times over the years and starting to come back again and wanted to share my observations from living in the North Texas area for eight years and having season tickets to the Dallas Cowboys at Texas Stadium and a few in AT&T Stadium, and a half season package with the Mavs after they made the Finals (didn't renew after they choked in the first round the following year) and the Dallas Desperados until they choked an undefeated season away in the first round of the playoffs! Here's some food for thought (or chum for the dumb, depending on your perspective): 1) North Texas (the geographic area) fans will support a winner, regardless of sport or level. There's pictures and stories from the Brahmas hockey team and the junior hockey team in Frisco (Tornadoes) that reflect a sold out arena when they're winning and pitifully empty when they don't. 2) Even when winning, fans show up late. Countless times at various games from the Mavs to Stars to the Cowboys, it may be half full through the first quarter or period and then it fills up -the social phenomenon of "being seen" is at play a lot but this is part of the identity of the fans in the area. 3) Having season tickets does not make you more of a fan and not having them doesn't make you less of a fan. 4) Canceling UNT season tickets when you haven't moved to a different location and especially if you have had them for consecutive years does send a message. The message is: what you're selling, is no longer worth it. (absent articles saved on this topic in my database, google scholar has many studies on ticket sales at sporting events, down to P5, Mid-Major sports specifically, including mine I believe on UNT MBB ticket sales from way back when) 5) You can support your team from the comfort of your own home, let no one shame you into paying for something you've already deemed not worthy of your hard earned moolah. 6) I have nothing to cite for this but I'm confident that if you don't renew your season tickets next year, the same or similar and perhaps better location at a lesser price can be had after the 2022 season. 7) "Go for the sake of supporting the student-athletes kids players" - either everything in life is to be earned and not given or there is some pity clause that exists and extends to adults in college ranging in age from 18-23 who play sports, disguised as children in college uniforms with fragile egos which demands of society to pay money out of pity which allows them a free round of bull sh*t disguised as "support." Mothers, fathers, family, friends by all means support your players and love them unconditionally (I genuinely mean that), do not expect of society to do the same. This is not how it works, sports be damned! Move past the sanctimonious dribble of reeling of the sacrifices, challenges, or adversity athletes face and appreciate that life, regardless of circumstance, is transactional by nature and a either an event or team is worth the price of admission or it's not. if you think it is worth it, great, go and enjoy, and if you don't, don't be a sucker: JUST SAY NO! #NoMeansNo ------------- Finally, this archaic belief in fandom that professes you mush "show up" no matter what or you'll be cast away in to the nether-reaches of fair-weatherness is a page directly out of PT Barnum's playbook. For those too young to know who PT Barnum is, all you need to know is that he coined the American maxim, "There's a sucker born every minute" and for decades since, suckers have bought everything from the "shake weight" (pictured below) to Coach Littrell coaching the North Texas Mean Green Football team for a 7th season, hoping (praying) to avoid a fourth straight losing season and 6th bowl loss for those of you rooting for a .500 season - talk about a double-entendre for #Hit6 - ya heard it here first. If you purchased the shake weight, save yourself from further canvassing the depths of suckerdom and watch the Mean Green from the comfort of your own dwelling in 2022, where you can change the channel after the first quarter, pour yourself a Mighty Mean Green Margarita and watch a good football game/team on any other channel. The aforementioned shake weight: And PT Barnum: ------ I'm not advocating for the purchase or non-renewal of anything, but some people beat others up on this topic as if there were some well of "fun money" in everyone's bank account. Also, during one of our better years in football I was coaching overseas and with the time difference most of games started at 2am where I was at and between the Amazon Firestick and ExpressVPN I could catch most games. This meant rearranging my sleep schedule to watch some good UNT football and it was worth it - buying tickets or going to a game in person is great if you can afford and want to go, but if you can't and don't want to, your fandom cannot be criticized for choosing to save your money. I guess that was the point, if you feel criticized for canceling tickets for not going to games in person for any reason, this should help you find some perspective, if not an ally, and one that believe questioning another's fanhood or putting conditions on what constitutes a fan is clown-talk and we are not suckers to be bribed by false hope and superlative-laden mumbles.

👏 I've resisted trashing Vito for years and thought it was about to end with this doozy of a post.... THANK YOU!!!!! 👏 The "peak-lather" to top it off had me like:

I think the word adversity has a lot of different meanings/applications depending on your circumstance so it's going to generate a lot of different feelings between individuals. I've chosen to define tough times and circumstances with my teams as "challenges" and use adversity only when talking about events and situations outside of sports (life events). First by 18 years old, most understand that life's not fair. Then they realize first hand life's not fair and at some point they'll stop bitching about this fact, stop making excuses, begin to face challenges head on, be gracious towards others, learn from defeat, get back on their feet and realize the tougher life is, the better you become at it; life doesn't get easier, you just get better at it (heard this somewhere and it stuck). I'm not nitpicking at any coach that uses this term with their team or any player. A lot have, do and will in references to challenges their team faces, I just think it should be reserved for the most serious circumstances in life. There's a psychological approach to how we define things..... perspective is important in all aspects of coaching, as are the words and their implications. To that end, an adverse time would be the death of a teammate unexpectedly, it's a cross-section of life and sports. Looking at what some have mentioned thus far, injuries, loosing streaks, abandonment by fans/supporters, unfair criticism on social media, these things may be challenging to block out and focus on the task at hand but to call this adversity I think would be a stretch (the digital lynching I think is regarding a recruit, but not sure so didn't include it). I look to the student body as a whole for a comparison, feel free to trade your athletic scholarship, workouts, practice, film session and games with a student working full time or maybe one or two jobs to pay bills, buy food, still carry student-debt, and you both have the same amount of homework, classwork etc. - everyone's got a choice to make, if your situation as a student athlete is too much, there's an alternative, but again, it comes down to perspective.