Meangreen Fight

Tell me you didn't read "I don't think this can happen" without telling me. 🙄. Orr coming here as Head Coach is possible. Lane Kiffin went from NFL head coach to head coach at FAU. Deion Sanders went to FCS Jackson State. National Championship winning Head Coach went to UTSA. But thank you for highlighting how shitty UNT fans think our coordinator positions are. But in the same thread get scolded for suggesting hiring 2 respected experience high school coaches for taking the shitty job. 😆

Half Sarcasm and Half Not. This program vasilates from throwing money around to pleading poverty. The only reason this program has been so bad over the last 20 years is bad leadership. They aren't dumb they are playing some political game most fans are not pivy too. Coach Dodge should have retained most of Dickey's defensive staff and had more FBS experience on his staff from day one. Coach Mac should not have been allowed to bring a Stone Age offense in with him. Coach Littrell should have never been extended multiple times without winning anything. And Eric Morris should not have been allowed to bring in a gimmicky 3-3-5 just because it frustrated EM's offenses the most (in his opinion). EM should be gone at the end of the season to be sure but they gave him the rope to hang himself. 🤷🏽‍♂️. So bring in high school coaches onto the defensive staff and we might get lucky. Because in 2025 I am 90% certain this will be just like Seth's last year: 2025 EM Team will Predictable underachievement looking pretty much the same as the last 2024 team. I predict a slightly better defense in spots, a slight dropoff in offense and flirting with 0.500 most of 2025. If only EM was the QB recruiter & QB coach under Seth we might have a few bowl wins 😆.

For all the decisions after that weather aided win over UTSA, a 2025 season without 9 regular seasons or a bowl game being the 9th win should get everyone but Patrick Cob fired. Like others have pointed out, being a DC under a coach on the hot seat is not likely to be a stable position attractive to DCs that are covetted. So either you bring in a DC with an extended contract as the HC in waiting or you just roll the dice with a less experienced DC. I don't this can happen, but I would like Zach Orr. I want to see a 2026 or 2027 with Patrick Cobb and Zach Orr at the helm. Either one as Head Coach and the other as Assistant HC and coordinator for their side of the ball. Eric Morris just isn't ready to be a head coach at this level. If we were still in CUSA or contending with programs like Southern Miss, La Tech, UTEP, Rice, ULM, South Alabama and Texas State it might be a different story. In AAC and above coaching, talent elevation is just too good to achieve anything significant with one side of the ball that has NOTHING it does well consistently. Hell if they could just tackle people aren't walking out early 3rd quarter.

I really think everyone is overthinking it. Find a defensive leaning high school head coach in the state of Texas near the I-35 & I-45 corridor. Bring him and another defensive coach from the high school level he respects most. Because defensive players we have need more one-on-one attention to just be decent. So the only way to increase that one-on-one time with limited practice time by NCAA rules is more coaching bodies. I also think that having coaches fresh from the high school ranks are better scouts for targeting talent that can be flipped from offense to defense.

Diving deeper on this team is bad for your health and your fandom. 😆Not much of what they do and who they chose to hire, retain and pay makes much sense. Retaining Seth that last year set all this up. Clearly only a financial decision cause he lived up to expectations and made no progress. The anamoly was the weather aided UTSA win. They used that as an excuse (escaping some fan scrutiny) to keep Coach Littrell. @GMG_Dallas has some great observations here and it is impressive that he is still a fan. I can't dive that deep or else I will freaking blow a gasket. I might go to the ECU game just because the tickets will be so cheap.

I really want people to read this: https://meangreensports.com/honors/north-texas-athletics-hall-of-fame/odus-mitchell/3 This man was and still is very much under appreciated here. I love the legend of Mean Joe anyone under 50 can remember seeing prime NFL Mean Joe playing. There is no Joe Greene in a North Texas uniform without Odus Mitchell. We have low expectations because with dismiss what Mitchell showed us was possible here. Heaps of excuses and disgruntled fans attacking each other on our board. Odus Mitchell is the kind of "Old Denton" I want. And MAYBE if we truly honored him properly and consistently as the MOST IMPORTANT FIGURE in Mean Green Football history we could knock off some of the negative karma. The Mean Joe Coke commercial is cute but is never something remotely associated with UNT Football without Mitchell rebuilding the program from WWII hiatus, winning, integrating CFB in Texas, and bringing Mean Joe to Denton. Hayden Fry doesn't have enough in Denton to come and rescue without Mitchell. How this program has underachieved for 20 years is an insult to his legacy imo. I wasn't alive for his tenure and likely you weren't either. But legacy is about what you can read about when there aren't cute videos!

I don’t know why we are nitpicking the legacy of the only coach in 50 years that has put multiple team trophies in our trophy case. If you omit coaches who earned Hall of Fame status after leaving here you are left with Odus Mitchell and Dickey as the only coaches to ever “dominate” any conference for any length of time. Now looking back through history I am even more frustrated that in 2004 it appears we never tried to get Jerry Moore to come back to UNT. But come to think of it, maybe it is karma. A program that raves about Hayden Fry every opportunity rarely honor Odus Mitchell properly. A 20 year tenure with 10 conference titles. We should be playing on Odus Mitchell Field inside (DATCU, Apogee, or whatever corporation that wants cough up naming rights money) stadium. To the Vomiting Eagle Reaction care to elaborate why? Do you not know who Jerry Moore is and what he accomplished at App State after leaving NTSU in 1981? Mitchell rebuilding the program out of WWII not impressive along with integrating the program on the way to 10 conference titles and 7 consecutive wining seasons? Texas Longhorns play at DKR. DKR coached 19 seasons at UT Mitchell 20 at UNT DKR 11 conference titles Mitchell 10 conference titles

I agree with the reason why most of our alumni don’t care. However I don’t agree with why our administration doesn’t care. I think they want to win on the cheap and not rock the boat with Old Denton. If they wanted to win they would publicly pursued and likely hired one of the high profile younger coaches that made a stop in one of our old conferences or FCS. Lane Kiffin, Larry Coker, Major Applewhite, Dat Nguyen (as a DC), Kevin Sumlin, Doug Williams, Howard Schnellenberger, Briles, Gary Patterson, June Jones, Deion Sanders or etc. Now if Zach Orr becomes a FBS head coach without going directly to a program that has not won multiple P5/P4 conferences title or New Years 6 bowls since 1980 without his agent getting a call from UNT it won’t be a surprise. The only coach hire I was ever slightly excited for was Dan McCarney. I have followed this team as a knowledgeable CFB fan for 25 years.

Why not because it appears they are clueless? Doing things outside the box might yield some results and at least show fans you are really trying without regard for “Old Denton”. Old Denton wasn’t invested in winning, just some sort of vague local relevancy I am not sure is possible without consecutive 10 win seasons no matter the teams we have on the schedule.

Very much so and without a bowl win at any serious program bringing him in conjunction with a never finishing a season above 0.500 would get you fired. We don’t have body bag games maybe we should bring them back to help test and finance the cost of bad coaching hires. 😂

Appreciated. 😁

The Pit was living up to it name in a bad way the last time I went. A drive to Denton during on a week day is not something I can easily fit in my schedule. Is the contruction inside finished? Are the concessions lines short enough not to have me miss 1/4 of game time waiting in line for bad food? The students and Denton locals should be packing out Pit for games not during the holidays. I appreciate and respect the pitch. But in a football thread you are likely preaching to the converted or people who can’t travel to Denton so easily during the week. Weekend games after FBS and NFL seasons are over and holiday break games are my only real option for attending a basketball game. 🤷🏽‍♂️

The question is do you? Or are a friend or family members with some of the overseers of this mediocrity?

How eloquent. Maybe you didn’t read my suggestion for going after a home grown Defensive Coach and Mean Green Letterman Zach Orr. Or getting rid of Eric Morris in a productive fashion, letting him “resign” to be a P4 OC. But hey that is whining to you. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I so want to be in person with Eric Morris and tell him exactly why he was stupid to question”where are the fans”. The fans are beaten down and don’t expect anything more than flirting with bowl eligibility at the end of the season. If we showed up for the Army game just expecting no less than 14 point from top 5 FBS offense we were let down is spectacular fashion. If we showed up to our new and most regularly played rival UTSA’s borrowed stadium ( a stadium nobody else wants) just expecting a back and forth shootout with a close finish, we got let down in spectacular fashion. Neither of the last 2 losses (of the 4 loss were streak) were even entertaining. DATCU stadium will continue to be 50% empty until they bring in TCU, SMU or any of the P4 teams in Texas or bordering states. For most of the last 20 years our program don’t give fans a reason to come unless they like are entertained by failure.