Meangreen Fight

Program doesn’t win on the biggest stages and similar programs at G5 continue to out perform us like UTSA, and Coastal Carolina. And if you compare our program to an old conference mate like Boise State our program looks particularly pathetic. Leadership wasted its time being conservative when all the other local FBS programs in DFW were swinging for the fences.

NCAA Football Teams aren't businesses and players aren't employees... Yet.

I asked that when they hired the RV to run the NIL collective. Leadership is only 50% committed to having an athletics program that attracts fans and donations. Many may be tired of me saying this, a Dallas Area FBS program with a poor history and lack of local media coverage that does not publicly make overtures at hiring Coach Sanders once he demonstrated he could win a FCS level isn’t serious about building a winning football program. I am not donating any extra money until they do the minimum WELL. The minimum like firing the worse DC in FBS. Minimum like not letting beating a dome team at home in the cold windy rain save your mediocre coach for a lame duck season.

He already had his shot here. And he only has one year of eligibility left. Changing QBs every year doesn’t stop your program from winning but it certainly doesn’t help.

I give to you that was funny. But I will forever be confused by fans of schools with deeper pockets and better athletic history on our board when we never play them. If you are going to troll here, troll on Houston boards to get us on the schedule so you have a legit reason to be here. 🤷🏽‍♂️

As someone who grew up in Denton, I can confirm that community outreach and athletic marketing was somewhere between pitiful to nonexistent till the 90s. For my perspective since the 90s it appears that they are content to play a conservative game of “catch-up” when it comes to long term growth. They bank on the sheer size of the UNT System and metro location to make UNT Athletic Programs upper middle tier G5. It is up to the AD and upper leadership to change that.

😂 All those schools you mentioned have significantly more football accomplishments than UNT and frequent (sometimes deep) entries into NCAA tournament. It is just a bad comparison. You can expect to microwave fan support on a level with those schools from one NIT title which at best (perception wise) makes you no better than 30-20th basketball team that year with your stars and coach leaving the team before the next season. I make 4 out of 6 Saturday Football games a season. I like being outside in good weather. I don’t live in Denton and the last thing I want to do after work is drive for an hour in rush hour traffic to get to a volleyball or basketball game. I suspect the average alumni that doesn’t live in Denton or border city feels the same way. I made a home game the year they won the NIT and preceding season. The SuperPit needs work, concessions food wasn’t good with long lines to get it. I guarantee the fan experiences at the home basketball arenas of the teams you mentioned aren’t like that.

I just disagree that dismissal was unavoidable if they didn’t want attendance to drop and frustration to grow. I think the administration was more than comfortable with mediocrity because beating a pass happy dome UTSA team in cold windy wet weather should not have gotten Seth another season. His swan song season was very predictable based on his past performance and retaining a mediocre starting quarterback. 🤷🏽‍♂️He should have never gotten 2 contract extension without winning a bowl game or conference championship. It wasn’t his 4 season, it was his 7th. Stagnation at that point going into a slightly tougher AAC conference would have been regression in when it comes to wins and losses. Making the conference championship game in a conference without divisions is not 100% in your team’s control when you don’t play every team in your conference. A regular season win total of 9 is a realistically achievable goal that can’t be thrown off by 2 AAC teams not on your schedule having great years. That is what sucks about super conferences and why all FBS fans should hate them.

🥱 I wouldn’t put a lot of stock into anything we see or hear regarding transfers until enrollment dates have passed.

I have to disagree with this to some extent. EM absolutely looks like a better “QB Whisperer” and OC than Seth, Dodge, Dickey, and whoever Mac had on his staff. That isn’t a small thing IMO. The uncertainty comes from the defensive side of the ball and the general state of all G5 with NIL and an out of control transfer portal. I think I lot of us underestimate how detrimental retaining Seth was for our last year in CUSA. In 6 years, he had clearly demonstrated the biggest games he could win here were as playing spoiler with nothing substantial on the line for the Mean Green. I am not endorsing Morris because I wouldn’t have hired him in the first place. The appetite for the leadership and fans for a radically different risky move at the head coaching position isn’t there. So it is pointless to kick and scream in disappointment in Morris at this point because they aren’t going to swing for the fences whenever they replace him due to lack of winning.

See there people like you are the problem accepting mediocrity. 😉🤣🤣. Well that is what I was told when I was pleasently surprised by a competitive bowl game that our team had the ball in late with a chance to win. And the waxing nostalgic for SL who was 0-5 in bowl games (without his conference leading QB jumping into the transfer portal before those bowl games) was particularly ridiculous.

Agreed. The comparison at this stage claiming some significant difference is laughable. I don't know what people expected when they fired Seth a season too late. When a sports franchise is in a 15 year trend of mediocrity and DOESN'T do anything significantly different than what they've always done, you can't expect significantly better outcomes in the short term. That is my frustration with a lot of the fans. Winning the Servpro Bowl game by a late field goal wouldn't change the trajectory of this program. So why react like losing by not getting in position to kick a winning FG would? Similarly spoiling an attempt by the 2021 UTSA team to go undefeated in the regular season meant nothing. Yet many defended keep SL on board for a lame duck season. The only real difference between SL and Morris so far is that it appears that Morris has a better eye for QB talent and is better at unlocking it. Imagine if Morris got a hold of Jason Bean here. Absolutely no reason to be bring up SL like some kind of standard here when he lost all biggest games. Good man, very professional and smart but a mediocre coach. MOST FBS coaches are mediocre (around the median or average performance level) or below.

PLEASE DON’T read this as an endorsement of Morris or defense of the current AD. But facts are facts. 2 Conference Championship appearances in 7 years in a weaker CUSA. The last appearance was with a 7-5 record. And had CUSA not abolished divisions we would have finished 2nd place to UTSA and not gotten the chance to get beaten by them again. Morris has just completed year 2 and he is dealing with transfer portal and NIL. So calling the team less competitive is a very subjective metric as you are applying it comparing Morris vs Littrell. Seth Littrell 2nd season was great. But there was no real improvement after that season and he finessed that into 2 contract extensions and the highest head coach salary in CUSA for a while. Those decisions were made by his predecessor. It is absolutely ridiculous that a thread titled “Seth Littrell” exists on a UNT forum when he is now an unemployed OC whose Oklahoma team performed better after he was fired.

Love it. 😊 That is what College Football is all about.

I get it. I over react on this board often. It doesn’t matter to the people making decisions that affect this program. Hell they don’t respond when my donations drop and I drop season tickets. But I only have so much negativity to spew per season and I am all tapped out. Since that blown game against La Tech with the Mean Joe Statue unveiling and the program had the most momentum I have ever seen, leadership has been making bad decisions. A lot of us FIRST GUESSED and questioned most if not ALL the moves made since that day. Maybe invest some of that energy in our Basketball program. 🤷🏽‍♂️