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Very true. This has been our achilles heel, and it has been the least recruited areas for Littrell; in both quality and quantity.

I agree with that to an extent. But like a system QB, there can be a system athletic department. Program's like Toledo, SDSU, LaTech, Astate, Boise, SoMiss, and more have kind of found a way to maintain competitiveness through whatever.

Not to be that guy, but, duh. I've said countless times on this forum...We are Mean Green alumni. WE bleed green. These coaches...they are not and they do not. It's just jibber jabber to get the fan base riled up and and hopeful recruits interested. During a lot of coaching changes though kids come out and say things like "I committed to the university, not the coach", and will hold their commitment. That's even if this is a thing.

I think those 15 years may have been worse than anything else, including briefly dropping down. Those years from 03-16 saw a massive shift, due in large part mass media, than I think ever before. Winning, facilities, fundraising, popularity of the sport, conference shifts, tv deals etc. were all spiking at unprecedented levels. It was polarizing to be frank. And then there we were...

Yes, they have basketball. Through the mechanism of scandalous cheating.

That is dirrahea. This conference is horrible. But to your post, you're saying it will take potentially 8 years for him to win the conference. My god, what has your football watching eyes seen over the years to be OK even saying that.

Ppl will dog you if you talk about their daddy like that. Better watch it. The same ppl that will dog you will hold SL in UNT lore and he hasn't won a damn thing. Nothing. Nada. But, they'll pile on that nutsack and swing around forever. It's who we are because of how mismanaged this department was for so long. Beaten dog syndrome at it's finest. As for the Twitter bitches, eff em.

Yeah...like I said, I don't. But people get paid handsomely to create answers.

You're right, I don't give many of those. However, I'm not angry. I'll be there.

Wait. Should I be happy or depressed by this? I'm confused.

Wife and I heading out 2 or 3 days early to go skiing.

No, that's funny. SoMiss folks gotta be raging out. I understand leaving out FCS UTSA last year. But SoMiss is one of the original CUSA members with a strong fanbase.

That doesn't answer his question as to the why a CUSA team in general was left out. Some have explained it to the tune of it was EITHER Gasparilla OR FR Bowl that ESPN was going to give CUSA. I don't know if that's written somewhere in the tie-in (that CUSA can't have both, but 1), but that is how WB sort of tried to explain it. So, they CHOSE the gaspiralla rather than the FR and it left 3 teams (SoMiss, Marshall, UNT) for 2 bowl slots (New Mexico/Gasparilla). Since Marshall went to NM last year they put Marshall in Florida and that sent us to NM. It all sounds convoluted, mismanaged, and just fishy. But whatever.

I was in Charlotte last week. Went by the campus and was pleasantly surprised by everything I saw. They have a very nice campus and their football stadium sits practically right in the middle of campus. As you're walking its like science building, art building, BAM football stadium, then english building, music building, etc. Their football venue is also very nice, but seemed crazy small as well. Like FCS level/does not belong in FBS kind of small. Nice, just inadequate to the level of football they're playing in. But, yeah, not a lot of programs are investing. And yes, it's a dying conference. And yes, the conference leadership is piss poor and utterly mismanaged. CUSA has went from the brink of respectability to being a very poor conference. Had we known that Tulane, Tulsa, UH, Memphis, just basically the entire conference was leaving would we have left the Belt? Probably. But there just seems like a lot of dead weight in this conference and I don't want to sound better, because we use to be that dead weight, but we are striving for improvements across whereas a lot of members are stagnant. MTSA had no more than 10K at our conf champ game. That's embarrassing.

Being a pro SL AD I would look at NDSU as a place that recruits and sells itself, much like a Boise. The coach matters, but does it? They are going to get the best fringe FBS/FCS players on the coming out of high school because of their history of winning and their NFL success turning fringe players into NFL players. I would look at Littrell as walking into a dumpster fire and instilling his philosophies and a getting them to a respectable platform while finally turning around the recruiting fortunes at UNT. Klieman is a defensive guy whereas Littrell is an offensive guy. Big12 is a win or lose league by points, a big reason why Kstate hasn't been able to keep up. SL is younger and with that probably has more energy and fire, presumably. It comes down to what you're looking for. A case can be made for both.

That's what I am saying. Neal Brown's aren't growing on trees, especially Neal Brown's of the kind we can double and almost triple his pay. He has to be feeling slighted right about now, and would have to look at this job at UNT as a stepping stone to a 3 or 4 mil a year meddling P5 that he will think he can turn into a power. It would be the most ideal situation. So, if it's a legitimate one I would like to see Kstate pluck SL so we can get a guy in her to for sure keep the train rolling.

Yup. Drop 1.5 on his head and pull him away. Attach a 2 or 3 mil buyout clause to his contract and some dumb meddling P5 school will cough it up and we'll happily stuff our coffers. I think it'd be a perfect time for SL to leave to we can get this guy in here. Because Seth is leaving this year or next, that we know is for certain IMO. He's playing with fire if he doesn't leave after next year because he may be a .500 coach or worse while we work in a new QB/almost entire offense during an offensive rebuild. He may be actually be our Gary Patterson by default because he'll be rebuilding again to get us up to the potential 10 win team we are now. I think this exact scenario is what is happening with Holtz at Tech. He builds them up and gets them looking legitimate at 10 or 11 wins, then graduates his studs while maintaining some competitiveness while trying to build them back up. He's doing well at LaTech, but not well enough consistently for a P5 to swoop in on him.

Yes, regional. The reason you asked me if I knew where all the MWC bowl games are at because regionally, they are in the Mountain West part of the country. That is why you asked, right? SDSU coming here, along with Boise, are anomalies and as far as tie-ins are concerned should not have happened. But they did, Whatever.

Oh for sure, we'd be 10-2 with at least somewhat respectable losses. To me personally I will never be able to live down that thrashing in El Paso in 2016. We were 5-6 playing a 3-8 team and got absolutely muffin top punched with bowl eligibility on the line. Also If I'm a Kstate fan, those blowout losses in 2017 would be concerning as well. As would all the close games vs not very good teams since he has been here; Rice, UTEP, UTSA this year come to mind. That record combined is like 4-32 and we beat those 3 schools by a margin of 92-62 with that being a very deceptive overall margin of victory given the 14/21 garbage points we dropped on Rice with under 5 min to play. I would be skeptical if I'm looking at SL as an AD. I sure would like to get him outta here if he's planning on leaving this year or next to try and snag Neal Brown from Troy. I think we could money whip him a little to get him in here. Along with a big buyout attached to his contract because you know schools are eyeing in on him ready to pull the trigger when their current deadbeat coach shits the bed in 2019. It'd be a buyout sweepstakes with Littrell/Brown coming in and leaving.

That's kind of irrelevant since we're playing in one of the CUSA/MWC bowls. And one of the MWC teams are playing in one of the CUSA tie-in games. Plus bowls are typically regional so they would take that into consideration when they add/shift/subtract or do whatever to the inevitable bowl shifting.

Ahhh..I just went to the general drop down priceline site. We will more than likely drive, I was just looking earlier to see what the prices were.

I think the MWC discussions on this forum revolves around the excitement of the kinds of teams they could bring TO Denton for basketball and football. It's never really been around the premise of, 'man I can't wait to get out to Fresno for the game'. It would debunk the ideology of regionalizing conferences, but we would without doubt be in a more competitive football and basketball conference. Traveling fan attendance would obviously struggle for teams coming to Denton and for Mean Green fans traveling to away games, but it would better position us as a competitive athletic program moving forward.

We are getting them in Denton, just a few years from 2019.

Top 25 sort of. We will not be preseason ranked in any poll. And we're playing Cal in California next year.

ding. We just tread lightly and stfu around these parts.