BTG_Fan1

Hey if you can call it excuses but there are reasons why kids aren't coming here, and why they have not come here for a long time... Coaches change and the results stay the same... As a High School to college student, you would have had dreams of possibly playing in the pros and would have gone to the place with the news toys and the most bells and whistles, UNT doesn't have any of that and they have not had it in a over 5 years to sway kids to come here... The losing has not stopped because we coaches that were in over there head (Dodge), and coaches that would not adapt to the new football scheme here in TX (Mac). We haven't produced nor given the players the tools needed to grow either (RV). This entire program has been mis-managed and screwed. This is not a simple fix. Finding kids that will be here long-term with the ability to change the mindset here at UNT is needed. Finding kids that are quality students and quality athletes isn't easy with the problems that have faced this program and they have taken risks and got burn by them in Hoston, Haynes, and Johnson which could be blamed for them taken kids who would be here but don't have the sexiest offer lists. This staff is doing it the right way and the complaining about the offer lists is the dumbest thing because they can not control who they like/ and who else likes the kids. Offer lists are cool, but we have plenty of kids with solid offer lists that amount to 0, and kids with 0 other offers that are great players.

I think that is Ejiya covering him?

Look at the stuff LAT has done, and again UTSA has gone from nothing to something over its programs history. We have done 0 for football since Apogee. You and other posters have bashed on this staff for not holding onto kids with P5 offers, Gage has multiple P5 offers and they got him to commit twice... Bradley left UNT for UH which has been in the recent past than most P5s in the state. Again students/recruits see the night life of SA compared to Denton as a plus and the river and being near Austin/6th street as a boost to SM. The reason why kids pick P5s over G5s are because of name and helping them get to the pros. Kids to look at the success of the school in terms of getting kids to the pros and what they have to offer.. UNT has no success of getting kids drafted, and if it wasn't a big deal, then why do you see kids at OSU taken pics in front of NFL Jerseys with NFL players on it or us having a wall of names of guys who have played in the NFL (because kids look at it). Kids also look at schools in terms of the success that they have on the field as well.. Kids are a lot more likely to look at a school and pick a school because of the Draft Success over the academics when it comes to recruiting, I would say more than half the time. No one is saying don't hold the staff responsible. The fans that you don't agree with are saying, we can't blame them (the staff) completely because they don't have the same resources (yet) as other programs. When we have facilities that are worse than most area high schools, its not on the coaching staff... Its on the ADs office. WB is in the process (its been said) of them announcing the IPF and the expansion of the Football offices as well. When we have facilities that can compare with other D1 programs and the recruiting stays this way then we have a problem. And yes Wins lead to more money, and this is a young staff, you think that they want to keep and stay at UNT? No these guys want to have success and move on. Again, the questions posted to you, you didn't give any reasons as to why Denton is better than SA or SM... you didn't say why our facilites are better than Rice or LAT (when we can't even compete with local HS)... Nor did you answer why should recruits pass up bigger program offers for UNT. UNT has potential and that potential can only be realized by investing in the program. A coach can get up and leave at any time for a P5 job or get fired. An IPF will not leave. Make this place attractive and the recruits will come, and how you make it attractive to recruits and coaches is by showing off the new shiny toys... So lets stop having a hissy-fit over why we can't land recruits 5 or 6 months before the early signing period, when a high school down the road has more toys then we do. Facts don't care about your feelings.... You can say that our facilities are on par but yet we have local high schools that are above us.... Denton has the square, SA has the riverwalk, SM has the river... LAT has been winning for years, and putting kids into the NFL... UNT just hopes we can get a kid an NFL Tryout.... UTSA has kids stay at resort style Hotels, we have kids stay at a hotel 20 minutes away by a RaceTrack.... If you think that these are even close, then we have a bigger problem than just the poor recruiting

LOL look at when I started on here... Also, @GrandGreen please tell me why would our the lack of facilities being overlooked. Why would a kid want to come to Denton when they could go to places like SA, or SM? Why would a kid want to come to UNT when we have had no draft success? Why go to UNT over a bigger name school that everyone will know? Find answers to these questions and develop answers before we blame someone else aka the staff.

Who is that covering him?

The lack of facilities that other schools have that we compete against. Rice just finished upgrades, UTSA has been improving since they started football, LAT has great facilities as well. A losing narrative being paired with UNT also being the fall-back option for kids in Texas. HS kids want to go to Baylor, TCU, UT, AM, then that is followed by UH, Tech, SMU then you have the fall back options of UNT, TXST, Rice, UTSA, UTEP.. Never once said that UNT staff was not being out-recruited. The points that I have made, are that UNT coaches have a major uphill battle. @GrandGreen please tell me why would are the lack of facilities being overlooked. Why would a kid want to come to Denton when they could go to places like SA, or SM? Why would a kid want to come to UNT when we have had no draft success? Why go to UNT over a bigger name school that everyone will know? Find answers to these questions and develop answers before we blame someone else aka the staff. SL yes has Apogee, but Dodge was actually able to say to recruits look we are investing and we upgrading/improving. UNT has not done that at all. They changed out some lockers was the major upgrade. They can show an IPF but till it is announced and ground broken has been upgraded/improved under SL. LOL i wasn't even here for Mac. For all the people that see that SL is turning into Mac, please Email the staff, or even better email WB or NS and tell them what needs to improve and give how. Email them the pitch that will work. Because these coaches apparently are missing something that you can see that they can not. Its very easy to see a problem and blame everyone for it, but yet no one is willing to put forth reason or a way to improve. @MGNation92 answer questions like: Why should a recruit pick UNT over Rice or LAT when they have upgraded different football facilities? Why should a recruit pick UNT over SMU when they have had players drafted? Why should a recruit pick UNT over TXST/UTSA/ UTEP because of location, what does UNT have to offer that they don't? Why should a new staff that lost nearly half of its coaches and got to a bowl game all of a sudden be on the hotseat when this time last year we didn't have 1 single recruit? I wasn't even a fan of Mac when they did hire him. Because he was an outdated coach at the time. The only reason he came in because everyone wanted the opposite of Dodge, and he was the opposite.

Dodge also had connections with the HS coaches throughout the state to combat the losing record. He also had the ability to pitch kids on improving facilities with them moving from Fouts to Apogee....

We are currently 6th which is in the top half, which the same people who have bashed this staff about just getting into the top half. They are doing this with worse than High School facilities, a team that has what? Like 5 or 6 winning seasons in over 2 decades, with a roster that has not produced 1 drafted player either and NSD isn't anytime soon. You want to compare these guys to other coaches in the conference and half of these coaches are brand new, and haven't even gotten 1 class yet. You are comparing them on something that is incomplete... Dear lord, Ben.... Would you go to a school that is known for losing? that has worse facilities than your own high school? or would you go to a place that has put a whooping 4 UDFAs into the NFL in the last 5 or 6 years? If you think you have a better pitch, then type it up or put it into Powerpoint and email it to the staff and Wren. Heck even post it up on here and sale all of us on a school that is known for losing, liberal arts over athletics, and hasn't much success in terms of getting kids to their dreams of playing in the NFL. Sale us on the vision, please because apparently you know way more than these career coaches do. A coaches name maybe sexy like GH, but kids look at results. GH did not call the plays in WSU, and he was a QB Coaches for 1 or 2 years and before that he was an outside wrs coach. It has already been brought up that they have changed the views of some of the HS staffs in the state, but it will take alot more than just words. People want to see results. This offense was not built for passing last year, nor has been in the past. Our returning leading WR had a total of something along the lines of 33 catches and 350+ yards.. That isn't going to draw in recruits or WRs. Again, we can not fault the coaches for Gage reopening his recruiting because its the choice of the player. Gage already commited twice to us and hadn't picked up any offers as of 2 or 3 weeks ago. We had already beaten Colorado and some other solid offers, and during his commitment he had picked up something along the lines of Kent State and Ohio (schools that are not as sexy as the schools before us). This whole bashing the staff for them not being able to recruit crap is dumb, they pulled in alot of solid pick ups in the 1st class(Fine, Rico, Wilson, Jenks, Wheeler, Dee, Hood,Morris, Heck even English), and this 2nd class they as well added some talented kids in Siggers, White, Darden, Johnson, Guyton (who had multiple P5 offers but no rejoiced at this signing or praised the staff for that). We are bashing a staff that lost 3 coaches to P5s and another to a G5, and that turned a 1-11 team that got destroyed by Portland State for possibly the worst L in the history of D1 NCAA Football into a Bowl team. Its the losing record for years, the lack of facilities, lack of investment into staff (forward recruiting, graphics, etc), lack of production in terms of getting kids to the pros. Having to fight an uphill battle with the history of UNT that parents, and coaches know, and that kids can look up. Also, UNT being viewed as the fall-back option for HS kids as well.

Ahhh thank you, hoping the pick UI commit may make us a bit more attractive

Illinois just got a Safety to commit to them

The idea is to get more peoples butts in the stadium. If even a % money from concessions is going to charity or other organizations, UNT isn't seeing it either way. UNT would then be better off with whatever gets people to the stadium. Get people into the stadium and then you worry about the concessions and that. But again the Food Trucks, mostly do not affect the concession because they do not sale the same thing outside of beverages usually. Also, the prices of the Food Trucks are more likely to be slightly higher than the normal concession stand. Once this is an idea that then could be explored and something that would be adjusted. We are not talking about them just cramming in as much as possible into the stadium. The worries about the grass and mud are things that would can be adjusted.... About the 1380/1500, that is a difference of $120 which could easily be made up through tickets and parking. Take whatever you want, but I would take the better experience. Also, these vendors do not have to be in parking spots. We have pointed out that they can be different areas as well that do not take up parking spots, which then would create the same revenue as without them or more because of what they would bring in terms of fans being interested.

Yea I mean its the staffs fault that Gage reopened his recruiting, and the fault of the staff that other schools have picked up kids...

Thanks

Could easily have them lined up near the bridge or have them over by the murchison arts center and park and even have them park in the grass if they are that worried about the parking revenue. Also, if they got a % of sales that would likely make up for the parking revenue missed, or why I suggested just charge them a flat rate and just let it be after that.

Start thinking like modern and successful sports organization or get left in the dust. The Texas Rangers do this and it works great I feel like GMG.com could produce over 50 ideas on ways to help drive people to the games, but yet they have not reached out to anyone here... Heck they could even have it over by Fouts or around the pond at Apogee as well.

I would like them to bring in a multi-year Grad Transfer if possible. Didn't that D2 QB that was here on a visit with Jefferson the Denton WR, commit/transfer some place already?

The food truck wouldn't compete with our products. Its things that we don't have, and they could even be pre/post game things as well. We may not think that they are a "fan experience" but I'm sure plenty of parents would bring kids and plenty of familes and individuals would enjoy something new.

You have totally missed the point! The point of the idea was that you do things that would create added value to the price of a ticket. If it means some brings their wife or kids because of that "experience" then great. The trucks want it because its a large customer base and a way for them to get exposure (win win) The trucks likely will not affect the concessions because they don't sale the same stuff. Again another experience for people to try something new. its 2017, the old-school ways of getting customers has changed. You have to give people added value. If people think they are getting 15 dollars of value for a 10 dollar ticket then they are more likely to come back. People now are able to stay home and watch the game, or list to the game and with the sub-par product that has been on the field for past number of years as well. Denton also, isn't something that is exactly close to home for most people. http://jameystegmaier.com/2012/04/why-do-you-go-to-live-sporting-events/ This article talks with Mark Cuban about the fan experience. With subpar product on the field, we should exposure and explore different areas to make games unique and an experience. So once we do start to win, you can have multiple different things for fans and a larger fan base as well to sale too. Again this is something that could be easily worked out by having 1 or 2 in the stadium or even having them outside for pregames, etc. hell let the fans have the ability to re-enter the stadium with there game ticket. Not like we are anywhere near capacity. The thought process of this was an example of an idea, that is somewhat unique to Denton that could help bring in fans, even if its just 50-100 fans a game that is a sizable amount of $ even if they don't buy anything from the concession stands.

Because the food trucks give people another experience at the game. It gives more added value to the price of the ticket, even if you don't use it. Also, the food trucks likely wouldn't have the same food choices and would have a slightly higher price. Plus UNT could charge them rent or a % of sales. They could do it outside, or even UNT could rent out space to them. Most food trucks won't put a dent in terms of beverage sales or other simple things like nachos or peanuts etc that the concession stands sale. It's about getting more butts in the stadium. If UNT can sale 1 more ticket because someone's wife or kid wants to go because of XYZ food truck, then UNT won't care if they buy from concessions or from a food truck.

That and the opening the host says Northern Texas

They did give away free tickets to the Southern Miss game, but that is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.. ----------------- It's disappointing that they didn't toss out any ideas or that the AD office has asked for any ideas. It sounds dumb but Denton has a # of food trucks, they should have them come up be at the stadium for football games and even basketball. Park them outside of the Superpit. In terms of rising prices, that seems to be dumb but it is a business and UNT has an advantage because the game likely won't be broadcasted either. These guys also talk about how they want to encourage season ticket holders to renew sooner, then they need to do a few things for fans to get into the football mindset. They said they wanted to do move up renews to February, then they need to be doing a big signing day dinner. Have the coaches come up and talk about what they have and what they got and post them then. Push renewals at the spring game, hell at these coaches caravans as well (which I assume that they do). They could even do meet and greets with new coaches in the down months as well to raise money and push it as well.

That's what I was fearing. New Unis and IPF need to be announced ASAP

Hope you're right. Compared to last year was has changed that we are picking up kids so much earlier?

Definitely

lol if anyone contacts them, I will update it for them in the future.