MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF

He was 1-2 or 1-3 against Oklahoma. Had to talk Mack Brown into just letting him play instead of being expected to run playbook plays - and, that's when he took off...in college. Had he the brains or discipline, he could have been as good as Cam Newton. He had neither. Credit Texas for eventually not caring...although, it sent him to the pros with pretty much no skill other than pulling the ball down or heaving up Hail Mary-type ducks.

Gilbert had some talent. But, like many QBs at Texas, never lived up to his potential because they've never had a great QB coach. Swoopes is a tight end. Texas was just too dumb to be honest and move him there from Day One. He probably could have been stuck on the other side of the ball earlier in his career and made a great rush end. Yeah...Texas was dumb with those two; can't disagree. It took them four years to figure out that Vince Young couldn't read a playbook, but was good enough to just run on college defenses. Stupid. Chris Simms underachieved. The two best QBs under Mack were Mackovic holdover Applewhite and Colt McCoy. McCoy just has a head for the game, and worked his butt off to overcome his physical deficiencies. Too bad they couldn't have put McCoy's work ethic into Simms, or his brain into Young.

True. Chip is the Horniest Horn Homer in the media.

Agree RE: Davie. As an old defensive coordinator, he likely knows a good OL when he sees one. Good get.

We're teetering on the decision to cut the cable. These days, we watch nothing other than kids shows and Liga MX. My wife watches the Mexican news and some of the soap operas. Looking into Rabbit TV now. Anyone have experience with that? Let me know, good and bad for Rabbit and whatever competitors they have. My sister has the Apple TV set up. Not horribly impressed by it, though. She'll never admit it sucks because she's one of those Apple-since-the-80s people who can't be objective about it.

Texas is waiting for a conference to give them an invite with their network. With ESPN losing subscribers, it's not as much an issue now as it was in 2010 and 2011. Also, it is now clear that Longhorn Network's money hasn't made Texas more competitive in football...or, most other sports. Men's basketball isn't great. Baseball is as average as it's ever been. Oklahoma will either follow Texas wherever they go, or wait to jump after. KU will be in play for the Big Ten, ACC, or Pac-12. Great basketball, great academics. The only other school I see having an outside shot at surviving the breakup of the Big 12 is Oklahoma State. But, nobody is really clamoring for them. They are second rate at everything sports despite T. Boone's money infusion a couple of years back. The rest of the Big 12 is horsesh*t.

He's good. Had this Texas as an assistant, whom I've always liked: http://www.southernmiss.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tim_billings_1004016.html

And, now, he's quit. Well, maybe God directs him to UNT for his next job!

And, finally: http://www.cotwa.info/p/false-rape-allegations-assault-on.html For example, in terms of the initial disclosure, unlike false accusers, true victims tend to go directly to law enforcement to file a report. So, again, the athletes should be forewarned by, at minimum, the coaching staff to steer clear and keep it in their pants. Athletes are now in a world where the law directs schools to take action regardless of the veracity of the claim. Baylor screwed up there. False or true, they were specific actions they were supposed to take, but did not. And, so, from the first post: I think this is the beginning of the end of "we're handling it internally." The game changed. But, Baylor was so busy trying to be Oklahoma or Texas that they didn't bother to read/follow the new rules.

You're welcome. Here's more: https://rainn.org/statistics Again, majority committed by someone victim knows; and majority go unreported. As far as on campus stats. https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims Female college aged students are 20% less likely than nonstudents to be a victim of rape or sexual assault.14 Only 20% of female student survivors age 18-24 report to law enforcement. In comparison, 33% of female nonstudent survivors aged 18-24 report to law enforcement.14 Thank you. That was pointed out twice in my post - Baylor didn't do what it was supposed to do according to the law.

You may be all ears, but you can't read and comprehend.

No. I've given the same scenario that RAINN discusses on their website. "You have a situation where two people obviously had sex after some sort of flirting/relationship. As far as I've seen from the facts, these weren't random rapes...." " Now, I'm not saying all of these were instances of regretful sex. You asked how could the women involved not go straight to the police. I'm saying, probably based on prior or current relationships with the players gone sour." " There are whole areas of academic and criminal studied about this thing - date rape, rape by acquaintances, even marital rape. Often, the women feel shame because of the relationship and are hesitant to go to the police...." Original question from CR: "Why would a victim of sexual assault make her complaint directly to the football staff and not law enforcement? Football staff would clearly be biased. I can't imagine anyone who was a victim of rape to say, "no, I don't want him to go to prison, I just want his football career to end"

https://rainn.org/get-information/legal-information/reporting-rape I know the person who hurt me. About 2/3 of victims know the perpetrator. It can be unnerving to be violated by someone you know. Regardless of who the perpetrator is, sexual assault is against the law. I’ve been intimate with the perpetrator in the past, or am currently in a relationship with the perpetrator. Sexual assault can occur within a relationship. Giving someone consent in the past does not give them consent for any act in the future. If you did not consent, they acted against the law—and you can report it. So...there's that. Although, I'm not sure you'd recognize the Rape Abuse & Incest National Network as a worthy source.

The police would have publicly named the victims? Also, take your own medication. I have none. I'm not the one zealously banning people because I disagree with or misunderstand what they've posted. If you want to discuss further in PM, do so. But, whatever, quit acting like I've changed names simply to change names.

Apogee has more seats than either Toyota or Mini-Jerry World. Apogee: 30,500 Toyota: 20,500 capacity Mini-Jerry World: 12,000 Hosting Bowl Games New Mexico's University Stadium, built in 1960: 39,224 Boise State's Albertsons Stadium, built in 1970: 36,387 UNLV's Sam Boyd, built in 1971: 36,800 Bowl Game Payouts: http://www.statisticbrain.com/college-bowl-game-payouts/

Alrighty, then, you answer his question: Why did the girls go to the athletic department instead of the police?

Here's my opinion/guess and it's just that, based on having been a college student who had sex in college sex-type situations: (1) You have a situation where two people obviously had sex after some sort of flirting/relationship. As far as I've seen from the facts, these weren't random rapes like, say, in the non-college world. Recall a few years back, there was a guy in Dallas breaking into random apartments and raping women. (2) Given that their was some sort of relationship, you get the sticky, "he said/she said" deal going. Girl, now regretting the sex or feeling violated by it, goes to an authority she perhaps feels like will take away his most valuable possession - his athletic scholarship - as a means for revenge. (3) "He said/she said" scenario in full play, coach calls in player and gets his side of the story, which is probably somewhere along the lines of, "Hey, we dated (or something like that) and it was consensual" or "we were at a party and drinking and then we did it, but it was consensual." Okay, fine...everything fine so far? In the twisted, old school athletic kind of way? But, here's the problem: (4) Athletic departments now have Title IX and Clery to follow and are expected, even in "he said/she said" to really turn the investigation over to the school, and (5) Schools are expected, under Title IX and Clery, to really investigate...including going to legal authorities! Now look, it's not hard to figure out how these things happen. In spite of whatever "we're all equal now" sex talk there is, that isn't really the case when it comes right down to the nitty-gritty...and, that is why there are these laws like Title IX and Clery - to protect women. After regretful sex, a guy is expected to just shake it off as a drunken mistake or, even sober, a lapse in judgement, etc. Women - and, athletes have to be told this, they must be told this by every coaching staff with brains in their heads - have actual legal avenues to pursue if they have regretful sex. And, so, athletes...do what Young MC rapped about in the early 90s,"keep it in your pants." Now, I'm not saying all of these were instances of regretful sex. You asked how could the women involved not go straight to the police. I'm saying, probably based on prior or current relationships with the players gone sour. I think if a prowler came, broke into a dorm or apartment, and raped...yes, they'd go straight to the police. There are whole areas of academic and criminal studied about this thing - date rape, rape by acquaintances, even marital rape. Often, the women feel shame because of the relationship and are hesitant to go to the police, so they go to other sources they feel might validate their feelings. It's complicated emotionally, to be sure - and, especially for the girls - but not legally. But, that's the stink of it, if you are a player. Is it a double standard? Probably. But, whether it is or is not, in this country, we have laws to cover it. Baylor didn't follow those laws.

A quote from Baylor AD Ian McCaw a few years back in Sport Illustrated. Oh, well. Peter thrice denied Christ before the roster crowed. Forgiveness can be had. Given McCaw's old quote, though, I suggest a Romans 3:23 helmet sticker for Baylor this year: "...for all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God..." Preach it, Ian!

I'm worried about the Heart of Dallas bowl tie-in. It seems like the Big 12 and Big Ten could just say, "Look, we want this bowl" when the C-USA contract expires. Also, we at some points have laughed about the New Mexico Bowl, Humanitarian Bowl, and Liberty Bowl. But, all of those bowl brought at least some exposure to those schools. I look at New Mexico's crappy stadium and think, "Really? That gets a bowl game?" I think the perfect showcase for Apogee would be a bowl game at least as half-assed as the New Mexico Bowl. Can we even pull off that? I've offered this before, tying the name to one of the main academic traditions of the UNT and calling it the Jazz Bowl. Would it really be any worse than bowl games played in Albuquerque, Shreveport, Mobile, Boise, etc.? With all of the corporations in the DFW area - and, more coming day by day - we can't put together the money for this thing like...UNM/Albuquerque?

Wow...they really do have an ex-high school coach coaching them. I'll be hella disappointed if Littrell can't beat SMU. If we're going to be 1-11 or 2-10, please let one of the wins be against SMU.

That's probably true. And, even now, we're learning just how long Penn State knew about Sandusky's problem and ignored it. Shameful. But, look...you know the game. I've got family in Oklahoma. Some went to OU, some to OSU...they will defend their criminal players to the end, all the while pointing fingers at Texas, Penn State, Alabama, or anyone else whose program has criminals or gets caught cheating in recruiting and whatnot. You damn well know Texas alumni and OU alumni and A&M alumni who defend their criminals and the coaches, staff, and schools who hide/protect them. They are all over the Metroplex. You might work with one or two who are snickering at Baylor now like the hypocritical goatasses they are. Baylor tried to run with that pack. They were far less experience in covering up. Or...they didn't know (yet) how to pay off victims as well as the Texases, OUs, and A&Ms of the world. Yeah...and, so are these guys: Look...Rick Perry is so hip, he doesn't even have to have an "All Access" pass strapped on!

I want to say this about Ken Starr - he doesn't seem all that hip, if you know what I'm saying. Not Travis Bickle hip, anyway. And, so, I think that's why he's such an easy target. He looked really, really stupid in the Baylor get-up at the football games. It was like a forced act for him to be there. Like, sports doesn't seem to have really be his thing and he didn't really know how to act there. "Here, Mr. Starr...here's a Baylor shirt and hat, be at the stadium at Kickoff O'Clock, because...well, you're the president now. Also, loosen up a little...have a Mountain Dew and some Pixy Sticks to get the blood flowing a little." I think he really just didn't pay attention. I look at Starr as the anti-David Boren, the OU president who is up to his elbows in the athletic department, commenting publicly about the team, the conference realignment issues, etc. Starr never, to me, seemed to be a sports-savvy president. I believe Starr thought he was doing the right thing by having the independent investigation. I don't think he ever imagined it would cost him his job. In that way, I think he was naïve about the power of college athletics when you begin to be a Big Boy at the highest level. Again, that's why I said earlier, one of the takeaways for the college presidents has got to be, you can't just sit back and just run the academic side and be satisfied that the athletic department is going to instinctively do the right thing.

Agree. To me - and, perhaps, this is how naïve I am even as I approach 50 - this is worse than the pay-for-play scandal that took down SMU in the 1980s. I was in high school back then, and it was really big news. How can covering up sexual assaults, and dissuading victims of sexual assaults, be lower on the NCAA Death Penalty totem pole that handing cash and prizes to Eric Dickerson & Co.? Also, I wonder how many other athletic departments are having "Oh, Sh*t!" meetings this morning. You have to figure that once the victims from the Baylor sexual assaults start appearing on the talk show circuit (circus?) that other coeds similarly assaulted and ignored at other campuses will begin to come out of the woodwork. Where people who want to masturbate on airplanes might mumble, "Thanks a lot, Bin Laden!" you will then have many athletic directors and football coaches mumbling, "Thanks a lot, Baylor!"

Having now read the Baylor report, I'd like to draw attention to a problem that likely infects many athletic departments: the propensity to believe you can be the judge and jury without notifying anyone outside the athletic department. You hear this mindset in what are now common coachspeak statements, namely, "We're aware of the situation, and will handle it internally." Well, that's just what got Baylor thumped. From the report: -"In some instances, the football program dismissed players for unspecified team violations and assisted them in transferring to other schools. As a result, some football coaches and staff abdicated responsibilities under Title IX and Clery; to student welfare; to the health and safety of complaintants...." In other words, nothing to see here, folks. An unspecified team violation occurred, and the player is now gone. Case closed. -"In addition to the failures related to the sexual assault and dating violence, individuals within the football program actively sought to maintain internal control over the discipline for other forms of misconduct. Athletics personnel failed to recognize the conflict of interest in roles and risk to campus safety by insulating athletes from student conduct processes." Translation: Don't tell anyone outside the program/department what the player has done happening; we've got him covered -"Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes." That one doesn't need explanation; it speaks for itself. -..."football coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct." Let us talk to the police/D.A. about it with you/for you. To me, this is the most damning thing about what has happened at OU with the president, AD, and head coach going together to the D.A.'s office...and, in a manner of weeks, the D.A.'s office offering an Alford Plea to the player who broke the girl's face. As I've argued before, Baylor is just trying to get with and keep up with the OU's and Texas' of the world. Having the hometown police and D.A.'s in your pocket is just an expected thing. How much longer will that last after this? I think, if anything, this shows that the Baylor BOR does not put football over the school's best interests. Will it catch on? Or, at schools like OU and Texas, whose winning traditions far exceeds that of new kid in town Baylor, is the horse gone from the barn for so long that there isn't any use in trying to find it? Personally, I think at Texas and OU, its going to take something major outside force to move them. Baylor's BOR hired an outside firm to conduct this interview, gave them access, and apparently, are agreeing with their findings to the extent of really doing something. What this should be showing other schools and their athletics' departments is this: (1) Athletic departments, regarding discipline, you cannot function as islands unto yourselves any longer, and (2) Schools, you can no longer turn a blind eye to what is happening in your own backyards for the sake of protecting that "winning tradition/image." I think this is the beginning of the end of "we're handling it internally."

All good and well, except that the context of the conversation MGTexan and I were having was current students and graduates and the experiences they gained at Apogee versus those we had at Fouts. The theory being that newer graduates are more likely to become lifelong fans and return than those between the I-AA and Apogee years. But, to play along, as difficult a time as you find successfully inviting non-UNT friends and neighbors to UNT games because we are clean, what makes you think a public, national scandal would help bring them in? I think what I see here is the mindset I spoke about in the theory - those weaned and maturing during the time between I-AA and Apogee are more cynical, more skeptical about any successes of the athletic department. And, so, even mentioning that we do well academically and don't have any scandals causes those folks to reflexively still find reasons to complain. I'm sure that someone with a degree in psychology know the term for such a mindset. I just referred to it as being like beaten dogs. No good can be trusted or believed even while it is occurring or has occurred.