Mike Jackson

MeanGreenTeeth other than academic fraud, multiple allegations of player mistreatment over the course of his career and being fired from his OC job at Iowa State, I wonder why any program wouldn't want Mark? You have set a really low bar for this program with your support for Mark as head coach.

The only way now UNT can really compete for talented coaches now with 7 already open at this point is to have a different pitch. We can't money whip a good coach into coming here. We don't have the money now and we don't have an athletic department that knows how to campaign for the money necessary to do that. The team that is well known and available right now is the Spurrier family. You need 5 years from Steve (he is 70 now so longer than would not be wise). The names by themselves would project a stability and commitment to building something great. I think they would be interested because getting UNT to win CUSA will be much easier than trying to win an SEC title. And if South Carolina doesn't want Scott or Steve Jr as head coach. I don't believe they would be a good fit for any other positions open now except UCF. Also I think they would want to steer clear of Miami because it doesn't fit the profile of the Southern Universities they are used to dealing with. I could see Steve Jr coaching here 3 years winning 2 CUSA west division titles and moving on to a SEC school. Steve Sr. hires someone else from his coaching tree and glides off into retirement. It all just a dream and very unlikely here at UNT but that is all I have now. Can you guys think of an AD & Head Coach "Team" you would like to come to UNT. Keep in mind this "team" need to have a family connection or existing working relationship.

Although this thread is getting a lot of traffic, I don't think it matters as long is RV is here making the hire. However I would like to ask the group would they be interested in the Father & Son Spurrier AD & Head Coach team? I think something like that is the only way you turn this program around fast. I will be eligible for a senior discount when this program digs out this mess at current rate. There needs to a total reset here beyond the head coach. It is like when Jerry Jones was meddling with the team making terrible coaching hires and player personnel moves. The Harbaugh's or any other young coach hired when Jerry was meddling would have failed in Dallas and it is no different here. And it is even worse here because RV doesn't own the team at least with Jerry you know the devil you would be dealing with your entire tenure with the Cowboys.

First sentence I understand but disagree. Second part I believe is complete BS. More excuses for RV, I see. Dan came in here trying to run offset eye formations with the quarterback under center his first season. The offense Mike Canales ran the last few game after Dodge was fired looked nothing like the offense we ran opening day the next season with Mac. Mike Canales does like to run the ball and it would be stupid not too with that being the deepest most talented skill position on the roster. But he isn't a stubborn Big 10 or old Big 8 coach that wants a offense that can move the ball in Nebraska, Kanas, and Iowa in November. Loved Dan attitude and if all I had to evaluate him on was he prep game pep speeches I would have hired him too. However when you looked at the man's record and background he wasn't a fit for North Texas and only an idiot makes that hire here. Now if this was Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming or the Air Force Academy he may have been pretty good for those programs.

I wanted Canales and not Mac back then. It made little since hiring an older coach with a losing record with no connections or reputation in the state of Texas. I sent him an e-mail voicing my support for as head coach at the time and he wrote me back. He was ready but UNT wasn't ready to win and they had Rick Villarreal as AD so they botched the hire. So they compounded the mistake of hiring Dodge with reaching for Mac. They are poised to do the exact same thing again. Hiring a coach who isn't ready to fix the mess here and doesn't have the experience necessary. I am very scared of the next head coach hire.

At this point why would anyone dislike your comment UNTexas, I will never understand. There is accountability in the academic departments at UNT I assure you but athletics since our first few years back in FBS accountability in the Athletic Department is somewhat lacking.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/14/9530335/ncaa-football-coach-jobs-best I think this will be the most important topic for football. The UCF position just came open and that may move us down to number 6. I thought the Washington State job was going to open up but it looks like they have some positive traction up there. What dominos will fall at the end of the season? Could we find ourselves without a coach before the New Year? I think that is quite possible. And given that there will be a lot of competition for coach talent where the hell is our AD? He should be leaking through all the back channels that UNT is ready to pay the next head coach 1 million per year. And if we aren't prepared to do that, should be campaigning for grass roots level money.... Wait, wait he can't do that because his track record gives him no credibility here. Why no one above the AD seems not to get thisI will never know. I am extremely pessimistic about the quality of head coach we will be able to get. This recruiting season is toast so I don't think that should play into the time table at all. In a perfect world RV would have be fired already. And we would have a committee looking for AD and head coaches who already have working relationships with each other and hire them at the same time. First interview question to an AD candidate. "Who would you bring in as Head Coach of Mean Green Football and why?" So here is my question for Mean Green fans how would you rank the available FBS head coaching positions?

We should have a ranking of FBS job openings so far in this forum. I don't have a source I can find that does this, else I would have already posted.

Exactly Ryan, Exactly

Arguing about D. Smith? This is more arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The captain of this ship might as well be high on crack hanging out in a luxury sweet with Kanye West comparing bling with him. And we the passengers are picking fight with the cruise director after the ship has hit an iceberg. Bottom line I think Canales and D. Smith are a little better than what the opportunities they have be given allowed them. I think Canales should have been the hire instead of Mac. However it is not the right time for Canales here anymore. And it sure as hell going to be extremely difficult for any coach coming here with an athletic department that can't even get ticketing right more than 80% or the time or what TV channel away games are on.

Yes, Andrew McNulty. Mic Drop

Well since UTSA technically really doesn't have a home stadium. (They are squatting in the Alamodome until they can raise enough money to build an on campus stadium). I think they view Apogee as their home stadium.

http://www.frogsowar.com/2013/1/20/3893222/frog-abroad-lets-play-the-university-of-north-texas In this article the writer call UNT a medium size public university. So even when someone 35 miles down the road from UNT is trying to campaign for it in a positive way even they make UNT smaller than it actually is. There are well over 125 public universities in USA and we are some where between 25th and 30th largest. (I have consistently heard 25th other places). So if you were in the top 20% of your graduating class would you call yourself an average student? If this is how a person that has taken a little time to research UNT as a football program thinks of UNT what do you think recruits think of UNT when they have barely heard of it?

What the person fails to recognize is the challenges at UNT compared to Houston. Houston had history in the SWC and a Heisman Trophy winner before Art Briles arrived. Houston also finish 5 seasons between 1979 and 1990 ranked in the top 25. Can you recall when the last time North Texas finish a season ranked in the top 25? What do you have to sell recruits coming to UNT? Facilities that are just on par with our rivals? A very nice campus? Playing against local rivals recruits have heard of? We don't don't play any Big 12 South teams for the next 8 years or more. Luckily we do play SMU but if they get their act together they will be kicking our teeth in. We do play Texas A&M in 2020 but that is so far away a coach could use that game for recruiting unit the 2017 recruiting season. We have virtually no history of team success since Haden Frye. Since 1960 UNT has 14 winning FBS level seasons. So if you are expected similar performance from Jinks here you need to lower your expectations. He maybe a good hire but getting this program to be a mediocre CUSA team will be an accomplishment. We have a losing record against 10 out 12 CUSA schools.

TCU is a relatively small private college. Alumni of that school made a bigger financial commitment to choose that school and same could be said of SMU. So it reasonable to assume that for most TCU and SMU alumni their school was their first choice. That is not the case with UNT. I say fewer than half of all student at UNT would be at UNT if they had the money or academic record to get into their first choice school. Efforts have been made on campus to indoctrinate students into a UNT community. It has been a long hard process but winning in one of the revenue sports consistently would do wonders to speed up the process.

People are done. You teased them the Apogee and facilities. But the commitment to build a program worthy of the 25th largest university in the USA was never in BOR, President, or Athletic Director. RV is the face of this BS and continued employment is confirmation that it isn't going to change.

No, Brady Hoke before him, and I don't want Brady either.

It not that we don't win it because we virtually never win. When was the last time the Mean Green won a regular season game against a well known successful program on national TV? Answer: NEVER. We have never even made a game like that competitive in the 4th quarter. Let's look at our record against FBS schools in our region that started playing FBS level before 1990 UTEP: 14-6, Texas Tech: 4-4, Houston: 7-7, Rice: 2-4, Tulsa 7-17, SMU: 5-29, Baylor: 1-12, TCU: 1-17, Oklahoma State: 1-10, Oklahoma: 0-7, Texas: 0-7 and Texas A&M: 0-7 Therefore college football fans in this region outside of fans of UTEP, Texas Tech, and Houston have not reason to respect our program or get the name right. All the more reason the athletic department has to hire a big name coach with national prominence. They need to set aside 2.5 million dollars to hire a head coach and hot up and coming OC. The money is here in the 150k plus local alumni pockets. Why this AD has not made a huge push to get small donations from the average alumni and not just business owners. If the AD could get $3,000 donations from 10,000 local alumni UNT could hire anyone they wanted. A thirty million dollar boost in the revenue could pay for improvements to Apogee, hire a coach with national prominence, and hot young coordinators with strong regional ties to work under that coach. The AD should be bold and come out a say, "I want go out an hire a coach that would command 2 million dollars plus on the open market. And for a truly special coach I would be million to pay 3 million. I can't name individuals with jobs right now because that would not be classy. But you can go down the list of coaches by their salaries look at the coordinators and head coach making around 1 million or more; those are the ones I am interested. Telling you local frustrated alumni who doesn't understand why we are on par with Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU, that we need a commitment from you to step up to the big boys. And my pledge to you is to be transparent about how much we have raise and how much further we have to go to reach our financial goals to go and get the coaches a lot of P5 conference programs would want" With his track record RV can't do that now because he has no credibility. \

Yeah, and if it starts rain beer will they charge me for mugs?

Maybe we fly the next banner over a local FBS game a large number of our alumni will see. Well then that wouldn't be a UNT game would it? Laurie, would like that deck chair push towards the bow or stern?

Standing ovation sir! No one has said it better on the entire Mean Green Forum. So I don't care how it happens but right now RV should be told he care either serve out his term or resign after the football season for "personal reasons" or retirement. He absolutely not be involved with the hiring process and the committee be reformed. He can however be involved with the interviewing of the next AD. He could provide valuable insight into the job and ask questions the rest the committee or person hiring the next AD may not think of. With all that said I will donate to another banner for the last game of the season if nothing has changed. RV CANNOT be allowed to make the next hire and the new head coach should be given assurance that the new AD will be someone he is comfortable with and that unless NCAA violations occur during his first contact his chances of not getting to finish out his first contract are virtually 0% Pretty good points until the underlined delusional part was added. Recruits don't have access to the internet? They aren't aware already that his program is the laughing stock of the FBS level? They won't see the 15,000-20,000 plus empty seats or the 1,000s students/Apogee beer garden visitors that walk back across the street to their dorms, Frye Street and etc right after kickoff without ever stepping foot in the stadium? Worrying about the banner's effect on recruits is like a used car salesmen worried more about a bird dropping on a car he is trying to sell more than the transmission on the ground under it and the growing pool of oil around it. This delusion would be hilarious if it wasn't a huge part of the problem with the "die hard" fans of UNT athletics. SMH Because what applies to these recruits applies just the same to head coaching prospect. Again, still waiting for a logical reason a good coach with options would come here to this toxic coach graveyard without being outrageously overpaid. Until the people against the banner have answer for that then I am not sure what we are discussing. We are arguing about how the deck chairs should be rearranged on the Titanic at this point.

That sounds very nice, however what is the plan? This program is dying with RV at the helm. If RV remains to serve out his tenure it will set the program back at least 5 additional years. With the shrinking financial support from the average booster making less than 200k a year, I am not sure if he program can financially come back from that to be competitive in CUSA. The only positive for keeping RV is saving money by not having to pay 2 AD's and 2 Head Coaches at the same time. I don't think anyone in favor of the banner would suggest that RV wasn't an asset to the program for a least some of his tenure. But he isn't an asset now he is a liability. I haven't seen anyone supporting RV in any thread with an answer to this request: Name one reason other than an emotional connection with UNT that you or any other coach with competitive viable financial options would select UNT over another FBS head coaching position. I have posed the question/observation several different ways of the last few day and I have yet to see a coherent logical response.

I for one have already contacted the Alumni association and MGC media team. They know what my donation was and know from this day forward it will be $0 till RV is gone. And beyond that I pledge to step up from my previous donation level once he is gone. I am not a rich man and UNT is my only entertainment expense outside of TV/Internet bill and an occasional movie. Get real this program is DEAD as long as RV is in charge and anyone who thinks different is just in denial due their love for UNT and/or RV.

Hum, goodness UNT90 you aren't supposed to use logic when talking about the RV situation. It hurts feelings.

Harry's concern is about a good coach being scared off by a banner? Really? You don't think that the next potential good coach will do his homework and do some online research. I have never gotten an answer from anyone stating why a good coach with options would chose UNT over other positions with salaries within 30% of what UNT will offer. People are done Harry and soon you this forum will be a collection of people you have personally met who have interest in the Mean Green. I have wrote the athletic department, president and alumni association yet the emperor can't even acknowledge some his failures publicly. This is a toxic situation here and you are living in a dream world if you think a good coach is coming to this toxic situation for anything less than doubling his current salary or outbid a competitive bid by almost 50%. This program is DEAD as long as RV is at the helm you are just in denial.