Mike Jackson

Now that was epic. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Why anyone is downvoting this post? Maybe Familiar connections QB’s already here?

I don’t think it is negative to want more. I didn’t downgrade who they brought in on a raw talent perspective. But anything they bring on offense is going to be handcuffed until we get efficient QB play. Everyone they brought in (except Fine ironically) have the size, arm and general athleticism to be competent D1 quarterbacks. Not to bang on Aune or Ruder too much but the data is there and it is bad. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Bringing in another 3 star to the program that didn’t pan out at another school is nothing to praise or scorn.

This long into his career I think we are more than justified believing he can’t play. At two school over 4 years he hasn’t shown much. And if Seth thought he would be good in 2022 he would be encouraging Aune to come back as a graduate assistant only. From what I heard so far Seth wants him to be available in 2022 in case he can’t find someone better.

I would have quoted @wardly also but it seem like his comment was just another great detailed echo of the two I have quoted here. (Thank you @wardlyfor all your years of support of the program ) Now for transfers. I can’t get too excited over any transfers of positions we don’t have a critical need at especially with QB being such a weakness. I want to see defensive linemen and bigger versatile DB that could start at Safety fill the ‘joker’ position on occasion. And while the WR they picked up seem impressive. He probably isn’t going to be better than Darden was here. And a great WR without an efficient QB a devalued asset. Now for QB. I considered open a topic on our QB transfer portal efforts. My question is the staff pursuing the best QB’s in the portal independent of whether they think we have a shot or not. I am not familiar with the rules. But North Texas is in a unique position with a gapping hole at QB with a roster that appears to be playing better at all the other positions in a week conference. It just seems to me the best QB’s in the portal with Texas ties need to be pursued aggressively. Even the OSU defector from Southlake. Make these guys say no. The QB that is here when the program turns the corner would be legendary for 50 years+ here. No offense to Mean Joe but we need someone on the offensive side of the ball comparable to him. Not necessarily an NFL all time great and in the discussion for best DT of all time but at least an All American multiple years here and really good starter in the NFL. I think that can be sold to right guy with that competitive edge. What do you guys think? Are these high 4 star QB transfers worth the wasted time if you don’t get them? Is the confidence an aggression you use in recruiting them helpful in getting other recruits to have a 2nd thought about before dismissing? My thought is that if you are always batting for singles you will never get a home run. I think the staff here needs to make some big swings to come back after 2022. A 8-4 or worse season without having the QB position fixed for 2023 and beyond is not a scenario I want to see.

Correct and I think they are creating an investment bubble that will burst. It’s about supply and demand. This is money grab that isn’t good for the sport long imo. What I fear is that once the diminishing financial returns of minor bowl games gets to a level that doesn’t make Financial sense they will roll them back too far. What I don’t want is a 8-4 North Texas team sitting at home in favor of a 6-6 Texas A&M. That is bad for the growth in interest in the sport overall but just minor boost in revenue short term for a program like A&M that doesn’t need the money from the bowl.

I agree exactly 0.500 just seems cheap. If they don’t change the standard to 7 wins then no team below 3rd place in their conference or division without 7 wins should be bowl eligible. And/or FCS wins shouldn’t count towards the 6. Most of the 6 win teams are 5-6 vs FBS competition that absolutely should not be bowl eligible.

Your experience is definitely not typical of casual FBS fans. I think if you did a poll more people know SDSU and their Aztecs nickname than people know Miami of Ohio. I am far more than a casual fan and upon the announcement of this game I could not have told you Miami’s nickname for $1,000 without looking it up. RedHawks still sound weird to me. Were they an “Indians/Native American” casualty? I vaguely remember something like that with them. Or am I confusing them with ULM and Arkansas State? As for selling out that to me makes having just in the plus side of mediocre coach unsustainable and restrictive of the program’s growth. I think the defenders of Seth don’t share that opinion. 🤷🏽‍♂️ If we were drawing 25K+ consistently before he got here and in his first couple years, I wouldn’t have a big problem staying for 2022 given the circumstances. On the field as mess up as it sounds, we have to catch up to UAB and UTSA. The UTSA win was nice but if you are recruiting against UAB, UTSA and SMU in just recent success we lag behind. And nor does a win against Miami of Ohio in the Frisco “we have more teams than bowl game spots available” classic bowl. You are asking a lot from fans to come out to HOPEFULLY see mediocrity +1 vs teams they don’t care about. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I’ll watch and hope they win but the highlight of the season still will be beating UTSA No matter the outcome. And to me that is not a good spot to be in. So drawing SDSU is a win for UTSA. A win would be suitable season highlight for them.

Horrible comparison 1. JH wasn’t the highest paid HC in his division 2. Seth’s program has continuous FBS level play, tenure in position, location, and facilities advantage on most of his division rivals. JH doesn’t have that. We need to stop these comparisons and just look forward to 2022. I think most likely he will be here. I wish there was an awesome HC in waiting anxiously awaiting coming here and staying for a decade. But he doesn’t exist right now.

San Diego State >>> Miami 🤫of Ohio. That and more combined wins this season and appearances on regular cable TV.

They don’t have to if they lose but if they don’t it only means there aren’t better options available. I just hope the 6 years of experience and learning from his mistakes payoff big time in year 7. My fear is his ceiling going forward is 8-4 and 2 or 3rd place in their CUSA/AAC we will waste a decade just being on the plus side of mediocre. Even after 3 years at that ceiling we don’t get to the goal of selling out Apogee. We have to do that for recruiting and make those bigger steps we all dream of.

Turnout predictions anyone?

This comment points out the lack of a shrug response/reaction 🤷🏽‍♂️ in the regular options. Not worthy of a down or up vote. I was confused by the announcement especially when I got 404 error when I clicked on it the first time then Google “Frisco Bowl” and saw the UTSA vs SDSU game for the 21st. Frisco is nice but is it nice enough to have 2 bowls?

Can we air our grievances in a ceremony if they lose or maybe Seth can wrestle Wren if we win for the bowl game bonus. 🤣🤣🤣

I acknowledge that but like I said in another form. Seth came her as a sling the ball around “let it fly” coach. Even with this winning streak, the passing accuracy has efficiency has been going down 3 straight years. He hasn’t been able to develop recruit or develop a successor to Mason Fine. And he has a been shot of finding a living breathing unicorn than another “too short” high school QB to play QB. I can’t tell you what Seth is really good at in year 6 and doesn’t bode well for division championship hopes next year.

Yes, and these big money donors can’t own the program. Look how that has worked out at UT. The goal for this program’s bottom line is to have MORE big money donors. And you aren’t going to get them by being mediocre. I can’t say for certain but there are probably several alumni that were students in early 2000s that are on their way to be able to being to afford being big money donors. Those alumni remember what winning felt like and these 6-6 season without a division or conference title don’t cut it. None of these “Big Money Donors” are worth even 500 million I would estimate. Otherwise I think they would usher Seth out the door barring a great bowl appearance.

That apathy is no excuse for poor performance. If it is why play game in front crowd you would see at a high school game? Why try with a defeated attitude? Why put in all the work as a player, coach, or Adminstrator if fan apathy is an insurmountable obstacle to winning? 🙄

When I accept that this is the standard for most Mean Green Fans that care enough to support the program I won’t be a fan anymore. Because if we aren’t winning a G5 conference or division title at least every 5 years it is pointless. It does nothing for the profile of the university. A hit 6 standard is just waiting around for the new huge shift in FBS requirements or conference re-alignment that makes us a FCS program again practically or actually.

I get that but we are a middle of the pack in a huge post 1995 FBS landscape. But often we talk on this forum like we are the worse or at least a bottom 15 FBS program in the country. In this modern FBS landscape we haven’t been that since 2000. And we had only graduated one 4 FBS recruiting class by that time. Everything we need is here to be on par with best G5 programs in the country. We would have been likely left behind in CUSA otherwise. Granted we have underachieved with those resources. And one of my biggest complaints on this board is the is Embracement of underachieving mediocre football. “Never been prouder” of a 6-6 team whose biggest accomplishment so far is beating one those new post 2000 programs and acting the coach is good and on his way to being when the numbers say otherwise.

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I hope this is sarcasm especially the “never been prouder” part. This season is equivalent to you child goofing off, not doing his homework or studying for half of the semester and rallying to get his grade up to a C- if gets a B or aces the final exam he has yet to take.

Did I say they were? Nor did I suggest they were. Those are the actual numbers no embellishment needed. That is the problem when perception doesn’t match the reality. And we repeat perception that is based on nothing except being on TV more often on a forum promoting our program it is distasteful to me. If I were negatively recruiting against UNT I would send the recruit to this forum. and that is the absurdity they aren’t winning anything. Hell why coach here if the fan shit on all the previous accomplishments? 🙄. Do I want more? Hell we all should! But you can do that without taking a huge 💩 accomplishments that other “more prestigious” programs don’t have.

They all count. We’ve been bad but let’s see. How many conference titles does the bottom half of the Big 12 have? Teams like KSU (1, shared) Colorado (0) Kansas (0) and Missouri (0) Texas Tech (0). Even if you change the standard to a division title the numbers don’t look better. Before Art Briles had Baylor won anything? UCLA has 2 since 1995. Half the schools I already Mentioned are Flagship Universities for their entire state. I probably name another dozen or more if I cared to because there are at least 50 programs that have been playing FBS from 1995 on that don’t have 4 conference title or even 1 division title. But continue buy into the dragging of our program based on nebulous standards that are changed on a whim. Whenever someone wants to make a point UNT football suck and we should be happy with mediocrity we buy it no questions asked. 🙄

So you can only really be judged compared to your peers. And in FBS that is your conference. So look below. That 13 is out over 100 programs in FBS. We are not that absurdly pathetic as so quick to co-sign on.

Man I had look this up myself.