Mike Jackson

How bad is UTEP? 😳

I don’t think my liver could handle that “Kool-Aide” 🤣

We know that. After 7 years buying season tickets I just donate now. The ticket office is terrible. And while many are letting Wren slide because the job is challenging here you can’t retain Seth AND have a bad ticket office /marketing campaign. You have to generate and maintain interest via Football no offense to fans/supporters/lettermen of other sports but Football leads the way. I am going to games and donating out of sheer DEVOTION you can’t get new/younger fans/alumni to the devotion level without winning consistently OR having a great ticket office. I am really worried about our program last long term. Right now if I am being honest I don’t expect North Texas to be playing FBS level football if I live into my 80s or 90s. I hope I am wrong.

Exactly, no purpose in bringing Seth but to bet against the his trend here. A declining passing game ever since Mason Fine graduated.

Love the T-shirts

Not new topic worthy but I was excited to hear this. The spots to move into officially have a date. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/cincinnati-houston-ucf-to-join-big-12-in-2023-as-aac-paves-way-for-conference-usa-additions/amp/

So sick of this pointless debate. Until Seth leads a NT football winning whatever conference we are in and a bowl game no one should trying to be comparing him favorably to Dickey. A Bowl appearance are win are FAR easier achievements to reach today that in 2000-2005 FBS landscape. Startup Sun Belt? Granted but who cares? There isn’t an asterisk on those rings, trophies or memories. Seth record against newer FBS programs /restarts Charolette 0-2 ODU 1-1 UAB. 1-3* the win a 3 point victory UAB’s first year back He has a good record against UTSA. That and beating up on old established G5 powerhouses like UTEP & Rice keeps him employed.

Omg thank you for that 😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Is there anything to do in El Paso besides the game that weekend?

More unnecessary redundant complaining for games that aren’t marketable because of our losing history. You want better than mediocre or bad TV slots? Find a better than mediocre coaching/recruiting staff and get rid of mediocre/bad ones before they can stack up 3 consecutive mediocre/bad seasons and go into possible 4th with 2 years remaining on their contract. The ratings for the games in question will be terrible if we perform as expected. These networks aren’t running a non-profit and Seth sure as heck isn’t paid like he is running one. Judy certainly has her faults. But if I were her I would not take gruff from an underachieving program who happens to be 2nd biggest school in my conference and the one in my largest media market not putting a winning team on the field casual college football TV fans want to see. We haven’t maximized our potential to help a conference sell it’s media right because we lose too much. Maybe if we got a P5 at home every other year in addition to maintaining out of conference home & home series with SMU, I would revel in condemning CUSA leadership & Judy. We didn’t do that and on top of that we haven’t replicated the conference dominance we had for over the Sun Belt in this new conference. Furthermore the worse loss in our post 1995 FBS level history was under the CUSA banner. Those PSU WRs blew by our defense while running over CUSA logos on our field to 66 points. So putting myself in Judy’s shoes our complaining hits a little like Fredo’s complaining about being passed over in The Godfather saga. Stop it whining about TV appearances when they don’t deserved exposure above Stadium TV, Facebook TV, ESPN 3 or some other relatively obscure streaming service. (We crapped the bed for holding up our end of the bargain for what should been a thrilling CUSA finale with more on the line for us than barely qualifying for a “participation bowl”). Responses to the original post should be thanks for sharing and/or what we are looking forward to see in these televised/streamed games. Citing the games with 0 coverage is fair too. But we are in no position throw shots at CUSA, Judy, or our TV partners for bad time slots.

It’s that fundamental truth that is in my mind when people make “excuses” for this program and defend mediocre (or below) coaches with no conference championships or bowl wins. There are no college football program in country with below 0.500 record all time against FBS competition, FCS/I-AA Titles, no major bowl wins or major bowl appearances getting good TV ratings. We have yet to even appear in a bowl game with 20 year history at the time we played in it. (At least the New Orleans Bowl is now over 20 years old else our bowl appearances would look totally irrelevant). So while I realize people here love our school and football, but we should stop giving leadership a benefit 5 years into any tenure. We could be loving this program to death all while whistling past the graveyard. So until hit 8 wins+ in back to back seasons and at least win one conference title or bowl win in that 2 year span everyone needs to stop complaining about “outside forces” holding this program back. This program needs to get the point where we can legitimately point to outside forces for struggling at the G5 level. There is no external reason why we could not be on par with the Houston Cougars, San Diego State or others schools that are not their state’s flagship University System’s main campus but located in a major metro area today. Stay over at or over 60% for winning for 4 years then it is totally fair and logical to complain about apathetic alumni and outside forces.

Exactly and but I guess University of Houston don’t have any pro teams around there to make them suck so UTSA can aspire to be like them. 🤣

You have to beat the opponent in front of you. Need I remind you that only reason the Cowboys became available to Jerry Jones to buy was the consistent LOSING, low attendance and TV Blackout of a few home games. This program has a reputation for losing. None of our the pro teams aren’t to the affect losing has on apathy. When we beat Arkansas that got a ton of coverage because we had a good record and the bear a well known program. And the tickets for our games are no where near the prices for bad seats at a Cowboys game. UNT sports is not competing for pro sports consumers. And to suggest they are is just foolish. All time we have a below 0.500 record against CUSA opponents. We are 0.500 all time and way below that if you throw out our record as a FCS team or against FCS teams as an FBS team. And I shutter to think what our overall records would look if we didn’t beat up on UTEP, New Mexico State, and Texas State. We are a combined +50 against those teams. The apathy here is EARNED. Here with a whole bunch of losses to the teams “we care about”. You could give out free tickets and not pack Apogee with 3 losing seasons for every season with 8 wins+

Didn’t realize Dallas Cowboys were recruiting and snatching 3 star prospects and underclassmen from the transfer portal. Are fall Sundays, Mondays, and Thursdays The only time prospects can visit UNT campus? How did Lil Ole private school TCU get back to national prominence after being left out of the Big 12? How did SMU ever get ranked again after being left out of the Big 12 and before that getting the death penalty? The pro football thing only applies to game attendance. Stop it with the excuses. The self-inflict it wounds here are too numerous to recount here. And I am in the opinion that we are witnessing another wound infliction by retaining an offensive 0.500 coach whose offensive specialty (remember let it fly) has been on a downward/flatline trend 3 straight years. You can support this team without making excuses for them. Show me “we beat UTSA” trophy. Where were we ranked after that great victory? Did we get a good bowl game because it with an opponent people knew and wanted to see from that UTSA victory? I know UTSA got a CUSA championship trophy after that and in spite of that “devastating” lost. And yes we can beat them and there is no excuse for not beating them 2 out every 3 times for the first 15 years of their program. But minus this freakishly bad weather game we would be below 0.500 to them right now 9 years into this rivalry. Seth should already be gone and saying things like “San Antonio is the second largest city in Texas with no pro competition” is kind of logitech keeps mediocrity going here. There are too many resources here to have any Excuse for consistent mediocrity and more really bad seasons than really great seasons. I challenge you to look at the other 12 Texas schools that play FBS level football over the past 10 years look at their resources comparing them to ours and our outcomes. I think you will come to the conclusion that we drastically underachieving. So giving copious kudos points for a victory over a 10 year old program just doesn’t make sense to me. Especially when it barely got up to 6 win threshold without beating 6 FBS teams. At the end of the regular season we were still sub 0.500 against FBS teams. Then topped it off with a hard fought loss against Juggernaut Ohio St—- I mean Ohio Bobcat— er I mean Miami of Ohio, Yes The victory over UTSA was fun but it shouldn’t have saved Seth’s job by itself because it was a bad season. It wasn’t a disaster but, it was bad. A below 500 record against FBS teams season is a bad season. We should be better than UTSA we should be like 6-3 at worst against them and have a CUSA title like they do.

Exactly and that is not even mentioning that UTSA started their program from scratch in 2009, and UAB shuttered their program for 2 years.

Now there is an update that is wanted.

You've got to bear those teams you bring in nobody cares about consistently. And the only teams we beat consistently OOC are FCS teams. I think it is more important to have later season OOC games against big brand schools. You don't have to win but you need try be within 10 points going into the 4th quarter to get positive feedback from media and unaffiliated fans

The Antonio Brown experiment hurt him drastically. Darden is perfect take at least 1/3 of the snaps they would have with a WR in the slot. With AB there he took all those snaps. Not to mention being a A-hole that I don't think would mentor a young player it turn from a great situation to a challenging once when AB joined the roster.

A running backs coach from almost 20 years ago? Is this someone we’re dreaming of bringing back as head coach? I don’t see why he is interesting enough to warrant an update unless he had stated he dreams of being a college football head coach this region of the country. He is more likely to retire before coming back here.

I believe this will be way more damaging to the fan experience than NIL or transfer rules. NIL nor transfer rules ended rivalries Conference re-alignment did. Now you may no longer even be guaranteed some annual rivalry games even with teams in the same conference. Rivalry games get me to watch teams I am not necessarily invested in.

To even be on GMG.com you have to part of the smallest most patient FBS fanbase in Texas short of UTEP & Rice. I mean with all those winning seasons and big time bowl games we have to be spoiled. Some are still patiently waiting for a baseball program to get started. 😂

We can compare offer list all day but it is all speculation. There are many factors determining whether a player with all the physical tools and good highschool tape don't get offered by a particular P5 school. It is a crap shoot, especially at QB, on who pans out and who doesn't. If we were talking about any other position I would put more weight into the differences between P5 offer list. You can take 3 guys at any other position in the same class and they all get significant playing time or they could change positions easier and have an impact.

The coaching that was my main point.

Exactly and Ruder had an injury history that was used as an excuse for Mean Green fans thinking a healthy Ruder would take CUSA by storm. Seth can recruit QB’s with the desired physical attributes but can he coaching them up? The answer has been a resounding “No". The best QB here he has had by a huge margin is the guy we got because most thought he was too small for D1 football. I see another Ruder that pushes the original Ruder down the depth chart maybe.

Absolutely spot on. A 6-6 bowl team just keeps the diehards hanging on. Doesn’t help recruiting nor attendance.