Mike Jackson

Absolutely, that was the closet you can get to a game saving punt as you can get.

That was so perfect thank you for the 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

A very meh performance so far. I believe Rice operating today with a 3rd string inexperienced QB. We are at home with a conference championship game appearance on the line. And we have a more talented roster. 🤷🏽‍♂️

The point for most Seth should not have started this season as head coach. Nothing we’ve seen in his entire tenure should give anyone confidence that he will be able to bring home an AAC Championship. My standard is to have an outside chance to win your conference (or qualify for championship game appearance) with 2 games or less left on the scheduled. If you are evaluating him based on that he is 2-5.

I gave you a ray what does it mean? My policy from now on is to own my down votes with counter point comment. But I expect Mean Green Football fans to have thicker skin. A lot of people use the last 40 years of mediocrity to defend particular players, coaches, and administrators they have an affinity for. The flip side of that should be having a thicker skin than your average « T-Shirt and winning streak » fan. And yes I downvoted the original post @greenjoe you are welcome. You know I am kind pissed too because you might have exceeded my career lead in cumulative down votes. 😄. Are records even kept of that? I think they should and maybe a reaction that allows voters to differentiate what they think are honest bad takes and others that are troll attempts.

I think we need someone with better name recognition coming from a P5 program with experience as Cooridinator recruiting heavily within 400 mile radius of Denton. And I don’t know by looking at his résume that he can bring top notch coordinators with him.

I am sure it is a very nice paycheck but in the modern landscape Nebraska isn’t a good job. The recruits you need to compete with best of the Big 10 have other options more attractive and with better weather than Nebraska.

Also state of the program, I know we had a horrific season the season before he arrived but the program was just 2 years removed from a bowl win. It wasn’t like taking over Buffalo or Umass a couple years ago.

As I watch Lane Kiffin coach Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl tonight I am reminded that he had NFL and blue blood P5 program head coaching experience before coaching at FAU. If they could get Kiffin we could get Kingsbury. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Kiffin

And outside the P5 the AAC is not a weak conference. 🙄 Getting recruiting classes that are on par with P5 programs is a rarity. The few G5 programs that recruit at that level are usually the ones who have a dropped down to G5 during the 90s realignment that ended the SWC or about to make a push to join a P5 conference. With the transfer portal today these projections don't mean as much as they once did especially within a state where 6 P5 schools (old Big 12 South plus TCU & Houston make 😎 majority of their starting roster from kids in this state. I am aspirational as any Mean Green fan posting stuff bordering on 99% just wishful thinking hiring getting Kliff Kingsbury as head coach. The goal is winning conference, you do that consistent we definitely beat a few OOC teams that are G5 level. The landscape has changed a ton since Dickey was here. Yes you always strive for the best in everything we do but subjective projections before games are played don’t matter if you win. As long as you don’t cap winning seasons with uncompetitive bowl game losses against mediocre G5 teams, winning conference makes you golden here.

The only recruiting projection that matter are ones within your conference. Now when it comes to evaluating your coaching staff in state ranking matter also. But regardless you don’t want to be at the bottom of any list remotely connected to talent on your team or coming to your team.

TAMU fans would like to have a word with you... Well many words and most of them with 4 letters.

I hear Kliff Kingsbury might fired by the Arizona Cardinals by the end of the season. If he becomes available if he becomes available, would it be worth Wren Baker's time to pursuit him? I think he would be a perfect fit for UNT right now. He is a Mike Leach disciple whose name generates interest around here. Also, since we run a variation of the Mike Leach system now losses via the transfer portal on offense should be minimal. It also makes the coordinator positions here more attractive for up-and-coming coordinators not quite ready to be head coaches. You might even get Graham Harrell to come back as "future head coach in waiting" under Cliff. I think trying to get him is definitely worth a shot, the more public, the pursuit, the better. It just gives us the appearance of a program really trying to get better. Look at Lane Kiffin’s resume before FAU landed him. If they could get Kiffin, we could get Kingsbury. 🤷🏽‍♂️ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Kiffin

Chiefly because of lack of investment. Dickey won conference championships and a bowl game. Mac won a bowl game and his best season in CUSA is comparable to Seth's best season. Hiring a high school coach (and not surround him with experienced FBS coaches day one). There are just as many bad coaches as there are mediocre coaches. Our run at the FCS/D 1AA was beyond apathy. I was a kid living across I-35 from Fouts for a chunk of that period and I thought the stadium was exclusively used for track events or high school football. If someone told me UNT folded their program completely like UTA did I would have believed them. Before Apogee was built head coaches were at a disadvantage here. We have had 2 head coaches at Apogee both have had 9 win season here. At worse I expect the next coach to manage get to 5-7 at the end of his 2nd season.

Nothing tangible except his teams having a higher floor. Dodge shouldn't even be in the discussion. Dickey went undefeated back to back seasons + a half season in the old SBC. Also Dickey had unacceptable facilities to deal with and we were relatively new to the FBS level when he took the job (1995 our first season back at FBS Dickey hired 1998).

Not remotely similar until you show me something in Seth's UNT trophy case.

And as I lay out the facts this "out of the box" thinking has no logical foundation. A lot of people on this board act like Seth is in his 3rd year of taking a FCS program up to FBS. Not a program that been around over 100 years and most of the last 50 years at FBS level. This is more that low bar mentality that a few people rolled their eyes at here. Nothing about Seth's tenure here has been "outstanding". Plenty of coaches could have come here and replicated the mediocre results in bottom or second to the bottom G5 conference we've been in.

🙄 Well then he must be a terrible recruiter for the offensive side of the ball especially for quarterbacks. For his entire tenure I think most on this board would agree with the assessment there has been more than sufficient talent on offense for CUSA level but they don’t consistently execute. Now that may lay all with the lack luster QB play be an “outstanding” offensive mind should be able to compensate around that. Let's look at offensive efficiency: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2021 2019 Seth's offense ranked 107th 2020 Seth's offense ranked 70th 2021 Seth's offense ranked 98th 2022 on pace to be 56th Nothing outstanding about those ranking. And ironically for 2019 he had Mason Fine taking the vast majority of pass attempts. I think your perception is clouded by bland run heavy tenures of Mac & Dickey. Dodge doesn't even count because second half of games were usually just garbage time with just a little more instensity than a live scrimmage. I don't who to credit for our program's consistent production on the ground whenever we consistently attempt to run it. We always seem to have good to great running backs here with OLs that are pretty good blocking. I see nothing in the offensive numbers justify retaining Seth as OC. If a head coach here wants to bring back Seth in 3-5 years I wouldn't have a problem with it. He isn't in the class of Briles, Kiffen, Riley, Dykes, Leach or Sark. Therefore I see no justification for such an unconventional move. And it could possibly lay the foundation to fracture the new coach staff hierarchy when challenges inevitably come.

Beating Rice at this point in Seth’s tenure taking everything into account is very basic. They are supposed to beat a Rice team that isn’t in conference championship contention at home. This is a don’t get fired level game with one year left on your contract type of game. There last 2 games were blowout losses preceded by squeaking by UTEP at home in OT. Years 1-4 this game would significant positive credit worthy. Any win deserves credit including this one but that credit should be low.

That may only apply here and not Littrell's next job. And the only great offensive X & O thing I have seen from him is pretty consistently being able to run out of the spread formation, especially if defenses aren’t selling out to stop it. Knowing this it is odd to me that it seems he wants more of a pocket passer to run his system. If Aune was a home run threat in the option game his 55% completions wouldn’t be a big negative and we probably win the UTSA game. He could not get it to work with Jason Bean, a running QB who is clearly talented enough to be dynamic in CUSA play.

This covering Seth's whole tenure. And listing these young programs and how coaches at these programs have exceeded anything Seth has done here is the point. Coaches at these programs have done or are currently doing more with than what Seth has here. Seth is a mediocre coach that most likely would have done worse at these programs new to FBS.

Take a look at these programs new to FBS post 2001. Notice anything? The 0.500 coach with no bowl wins, no conference championship, never earned home conference championship game appearance we are debating his future here. Seth with coaching tenure advantage against all these teams he has played has lost to all of them he has played under those conditions except FIU. Winless against Charolette, beaten whenever conference championship is on the line against UTSA.

Absolutely this!!! I think some younger fans/alumni has ZERO clue how hard it was keep NTSU competitive with the entirety of College Football cheating like gang busters with MUCH deeper pockets than NTSU. But during that era this program was competitive in its conference so much that Fry took us independent to get better game and national respect. The landscape has DRASTICALLY changed post 2000 to the point startup programs like UTSA, South Alabama, FAU and Liberty can experience great success. Look at the list below. Some of these programs have raced past Seth during his tenure. Look at this list below. And please remember that 2 coaches at UAB have beaten Seth's team since they folded the program and came back. They aren't even included on this list below.

All the praise/defense of Seth boils down to "his teams have a higher floor than what is possible at UNT ie (1 win season and losing to an FCS team).". At least that is what it sounds like to me. I don't want to be on the floor in the first place so that is never in consideration. Striving to be mediocre isn't what sports are about. Being best you can be while fairly competing is. The ceiling of this program is not 10 wins. If toddler aged program UTSA can finish a season with 1 loss in CUSA, UNT can finish a season in AAC with 2 losses. I have seen nothing since Fine left than makes me think Seth can get us there. Morever since Bean left and showed he belongs on the field against P5 competition Seth looks worse. Maybe Aune and the rest of that QB room are worse than we complain about and Seth is working miracles. But that still doesn’t make me feel any better about him because he couldn’t recruit better or evaluate better before he recruited them. If you’re an offensive head coach, and you can’t select and develop good quarterbacks, you cannot survive in the pass happy world of FBS football today.

⏫ This⏫. I was going be a little more precise and mention an over 0.600 in conference winning percentage. Suffice to say if the goals cited above are met UNT is there. I am a little more Lenient on Championship game wins. Beating P5 team that unexpectedly had an above average season for them in a bowl game is worth just as much to our brand imo. And while I don't value Bowl game win against a P5 blue blood having a down with a head coach beyond their first full season I would take that also as a conference championship equivalent. Also I like the standard 5 year contract with the buyout for year 5 dismisssal being that year's salary plus 15%.