Mike Jackson

He will but it may be a bigger step down than anyone anticipated.

Not when it comes to PR and you have a well known position that has a connection with government. Now if you are an elected alleged thief and/or pervert then you get the benefit of law…. Well at least until your political party turns its back on you. 🤷🏽‍♂️ As for Seth, I really hope he gets a new job soon. However, I think him being unemployed at this point confirms my belief that he was a little overrated when he got the job here. Otherwise, I think he would have gotten P5 coordinator job by now. Or at least we would have heard rumors of him being a finalist for a high profile P5 coordinator position. The impressive numbers his offense put up here were more a function more of pro football talent on a G5 offense than typical IMO. I think he is just a little above average OC.

I think you are exaggerating on an old man scale. All we need is for both teams to be good* for a decade and UNT to be 6-4 during that period. Only guys over 35 know the history and put weight into it. *SMU only has to be 0.500 during this run.

How many of those TV dollars buy wins or fans in seats? And with the 12 team playoff, bowls are even less compelling post season exhibition games that even more transferring and draft eligible players will skip. These are points an AD will bring up when negotiating his next contract but meaningless to recruits and most fans. The only thing I really want UNT to be in a P5 for is stability and survival when inevitably the upper half of FBS will have to start treating players like employees. I only see that as financially viable in P5 conferences and even some the weaker P5 teams will just drop out. I see no more than 80-100 participants in this new semi-pro model of FBS. If that number is below 80 I wouldn’t be surprised.

Taking that logic to the extreme we should try to build a conference full of FBS bottom feeders. I am neutral on SMU in our conference, I just want to play them and beat them enough to make the game a stop down sports rivalry event for the DFW area. And the PAC-12 is now P5-Lite at best now and trending down. And if SMU becomes the Vanderbilt of best possible lineup of a PAC-12 without USC and UCLA that makes beating them less fun IMO. 🤷🏽‍♂️

The fact that you are on a board of an old FCS team that has caught up to your current conference spouting this is the richest of ironies. I wonder what is the going rent rate for space in Highland Park heads? 😂

Without UCLA & USC cheerleaders what’s the point?

It isn’t just PR. The PAC 12 is in the worst position by far of the P5 conferences. My pure logic base speculation is that Washington and Oregon should really consider taking their football programs independent if they are not going to get 30 million plus with the next PAC 12 deal. There isn’t some anti PAC 12 conspiracy, the math is easy. If Notre Dame’s bargain basement number for football only after the current deal is 40 million with NBC (reports are already out that the opening bid will be at least 60 million and their currently already getting 25 million). Washington/Oregon can schedule any G5 team they want on a whim (including P5 teams Texas Tech, Baylor, and Houston) for recruiting purposes and ratings. If building a complete compelling football schedule isn’t a challenge and your other programs can easily find a conference home, there is no reason not to explore what is financially available for going independent. They could always backtrack and go back to the PAC 12 if they don’t like the bids they get. Minimally it is logical that Oregon and Washington would get 30 million based on deals already signed. Virtually guaranteed afternoon and Saturday evening FBS content for NBC from September till the first Saturday in December. And NBC pays only around 120 million per year 60 million for Notre Dame and 60 million for Oregon/Washington combined.

So the big money media rights deal paying a depleted PAC 12 adding SMU and maybe SDSU is a done deal right? I am sure those great Southern California viewership numbers for SDSU and DFW area SMU game viewership numbers have media executives salivating to pay the PAC 12 well over 30 million per team. Man, I am going to rush out a bulk buy SMU season tickets to scalp them for all those Cal, Stanford, Colorado and SDSU fans that are going to pack Ford Stadium.

For more background on the sinking ship that SMU fan…err I mean fans can’t wait to ride down with. 😂

Especially as the market for televised FBS games changes. An unintended consequence of having a 12 team playoff and losing historical conference rivalries will be diminished viewership. All of these moves except for the playoff are short sighted and greedy for the big brand schools. Outside of the matchups of the featuring the upper half, upper 1/3 of Big 10 schools, and 4 anchor schools of the PAC 12 none of the conference game catalogs drive eyeballs to screens. Now that the PAC 12 is the only P5 shopping for a new deal media outlet executives and looking at that data. My teenage boys were VAGUELY interested in the Super Bowl this year. A generation ago in Texas that was a rarity. If they don’t go a school with a passionate football tradition, I don’t see them becoming regular FBS game viewers. Most people don’t go to 4 Year universities let alone universities than play FBS football. The long term prospects for regular season FBS game viewership are poor (especially the first 6 weeks of the season among all but the best big brands). Who really going to rush to a streaming service or cable network to watch unranked 4-2 UCLA vs 3-2 Nebraska other than diehard fans?

I think you are right and others have stated that the unofficial P5 designation will fade away very fast with USC, Oklahoma, Texas, and UCLA cutting all ties with their historical regional conference. Even the Big 10 and SEC won't resemble their old conferences outside of a few rivalry games. UT vs TAMU being associated with the SEC just doesn't sound right. And UCLA vs USC being a Big 10 game sounds even worse. These conferences are way too big IMO. And it diminishes conference games as a whole. The magic number for conference football membership is 12 for me. Far too many OOC matchups have never happened. Texas has never played FSU. Alabama has never played Arizona. Washington has never played Georgia. The fact that two titans LSU and Michigan have never played each other is ridiculous. Those just came off the top of my head and verified them on winsipedia.com. Maybe we get a lot of these matchups in a playoff. However, I believe seeing these games in those great home stadiums in September and October are just better.

Air Force in particular makes a ton of sense with Navy already in the conference. Air Force vs Navy conference game potentially frees up non-conference game slots for both of them. Also gives me a reason to make Navy vs Air Force appointment TV when it doesn’t conflict with watching/attending a Mean Green game. And trips to Colorado in early fall are beautiful.

I also hope we play and beat them at 55% rate going forward (with SMU fielding good teams) regardless of whether it’s a conference game or not. A FBS program at a big public school in Texas that doesn’t consistently remain above 0.500 is a waste of money.

Without UCLA & USC plus Washington and Oregon on their way out, that isn’t exactly the "Pac 12" I or any other Mean Green fan dreamed of joining. Watching UNT play a Cal Bears team that hasn't been ranked in a decade at 9:30 PM on Friday or Saturday night is not my idea of appointments TV. And we DEFINITELY aren't going to a SMU board to crow about it. We have the crazy idea that playing and beating higher profile teams in our region annually in Denton is the goal (short of championships, playoff appearances and high profile bowl victories), not conference affiliation to get coaches and support staff bigger paychecks for fielding mediocre teams. I learned my lesson in regards to conference affiliation with our move to CUSA. If you aren't winning championships or playing higher profile regional teams then conference affiliation does little for the fan experience. Hell a 25 year home and home series with Boise State as they climbed to prominence (grabbing at least 7 victories over that time) from our shared time in the Big West would have been far more enjoyable than our times playing UAB and Southern Miss in CUSA. And those 2 series were the highlight of what we gained as fans from the CUSA tenure. In summary if you aren't beating teams local casual fans care about what are you actually achieving from a market impact perspective? Very little is my answer unless you have a 4 year run of ending seasons ranked in the top 25 and in discussion for a playoff birth: If I extend all these SMU supporters and apologist a hearty congratulations for their ascension to the ranks of P5 also rans will they go to SMU board and entertain the crickets hanging on their every word?

Man drop the 🎤 and take a victory lap. 😂😂😂😂

Finally some of the important driving factors that make this a more lateral transfer for SMU. The PAC 12 messed up by not pairing Houston with another school from this region. Adding Houston, and a I-35 corridor school makes a lot more sense than adding SMU and any other G-5 school west of Louisiana. I just happen to think North Texas has more potential to grow viewership in the DFW area that SMU. If SMU was public with 25k plus current students and 300k local alumni the addition to the PAC 12 would have happened shortly after the addition of Colorado. They may have be invited in place of Utah. But now the Pac 12 is an extremely unstable conference more so than the Big 12. Their only hope is weaker additions to the Big 10 find the bigger checks with empty stadiums due to their inability to compete little comfort and cause another big re-alignment tilting towards slightly smaller conferences. In this case I believe the small private SMU will be figuratively subsidizing the large public PAC 12 schools without much athletic success to show for it.

Nope. This is just all money based, and all the financials of the realignment of the G5 conferences are final. The only other move that it has an extremely small chance of impacting is USC & UCLA to the Big 10 (a far more negative impact to college football than the SEC expansion). But that impact is driven by a domino effect with network conference rights deals. Football wise in the long term I suspect this will be more negative move for OU than Texas. OU can’t afford to be mediocre. I would have thought they would look at the example Nebraska provides and would have pumped the brakes on a move to the SEC. Nebraska is rolling in money and irrelevancy since the move. And the consistent relative success of the program was its biggest recruiting positive it could hold over most program. Texas will be fine because they are used to being irrelevant nationally without Mack Brown.

Agree 100% and this again is another example of leadership thinking small and taking half measures. It would have been great if he had an official salaried role starting in 1995 going forward. Maybe it was offered but how many of you would bet something significant that an official offer was made to Joe during that time? And I also think the term milked is properly used. Exactly the feeling I get when they repeat that Coke commercial. Overall the athletic department has done a bad job properly honoring legends at the proper time, magnitude and context. I often bring up Odus Mitchell because I believe his contribution are criminally undervalued and minimally acknowledged. There is NO FOOTBALL program here without his success. He Intergrated college FBS football in Texas. We aren’t talking about North Texas Football legends Abner Hayes, Leon King and Joe Greene without Mitchell. And it very unlikely Hayden Fry chooses to come UNT without the foundation Mitchell’s regime built.

None that I know of. And during his prime in Westling he never promoted any connection to UNT or North Texas region. Is was nice to see Kevin Von Erich at Apogee but it was an event at least 15 years too late to get the best hype possible for the program. It would be cool to see a game day promotion featuring Steve but given the history with those kinds of things I wouldn’t bet on it. I am still waiting for a Nora Jones concert at UNT. To my knowledge she has never performed here since becoming a high profile success. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Should topic be moved to the (There Should be Pie For Everyone Forum)?

CFL pay I know is better overall but with Canadian taxes and being a backup in CFL the difference might be minimal. I assume he would start in the USFL.

🙄 now if Seth was special teams coordinator that day then I would see Arkansas fans being more receptive to hiring him at Special Teams Coordinator.

As someone who grew up in DFW area making several trips using I-35W it has always seemed odd to me that the Bonnie Brae St exit was the first and only exit for Denton on I-35W (if you don't count the exit for I-35E as an exit for Denton). The FM 2449/Vintage Road exit does get you into Denton but at the intersection the exit takes you to you are in Ponder until you turn right (if you are traveling in the North Bound direction because if you travel South to anything owned by UNT you would not use I-35W at all). My question is to anyone that cares what do you think of my proposed solutions to this issue and what would you do if you had the power. I realize that we are at the mercy of Denton City/County government and Texas DOT. Also if you know why infrastructure development of this area has lagged behind glaringly compared to the virtually every segment of the I-35E/I-35W triangle it would be greatly appreciated. Now that the sport complex is there and I travel to Denton using I-35W for UNT events it is traveling this way unnecessarily difficult imo. Also if UNT leadership is full speed ahead on making plans for a basketball arena near Bonnie Brae in the sports complex I think this I-35W access issue is even more important. Make an exit at Corbin Street and repair the bridge on Corbin Street. (FYI* according to an internet search of Corbin Street a lot priced at 1.4 million is for sale along it) Get rid of the "Bonnie Brae" exit in favor of an Airport Road exit. Improve and widen the Airport Rd bridge, make it more perpendicular to I-35W and logical 'T' shape intersection with Bonnie Brae. There are couple of properties on the west side of Bonnie Brae with access roads that connect to Bonnie Brae. One those properties could be purchase and the private access roads could be improved, made public and connected to I-35W.

I don't think that would have the effect you desire. Primarily I just think the advertising needs to be consistent. Gameday: Kickoff times not dictated by our TV obligations should be 6:00 pm or 7:00 pm. Those suggested kickoff time are NOT my preference but it traditionally those are most frequent kickoff times. The Alumni Pavilion needs to be doubled in size. On the higher attended game days the Alumni Pavilion is woefully overcrowded to be point of being uncomfortable. The current Alumni Pavilion would have been inadequate to host a watch party when they were undefeated going on the road to play Arkansas. Post Game fireworks for wins Post Win band performance after the playing "Glory to the Green" with the team. If they could pull off a formation in the shape of the tower simulating lighting the tower green playing the fight song that would be great. Rotating local popular food trucks inside and outside the stadium A Climate controlled "cover charge for entry" for regular fans. Either you can purchase that as an add on to regular ticket. There have been several bad weather games I left early only because I could not find a comfortable place to dry off, maybe change socks and return to the elements to cheer on my team) First Home game of the year; open Super Pit for pregame Pep Rally - 90 minutes before kickoff band marches from the floor of the Super Pit, down N. Texas Blvd across bridge, around the circular hilltop sidewalk, a limited march through the Blue Parking Either invest in the Red Lot and make all weather, widen Bonnie Brae to Willowwood St. Or make Black Lot 2.5 x the size it is now. (I will have another thread on Corin Street, Bonnie Brae, Willowwood and the surrounding neighborhood) https://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/topic/157963-i-35w-access-issue/ Advertisement/Promotions Pay local sports bars to have some Mean Green decorations/jersey and etc. For every academically focus billboard they need one for football Coordinating with local sport stations remote site events for limited drastically discounted tickets & contest give aways Moving 1 coaches show per month to a Rudy's in the DFW region that is not in Denton at least for the entire fall semester.