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I think 270 yards is a great goal for Jamario to aim for, kind of a nice round number for a new rushing record against. Or is the record higher at away games? It helps to know in advance. Its good to have goals and Jamario loves breaking records.

EagleTime1 welcome to the board. Like Green Grenade II said you have to be on the sauce. But thats ok I always like a little fiction with my sauce.

Yup. I, I should say everyone really wanted a win in this one.

I agree and I believe all good fans would agree also, SUMG really nailed it there.

Cincy only had ten days to prepare as I remember

Was Baylor not a sell out last year?

Can y'all imagine selling Denton as a tourist destination in December? While staying in Denton visit our world acclaimed aquarium, spectacular zoo, Tour our old south traditional Estates, and enjoy the most amazing line-up of restaurants and museums in all of Denton county.

The fact is who the hell does this help? DD saying anything bad about the fans. Does it help raise money, does it help attendance? There simply is no good in it saying comments like that in a live interview while accepting the NO Bowl bid. DD is a grown man and in this specific situation he should keep it the hell to himself. I mean even my mother taught me when in public, if you do not have something nice to say, say nothing at all.

I just take it that DD means people and football fans outside the UNT community when he was speaking about everything he had to over come. I think we all should!

Go Yankees!!! Go Astros!!

They were the Minnesota North Stars that started playing in 1967. They moved here in 1993. That make the Stars' organization over 37 years old.

I hope so, I can't imagine not having hockey to watch after Football season is over. As it stands right now the players are the bad guys in my book. I am not sure the NHL can survive a long drawn-out strike. If it goes to next season I see the owners starting over with a new group and any of those that want to come back. The players 5% roll-back is a joke. Anyone really think when it comes to negotiating a new contract that will come in to play. Without the proper fan-base the owners don't have much choice but to go to a salary-cap situation of some sort. I will concede that the owners were the ones that agreed to the high salaries before hockey was ready. Now they have to put a real control in, and for the players there are always signing bonuses and other ways to make some of their money back with the wealthier teams.

This the best article I have read yet, and it convinced me the players are the real dumb#sses in this one. Posted on Tue, Sep. 14, 2004 NHL's ice follies could cost sport dearly BY DAVE JOSEPH South Florida Sun-Sentinel (KRT) - Nobody from the NHL has been formally accused of extreme stupidity and apathy, but all bets are off in the coming days. Unable to broker a collective bargaining agreement with its players, NHL owners will likely vote today to lock them out for the coming season. A season on the brink? More like a sport with a death wish. How can the players' union take its foolish stance against a salary cap when its sport has hit such a low across the United States, the home of 26 of its 30 teams? When asked recently if the players had a problem sitting out the upcoming season, Stars forward Mike Modano replied, ``I don't think anybody has a problem with that.'' Have Modano and his pals looked up recently at the stands? Are they blind to the empty seats? The lack of interest? How about the drop in season ticket sales? The lack of a major television contract? There used to be four major sports in the United States. But one can argue the NBA, NFL and Major League Baseball are all that remain because of the incompetence of NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman, players' union chief Bob Goodenow and the stars themselves. The facts are fairly simple: In the past 10 years, players' salaries have increased an average of more than $1 million, while national television exposure has declined and revenues have stalled. U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission Chair Arthur Levitt recently concluded that the league's losses of $273 million on revenues of $1.9 billion threatened the NHL's viability. Twenty teams lost a total of $300 million last year. There's a plethora of reasons for the NHL's problems. Before expansion, 16 of 21 teams could count on revenue from playoff games. Now only 16 of 30 can count on that money and nervous general managers overspend on talent to make the playoffs. That isn't the problem of the union. But players can't be blind to the decline of the sport across the United States. Despite a surge in popularity in the early 1990s - which included a contract with Fox television and participation in the Olympics - Bettman was unable to sustain the resurgence. He allowed expansion, giving owners a quick fix of cash while watching a diluted product perform clutch-and-grab to a bored and shrinking audience. But the players are guilty of blindly following Goodenow. Certainly, they realize the trouble the sport faces, especially in revenues through television. Think about this: The NBA's television contract is worth $671 million. Major League Baseball's working on $559 million and the NFL $18 billion. Bettman's NHL? A paltry $120 million. Then again, NHL ratings in the United States are lower than arena football games. If done correctly and fairly, a salary cap will do what it has for the NFL: generate more revenue through a better, more competitive product. Eventually, interest builds, revenues increase and the cap grows. The NFL's cap has gone from $34 million in 1994 to roughly $78.7 million this year. Unfortunately, Bettman spent 10 years doing nothing to correct the decline of the sport. And the players are blindly following Goodenow into a dead end. No wonder Hall of Fame defenseman Bobby Orr told Canadian television, ``I'm disgusted by what's going on.'' If the facts are fairly simple, so is the solution: There needs to be a cap. Not the $31 million Bettman shopped around earlier in the year (only six teams currently have a payroll under $31 million), but something around $40-$45 million. There should also be a bottom so teams don't torpedo salaries and fall below a set figure. Maybe that could be $31 million. Numbers can be worked out. With $300 million in reserve to wait out the players, the owners will eventually get a cap. When that finally occurs - when Modano and Co. finally smarten up to the fact their game is dying and fewer people are caring about it - the players should fire Goodenow and the owners rid themselves of Bettman. Only then will this lockout be viewed as a positive step toward the future. --- © 2004 South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

World > Americas from the September 14, 2004 edition Economics of NHL lockout The hockey league's labor deal expires at midnight tonight, and a work stoppage threatens the entire season. By Susan Bourette | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor TORONTO – Brian Smyth is already bracing for a winter of misery. "It's going to be a long, cold, lonely season," he says, sitting in a downtown Toronto sports bar festooned with hockey posters, banners, and jerseys. "Hockey is our lifeblood. Without it, there will be no joy. Nothing to celebrate or talk about." It's the same lament being uttered across Canada on the eve of a National Hockey League lockout. After all, in Canada hockey isn't just a game - it's part of the national fabric, a passion that borders on obsession. The NHL's collective-bargaining agreement expires at the stroke of midnight tonight, and owners are expected to deadbolt their arena doors across Canada and the US, shutting down the season that's scheduled to begin Oct. 13. Owners and players are in a pitched battle over the basic economics of the system. A study commissioned by the NHL estimated that the league lost $273 million on revenues of $2 billion during the 2002-03 season. Television ad revenues haven't kept pace with player salaries. Owners want to cap payrolls, while players want to maintain the current market-based system. Observers say the entire season could be lost, delivering a cross-check to the Canadian economy. "It will hit like a wallop. A loss of millions and millions," explains Richard Powers, who teaches sports marketing at the University of Toronto. "The trickle-down effect is huge." While no one tracks hockey's overall impact on Canada's economy, many industries are already feeling the pinch. Last month, the country's largest manufacturer of hockey sticks announced it would trim its workforce, citing a slump in orders from the NHL. Pink slips have already begun to fly in the head offices of teams like the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Ottawa Senators. The list of causalities is expected to swell in the event of a prolonged work stoppage. Media watchers say the CBC, Canada's public broadcaster, will feel the loss of ad revenues from its top show, "Hockey Night in Canada," a Saturday night ritual in bars and living rooms across the country. "'Hockey Night in Canada' is their biggest drawing property in terms of audience," says Helena Shelton of Media Buying Services in Toronto. "They're planning alternative programming, but no one is going to go there to watch reruns of old movies." Still, the greatest cry can be heard in the restaurant and bar trade in cities with home teams. "It's a big hit for anybody that has a TV and serves beer," says Brad Marsh, a former NHL star who now owns Marshy's Bar-B-Q & Grill, a restaurant located in the Corel Centre, where the Ottawa Senators square off for home games. Mr. Marsh is opening a second location across town to shore up lost sales. Nick Fatsis, owner of TKOs Sports Pub in Toronto, is worried. Already hit with a citywide smoking ban last January, Mr. Fatsis says he won't be able to weather this storm. "Before the smoking ban and during hockey season, you'd have to get here at 5:30 if you wanted a seat for a 7:30 game," Fatsis explains. "How I long for those days. I think this could really be the final knockout punch for us." The league appeared to be in a genuine crisis two seasons ago when two teams, the Buffalo Sabres and Ottawa Senators, filed for bankruptcy protection, and players missed payments. Insiders now question the long-term viability of franchises in the US Sunbelt - the Carolina Hurricanes, Florida Panthers, Atlanta Thrashers, Nashville Predators, and Phoenix Coyotes - as well as smaller-market teams like the Pittsburgh Penguins. More than half the teams are losing money and another quarter are treading water. Over the years, the Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, and Ottawa Senators have all talked about relocating to more-lucrative US markets, home to 24 of the league's 30 teams, following the lead of the Quebec Nordiques and Winnipeg Jets. Owners are proposing a hard salary cap, like the NFL and NBA, set at $32 million. The Detroit Red Wings and the New York Rangers current payrolls are well over twice that. The players have countered with a small rollback on salaries (5 percent), reducing salaries for rookies, and say they're open to a luxury-tax system like that of Major League Baseball. The NHL's last work stoppage was in 1994. A last-minute agreement was reached in January 1995 that salvaged the rest of the season

Sept. 15 - Collective bargaining agreement between NHL and players' association expires. This makes me ill, I love hockey I hope they get it together in some kind of last minute deal. I don't think the NHL can handle another strike.

My water bottle was from home but sealed, same as last year and the year before that, same as at The Ballpark in Arlington. But this year they made me toss it.

I noticed the ushers were giving people grief of sorts on the Alumni side, very strict with the seats. Seemed like they did not want people to move around. They made me throw away a full bottle of water also. Man that is asinine, lets give people more reasons not to come to the games.

Lockout all but imminent as talks break off Now, no new talks are scheduled, which almost assures that training camps won't open on time this month. "It is clear the owners remain stuck at trying to get a salary cap," said Vancouver center Trevor Linden, the president of the players' executive committee. "At some point the owners need to understand the players will never accept a salary cap or any system arbitrarily linking payroll to league revenues. "Our proposal was the best chance we saw to save the hockey season." It is likely that the season will officially be put in peril next week when the NHL Board of Governors meet in New York. This lockout could prove worse than the one that lasted 103 days and cut the 1994-95 season nearly in half. Owners have been preparing for that possibility the last several years and have built a $300 million war chest. This latest fruitless negotiating session included more representatives from both sides for the first time since October. In addition to NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow, Saskin and Linden, the rest of the union's executive committee -- including players Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse, Trent Klatt and Arturs Irbe were present. Daniel Alfredsson and Bill Guerin, also committee members, weren't at the meeting. Guerin is still playing in the World Cup of Hockey, a tournament that is a joint venture between the NHL and the players' association. It concludes Tuesday night in Toronto, and that appears to be the last hockey involving NHL players that fans will see for some time. Daly was joined by commissioner Gary Bettman, and executive committee members including Calgary Flames part owner Harley Hotchkiss, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, Nashville Predators owner Craig Leopold, Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos, Minnesota Wild chairman Bob Naegele, and New Jersey Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello. Saskin said Bettman concluded the meeting by saying "we weren't even talking the same language." In previous sessions this summer, the NHL proposed six concepts it is convinced would solve the league's woes. The NHLPA rejected them all because it says each contained a salary cap. The union says of the $224 million NHL teams claimed to have lost last year, $170 million was concentrated on just six teams. The NHLPA says those losses were not CBA related and doesn't feel players should have to fix problems that mostly result from market issues and bad arena situations. Now, no new talks are scheduled, which almost assures that training camps won't open on time this month. "It is clear the owners remain stuck at trying to get a salary cap," said Vancouver center Trevor Linden, the president of the players' executive committee. "At some point the owners need to understand the players will never accept a salary cap or any system arbitrarily linking payroll to league revenues. "Our proposal was the best chance we saw to save the hockey season." It is likely that the season will officially be put in peril next week when the NHL Board of Governors meet in New York. This lockout could prove worse than the one that lasted 103 days and cut the 1994-95 season nearly in half. Owners have been preparing for that possibility the last several years and have built a $300 million war chest. This latest fruitless negotiating session included more representatives from both sides for the first time since October. In addition to NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow, Saskin and Linden, the rest of the union's executive committee -- including players Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse, Trent Klatt and Arturs Irbe were present. Daniel Alfredsson and Bill Guerin, also committee members, weren't at the meeting. Guerin is still playing in the World Cup of Hockey, a tournament that is a joint venture between the NHL and the players' association. It concludes Tuesday night in Toronto, and that appears to be the last hockey involving NHL players that fans will see for some time. Daly was joined by commissioner Gary Bettman, and executive committee members including Calgary Flames part owner Harley Hotchkiss, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, Nashville Predators owner Craig Leopold, Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos, Minnesota Wild chairman Bob Naegele, and New Jersey Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello. Saskin said Bettman concluded the meeting by saying "we weren't even talking the same language." In previous sessions this summer, the NHL proposed six concepts it is convinced would solve the league's woes. The NHLPA rejected them all because it says each contained a salary cap. The union says of the $224 million NHL teams claimed to have lost last year, $170 million was concentrated on just six teams. The NHLPA says those losses were not CBA related and doesn't feel players should have to fix problems that mostly result from market issues and bad arena situations. AP NEWS The Associated Press News Service Copyright 2004, The Associated Press, All Rights Reserved

Sounds pretty cool, I been playing Small Word/Sporting News salary cap game for years. I like it better than the draft leagues. If I have time I will give it a try. Thanks for setting it up.

Go USA! What day does the Olympics Start?

Man he sucked and if you could not see that you need to re-watch the games last year. And think about how many times our defense gave him an extra chance, time and time again. Watch for how many times Quincy had plenty of time to make good passes and under threw his receivers. Plus how many times recievers were barely able to get back to the ball and catch it which took lots of skill. Think about how many QBs could have made the same plays, and you should realize that almost any third string QB could have made the same plays. Think about how much of the success the Cowboys had was do to Parcells making the best of what he had to work with. (I did have faith in Parcells to do well I won a bet that the boys would win 10 or more games last season) Ask why the cowboys went out of their way to pick up more QBs if Quincy was any good. If Quincy was any good why did the Cowboys cut him instead of working with him. Oh wait good stats makes him a good QB, did you forget the rest of the team, did you remember that he had 21 interceptions to 17 TDs. Did you pay attention when the games were played or did you just read the stats? As far a drug problem I have no sympathy for superstars with drug problems that are not related to pain killers that may have been acquired through some form of recovery. And even then I will only give them the benefit of the doubt to take care of it once.

CBS Sports CBS Sports 2 Here is a quote from CBS Sports "The Cowboys were not convinced that Carter was anything more than a stopgap. He was the guy who would hold the seat warm between Aikman and the next great star-wearing quarterback." I thought all his interviews over the last couple of years showed what a dumb*ss he is. Dumb*ss and Drugs are usually not far apart. As for the cowboys don't kid yourself they were not surprised just disappointed. It was not his first offense.

Don't go over the top, obviously that is not the case so please don't throw what ifs out. I am only sad for time wasted on him.

I am not saying I am a great mind by no means, but at times I do pay attention. I had some other posts at the time and I caught lots of cr*p for saying that I thought Quicy was just a spare.

No but it is getting me a free lunch, sorry man I don't think accusations of Rape and the choice to do Cocaine are the same. He was warned and he gambled and was caught. I don't feel sorry for him at all. I don't think it is sad, it is plain stupid.