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good on ya.

Maybe we even made some recommendations to help him get there. I hope we left the door open.

We recruit a lot of kids out of TVCC. Maybe we'll see him in green down the road. Good luck to the young man.

Said in the video he's going play RB. Which makes me happy. GMG

In the very limited film he has on his hudl, he reads well, plays down hill and tends to wrap up. Obviously @GMG24 has more/better info on the kid. I wouldn't say he looks quite that fast to me either, but again, limited sample sizing. Either way, welcome to the family, GMG.

Thanks for the update. Maybe a PWO situation?

5'11 - 191 LBS 40 YARD DASH 4.51 SHUTTLE 4.21 VERTICAL 36" BENCH 350 185LB BENCH PRESS (REPS) 32 SQUAT (LBS) 410 CLEAN (LBS) 235 These are the stats from his hudl: https://www.hudl.com/profile/5200720/ryan-bishop His brother is currently on the Roster here as he mentioned in his statement. http://www.meangreensports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/zack_bishop_1022444.html Couldn't find a 247 profile, Rivals profile or any of that which is odd given that he went to Allen. I'm not sure what type of offer this is either.

ROFL. I've seen more enthusiasm from vegans at a barbecue.

Vito feels a little out of touch with who the real targets are at this point.

Not my fault you were slow on the trigger. He has done been endorsed.

So you genuinely don't think, if i've never heard of UNT, i'm not going to assume they are D1. Even if they are D1 i'm not going to assume they are in the same class as Nebraska, Penn State, USC, Texas, Alabama, Florida, Oregon, etc? We are absolutely hurt by not being visible. Because then, it's the information age, and people have to do their homework. When they do their homework a lot of it is negative. This is the information age, not some blank slate 1950s era recruiting. There is a reason TCU, Baylor, Houston, Boise State's recruiting has gotten better AFTER they started winning. When Dickey was recruiting well, we were still beating Tech, Baylor and scaring OU, etc. We aren't there anymore. There are coaches who out kick there coverage, like UTSA's head coach. It is possible. You're also neglecting to mention UTSA has lost commitments to Houston this year as well as a running back who just flipped to TX State. Remember, LSU does it's homework and offers 3/4 years in advance, much like Litrell, we'll see if he can take and sustain the momentum in four years. Coaching isn't just a snapshot of one recruiting cycle, there are many facets. He's not a savior, he's a good recruiter. He also is still in the years where he is pulling from a long list of history and research and relationships backed by 5 years of recruiting the DFW for LSU. You don't think those long term relationships built up from his time there affect his perception? We know sales in the modern marketplace is about relationships, he has them and we are building them. Again, i'm not saying we can't be doing better, i'm saying give it time. Litrell has had a year and a half in the state, he's been all over the country before that, and he definitely didn't have the same notoriety, as an offensive mind, absolutely, he put up gaudy numbers at Indiana and UNC, but not as a recruiter.

I think this is a good thing. We're laying groundwork for the next class now, instead of scrambling on short notice to fill a class. This is how most schools do it. UT/Bama/LSU have 2019/2020 offers out already.

I'm in the middle of most of the people here. I was graduated UNT in May of 2013, so I only have the history I learned through my time at the daily, and the general interest to go off of. But i'll add my perspective. I wasn't a huge CFB fan in high school. I played for a 3A TAPPS school in Watauga, and I had never heard of UNT as a football team growing up in the DFW area, playing football. And when you do finally do your homework, barring a couple of bright spots, and a handful of great players, North Texas has a long history of getting its teeth kicked in. I don't believe that because we've been doing it for longer, at a low level, we're more inhibited than say UTSA who has a clean slate. Look at it from a business standpoint, it's easier to sell your brand new/innovated/fresh company than it is to reopen Enron and get the bad taste out of your mouth. I understand our goal should be to be competing with the top ranks of G5, spending what they spend, winning the occasional battle of P5, I just don't understand how that's the immediate expectation in a young head coaches first full year of recruiting. There are a lot of problems with our programs history and lack of success to overcome. The best salesman will of course be able to overcome this with some recruits, and we often do, until Houston/Tulsa/P5 comes along and offers the kid. I want to be at or near the top of the food chain as far as G5 recruiting goes, and I'd love to beat UTSA, La Tech, Houston, SMU at every turn, but we have to take some steps to get there. We know momentum is a huge part of the game of football, why don't we expect it to play a part in our recruiting success. Yes, we've taken steps forward in a lot of needed areas, but people are still watching Litrell's ship to see if it's going to sink. @Harry linked an article to the OU fan boards where the sooner fans lamented the death of Litrell's career for even taking this job. That is how we are viewed in CFB. Not as some young upstart (UTSA) or a lower conference power (LaTech/WKU), we're a last resort. I think winning with less is what it will take to start turning things around. A good match up, an upset, etc. I understand that Litrell is a talented offensive coach and still needs the players to execute that vision, but this isn't a resolution after one five-win season. Once we accept that and move on, I think we'll be better for it. We are going to have to hope, and not blindly, that these coaches are evaluating and developing lesser sought after kids to a level competitive to our conference. Coaches at all levels miss on kids, it's part of the game, but the position we are in, we don't have a ton of choice. There will be a talent pool development issues and we will hit a wall with the talent level, but let's not pretend if we would have played with a few less penalties, or other big dumb mistakes we couldn't have had an even better year. We saw our line improve a lot towards the end, especially in the bowl game. These coaches are punching outside of their weight class. We are adding blue shirts so that these coaches aren't playing with 2/3rds of the scholarship players other schools are. There is risk involved, but if these kids are competitors, more players will drive some towards the top and push them to reach their potential. Yes, we will have "wasted" scholarships, and guys who don't deliver what we hoped for, it's all part of it. We have a hard working staff who is doing everything they can to help us succeed. And in another 3 years we'll really be able to evaluate how well the hire was, but until then, our own negativity isn't going to boost our perception to the outside world. We know players, recruits, parents, etc. all read these boards. Our message should be that we want to succeed here, and we are putting all the tools in place. We do, at some point, have to recognize where we sit and trust the process.

I know he's not loaded with stars or offers, but this kids tape is my favorite so far from the class. I think he's got all it takes to play at this level. He's got some good pass rushing moves, fast for his size, great backside pursuit, never gives up on plays. I mean this kid gets it done and he got it done on a terrible high school team. He's my player to watch of the class.

Watch their film. While stars are a good place to start, you'll be able to start distinguishing whether or not you like a player for yourself. I like to watch the film of the best kids in each class at the position, top two or three, and then compare to what I think the kids we're bringing offer.

Going to go out and say McNeal ain't coming here. I'd be stunned off my ass. I think McDonald is sown up to the Aztecs. I'm quietly optimistic that the biggest signings left are ones we don't see. I'm hoping to be as surprised as I was about Guyton, while i'm not holding my breath for it, I think we'll get a surprise or two. Of the known candidates tho, give me Tre.

I was confused too by the article. It feels like he should have 3 to play 2? IDK, it was tough to figure out for me.

What's his eligibility look like?

Do we really think the NCAA gives a damn? Idk why everyone is getting so bent up over it. It's part of their strategy as a fan base, even if it's wrong. All we can do is hope that it kids are making their decision other than on a twitter popularity contest. Potentially, the hammer could come down, but I think it reflects poorly on us to go around policing the rest of college football. It's makes us pretty insecure. Literally EVERYONE at this point does it, some more than others, including ourselves.

Here is some interesting questions and answers on recruiting from Mike Farrell of rivals.com

I think the rules/bans/fines should be stuck like glue to the head coach, school. AD, and anyone willing to hire them before their sentence is served. Make the sanctions hit the coaches and follow them to new schools.

I find it hard to believe that any recruit or their family in the DFW area wasn't aware of what has gone down at Baylor the last few years. This isn't a surprise, it isn't out of nowhere, and it wasn't this staff. I expect zero changes, zero decommits, and zero action from the NCAA. We all knew this, they just slapped a number and a few more details we shouldn't have needed. Baylor is going to continue to say they have handled this issue already and everyone should move on.

Any school that allows its athletes to conduct itself in this manor, or any institution with any age, skill and occupation of human being deserves to have the hammer dropped. If it were UNT mark my words I'd advocate we're punished to the fullest extent.

I don't even remotely care about the volume of offers. I like getting in on some kids early, but the coaches know when to offer what kids. Kids can flip a week away from NSD, on NSD, once or four times. So little of it matters these days until pen hits paper. The coaches see a ton of film, they are always paying attention to football, year round. Let's see what we have in store for 2017 and we'll go from there.