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Im not drinking the Litrell Kool aid yet, but I like this recruiting class. My favorite signee is Kason Martin. I love his attitude and his experience. Big time pipeline to get in at Manvel and could lead to getting others to commit. 2nd is Ogunmakin. Seen him play and it may be a biased choice, but he's a good athlete.

UNT won 9 games so expect more TV next year and bad kickoff times and day games.

I don't care if it was Senior day. McNulty had a year in a half to show something. Maybe even longer. He shouldn't have started or ever played again. Yall love some Chico...

I was a Mac fan. I guess I still am cause of the 9-4 HOD Bowl season...but McNulty...I can't forgive that mess... and McNulty even started AFTER Mac was fired...I just knew he would never ever see the field again after Mac was fired, but Chico...Mac was responsible for McNulty, but Chico was definitely in on a lot of the rest of the flops. Chico needs to stop getting a pass from this fanbase. Chico should have been replaced...just like someone on this current coaching staff. The signs are there.

Means was Chico's recruit. Chico was very high on Means even when Deer Park was doing bad his senior season. I was told by a very reliable source that Means was Chico's guy. Mac had nothing to do with going out and looking for QBs. I'm not sure many know how recruiting works. Coaches for certain areas go out and look for talent. They bring what they find back to the other coaches. If I am over Houston area and I am a DL coach, I'm not just looking for DL. I'm looking at all talent and if I see a nice db or something, I would let the position coaches know. Not sure if Mac's staff trusted each other in that regard, but Chico had a lot of say so in the offensive talent. I have seen it first hand at the Houston Satellite camps. It wasnt Mac telling Chico who to look at. Lets stop this myth. Mac had his faults, but he was not hands on like some want to think. If anything he was the opposite and probably should have been more involved.

The biggest improvement over the years is Seth's offensive scheme and finding a QB that can play D1 football. Gotta give Litrell credit for that. That is the major upgrade in player development and talent evaluation I have seen. There has also been a few other offensive pieces added to show that they know a little something about offense. Now, we need the same for the defensive side. Since Littrell is considered an offensive mind and coach, he shouldn't be responsible for both sides of the ball. That is when you have to have a DC that can find talent and evaluate, like the offense has done. I do not see one sign where we are headed in the right direction on defense.

Having plays with the expectation that our line would block for more than 3 seconds was irresponsible. In FAU'S bowl game many of their pass plays were 3 second reads or less. Who cares about how they looked in practice. Fine is mobile enough to move him around and not be a sitting duck back there. And where were the short routes/safety valves?

Jones balled out. Props to him on hanging in there. Not sure why Manvel went zone though. Yeah 88 was nice and he had a few catches...still no reason to stop the pressure and go zone. 88 looks like a player, but considering Manvel has a corner going to Penn state and a safety going to A&M, 88 should have been locked up. He was tall, but not big like gronk. These kids are getting rated high and all these stars because of these youtube videos and camps. all this footwork and dancing, but can they play football? I'm sorry, in my opinion, a secondary with 3 or 4 D1 players and 2 of them being "studs" shouldn't get lit up like that. 28 the linebacker is going to Navy...He was nice. looks like he can play some football. Onside kick. Really Manvel? they lined up a 6'5 wr over there and yall had no one over there?

They are getting rid of the ball fast. The line hasn't been required to block for more than 3 seconds on a lot of plays. Its quick reads and they move that QB around. He's not a sitting duck. We really should take some notes.

Brown has no say so. I bet he will be the scapegoat though.

Corners have been mismanaged for two years. I thought it was Ek, but after this season it's Ref. Brown does not have much input, but i'm not sure if many corners coach does in college.

This. and trust me...the corners would rather play that way too. Last year when they kicked Buyers out from his db spot, I thought we would really be doing some pressing and covering. Should have just let Buyers play nickel in hindsight...

Coming into this season the strength of this team was the secondary. Last season too. That is where the veterans were and the players that showed some promise. Not only the fans were saying the secondary was the strength, but also the analysts. Some had post and pre-season recognition. I don't see many secondary players wanting to keep ref... We saw some of these players make plays in actual games as youngsters. So all of a sudden, these corners and safeties can't play football? not just 1 player, but multiple players. In an area the DC coaches. And who can forget how we covered Sutton the last two years?...There was no improvement. And if we are going to be a high flying offense, WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD DBS AND GOOD DB COACHES!!! We are going to be in shootouts and back and forth games. It just comes with having that type of offense.

No Sutton...I like our chances. Hopefully no Ref either...

And Mac was 9-4 coming off a HOD bowl win...we extended him knowing there were questions. I'm comparing the situations. Issues with the other side of the ball and recruiting. Very similar. Good thing in Littrell favor is his team is young, but the bigger thing is next year's schedule won't be as hard as when Mac was here.

How many games would this years team have won against this schedule? The 1-11 record is thrown around too much. Fine is a HUGE upgrade, but that's about it. We definitely benefited from an easier schedule the past 2 years. I think this year's team wins 3 games. 4 max.

Why? Are we really going to this AGAIN? The 1-11 thing is worn out and have many people fooled. Fans were on here calling Mac out, but because we were once 1-11 Littrell is getting a pass. The same concerns we had about Mac should be applied to Littrell. Mac's issue was the QB position and the offense...Litrell is the defense and it may be worse cause there's horrible coaches and doesn't seem to be any pieces coming down the pipeline. At least with Mac's offense there were a few pieces here and there, but most on here knew the QB position would eventually blow up in our face and it did. And Mac's 9-4 season was much more impressive than this season. It fell apart. The signs were there and the signs are here that we need to see more. Chico and the offense was never addressed. Recruiting was never addressed. Mac was extended and we assumed it would work itself out. Many on here were saying Mac won with Dodge's recruits and we need to see if Mac (umm and Chico) could win with his guys. Why is Littrell getting a pass? Cause of Fine? QB is very important, so he should get credit, but that's not going to be enough. This season was a much easier schedule than the past years. 2016 too. The 2015, 1-11 season had a killer schedule. This current team may have won 3 games against that schedule. I say they would have beaten UTSA and Portland State. UTEP would have been a shootout. There a lot more Littrell needs to show. Get a defense. upgrade recruiting. An extension would be OLD DENTON.

The line is bad, but the play calling and prep does not help. We already know the line is bad ahead of time. We already know they are going to have problems. So why do we have plays where we expect them to block for 4 seconds? Why is Fine dropping back and sitting there like he will have time? Because those plays worked in practice? Well the offense should have been prepared that the blocking would be 3 seconds or less cause that was reality. Where's the safety valve and the check down? No audibles? Keep practicing like you will have 4 or 5 seconds and wide open WRs, and we will continue to have these results vs good teams.

I may need some examples. I want to believe you, but maybe i need to be refreshed. The upgrade from McNulty to Fine was HUGE. Gotta give Litrell props on that. That's all I really see. Mac was capable of finding some diamonds...Mac did a pretty good job with staff and replacing coaches other than the last DC. So are we just the offensive version of Old Denton? Are we a Mason Fine injury away from being trash again?

Considering we are going to be in shootouts with the offense we run, the DC needs to be able to coach and identify secondary personnel. Ref is horrible. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year, but when he guarded Sutton one on one again, i knew he knew nothing about the secondary.

Agree. We benefited from a favorable schedule...I'll take it though.

if he gets rid of the DC, then I will not bash him or Wren. If the DC stays...then may as well call this Old Denton again and not hold people accountable. This is the same staff that got rid of Tommy Perry who did a good job on and off the field. Surely the DC won't survive this. And don't get rid of the corners coach as a scapegoat and keep the DC. Those safeties did a bad job, and were not in the right position. And the talent use to be there at those positions. They are playing WORSE with Ref and his scheme.

If Littrell wants to eventually coach at the P5 level, then he leaves if SMU offers. He won't make the jump from UNT to P5 anytime soon. SMU is the next step to get to P5. If he has good results there, that will be 2 schools on his resume and he will be next in line when a decent P5 opens up. Sorry fellas, if SMU offers, I think he is gone.

Whoa...hold up...Some fans actually want to play Florida State? I know FSU is having a down year and all, but did yall see the FAU games and how we look against a team with athletes and speed? Please stop it.

Umm...maybe it's the way I'm reading the tweet, but it's pretty much saying we don't suck like we used to and is a comparison with yourself. Why not just pump up the 9 win season and let that stand by itself? It's a look at where we came from and trying to pump up the turnaround and shut people up. Yall sucked before we got here...be happy with these 9 wins.