BillySee58

Looks like we get another YouTube stream of the game. Link below.

I’ve said this before, but White might be gone.

I’ll be honest, I was very underwhelmed with Ogunmakin this year. 16 catches from a starting receiver in an offense that was first in the conference in passing, and a large amount of drops and misplayed balls in the air from him. I’m not out on him completely, as he obviously has tools and should continue to get better, but I would much prefer if we have a better option at least in the starting lineup next year Also think he had slightly over half his yards from Bean but not 100% sure because of the games where they split time.

What are you talking about? I never said anything about bias. All I said was that I was correcting the stat and providing additional data on the turnover numbers. I didn’t partake in the commentary on Bean on the sidelines. I have stated multiple times I think it’s dumb and irrelevant to who should be our starting QB. No disagreement on this here.

Part of me wonders if it would make sense to move Simpson inside to Darden’s spot. That’s where Simpson played in high school so he has background there, and there are some pretty solid outside receiver options both on our roster and in the portal. But I don’t think we are usually super eager to change receiver positions, so not sure if that’s a route the coaches legitimately consider.

My point is if someone is dogging Aune’s turnover issue, they are also doing the same to Bean, whether knowingly or unknowingly. I have yet to see someone incorrectly state Bean’s turnover total or rate as higher than it actually is, like Emmitt did with Aune, nor had I seen people arguing that Bean was turning it over worse than Aune this year. If they did I would’ve presented the facts.

As @MGNation92said, these are literally just the facts. Aune has turned the ball over once every 35 times (212/6) he has passed, been sacked, or ran. Bean has turned the ball over once every 30 times (152/5) he has passed, been sacked, or ran. If you count fumbles that they coughed up but we recovered (so not technically turnovers) the numbers changes to once every 26.5 times (212/8) for Aune, and once every 25.3 times (152/6) for Bean. My initial post in here was correcting Emmitt’s meme saying Aune turned it over 8 times by posting the FACTS that his number is actually 6, then following up by showing numbers to point out that you can’t dog Aune’s turnover numbers without also doing the same for Bean, since his rate is actually worse.

This would be perfect. He could play P5 if he wanted, but not sure how the market is going to shake out. With many players transferring it’s hard to really get a good grip on where everyone is going to land. Are some P5 quality players going to be available because there aren’t enough spots? Are guys who we think will be in our range going to go P5 because they are valuing transfers more, especially seniors since they don’t count towards the 85 scholarship team limit?

vs. App State, per Brett McMurphy

Even if you factor those in as turnovers, Bean is still turning it over at a higher rate. It’s close, but Bean has a higher turnover rate and combined fumbles plus picks rate.

May want to check your meme, which said turnovers. 2 fumbles LOST and 4 picks. 2 fumbles were not lost, just as Bean has a fumble that we recovered. Bean actually has a higher turnover rate.

He has 6 turnovers. Bean has 5, with about 90 less dropbacks.

For reference, Mason Fine’s stat line from his final high school game

You said the answer to your original question of “How many games have we won that Aune started?” was zero. Saying we didn’t win any games started by Aune would be saying Bean gets the credit as starting QB of record in the win against both MTSU and UTEP. Yeah I don’t care about that either. I don’t need my team’s QB pretending to be ecstatic while the other QB is taking his job away, so long as he is being a good teammate overall. Bean’s body language “issue” is a nonfactor as far as I’m concerned. Does he give us the best chance to win games with what he’s done on the field? That’s what matters to me. And going into this offseason that’s all that matters as we weigh potential transfers against what we have.

So Bean gets credit for both the MTSU win where Aune started and the UTEP win where Bean started but only played two plays? Aune technically started the MTSU game even though Bean clearly was the difference maker, just as Aune was the one leading the scoring against UTEP after Bean started. Also don’t think QB wins is much of a tool to evaluate when we have so much more direct material on their actual play. With the yards and points we scored against Charlotte and USM, don’t we beat them if our defense plays like it did against Rice? He just had 5 TDs passing and 1 TD rushing with no turnovers, and you can’t bring yourself to give him any credit, while saying his number 1 trick is turning the ball over. When Aune throws a TD to Darden, it’s all credit to Aune, but what about when Darden scores on two catches made behind the line of scrimmage and he makes multiple defenders miss last week with Bean? There’s definitely an argument for going with Bean next season, but this stuff here is biased to the point of knocking one QB for something and giving credit to the other QB for the same accomplishment.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400548079

What were the differences in the offensive system we ran last night and last year’s system?

Radio broadcast said his ankle was bothering him. Played in the first series but that was it.

Right. I’d argue Aune is already ahead of any DT season besides his senior year, but at his age it’s easy to see less year to year improvement than guys in their early 20s.

Yeah sounds reminiscent of Fine’s last high school game. At least from an offensive standpoint.

I think we could win games with Bean in very similar fashion to how we beat Rice. Ball control offense, don’t turn it over, and hit short passes opened up by the running game. We could re-design the offense to better suit him, but at the end of the day we are limiting ourselves if the QB is limited in what passes we call, and that was the case with Bean. We have also done a tremendous job signing top high school wide receiver talent because of what our offense has been and the numbers our receivers have put up. With Bean there just doesn’t seem to be enough passes to go around. Not sure there are with Aune either, but whoever our QB is next year needs to be able to get the ball in the hands of all those weapons we have signed.

For a little context, in the pregame show Dave Barnett asked about Jason Bean and said something to Littrell along the lines of “You mentioned Bean played well and took some steps forward last week. Could you tell us what you saw that encouraged you?” And Littrell replied with something along the lines of “Well, he did a good job managing the offense and reading the defense, and he had a good week in practice BUT Aune also had a really good week of practice. Really two good straight weeks of practice. Hopefully we’ll get a chance to see both tonight.” When I heard that it made me believe there was going to be intention to play both guys early tonight. Maybe it was because of the depleted UTEP secondary, maybe it was because he gave Darden a better shot at breaking the records, but it seems Aune was always going to get a big chance in this game and Littrell probably felt he was earning it throughout the night.

Yup, I agree. In the last three games where Aune was the primary QB (USM, Charlotte, UTEP), Simpson put up 13 catches for 305 yards. When Bean was at QB, he was only ever able to get Darden involved.