BillySee58

First we had Holgorsen committed, then he decommitted. Then we almost landed Chase Griffin but he chose UCLA. Kuehne was the most logical realistic choice at that point and he committed shortly after we moved our focus from Griffin to Kuehne. Kuehne was offered by Maryland, Arkansas State, and New Mexico so he was a legitimate G5 QB prospect, irrespective of the familial relationship.

Boom. That’s awesome.

Heisman ballots were due 10 days ago

Thank you. Always appreciate hearing that perspective.

I’m definitely in agreement with you, and curious to hear your view, as a former player. If one of your teammates who you busted his tail with for years was a projected draft pick and chose to sit that final bowl game, would that change your view on them? Would you feel they quit on you and the team? Would you understand the decision and be happy for them? What would be the consensus around the locker room, amongst the players?

Not sure what you mean by that first sentence

Again, I posted a thread from this exact same forum just two months ago with a coach quitting his team MIDSEASON, not just before a bowl game, and not a single person called him a quitter, yet when it’s a player the thread becomes littered with it. From what I’ve seen with coaches, from a fan perception it’s pretty much a win-win on the bowl game with the team they are leaving. If they choose not to coach the bowl game, people are understanding and acknowledge that they could be a potential distraction so it makes sense not to coach, and if they do coach they are almost always lauded on the broadcasts for sticking it out and finishing the season they started. If you are consistent or at least have some logic like you mentioned for why you’re going to treat players and coaches differently under similar circumstances, agree to disagree.

My problem isn’t with disagreement. It’s with double standard. If someone called coaches and players quitters under the same circumstances, I disagree but they are fundamentally consistent. That’s not the case here.

On October 27th Scotty Walden left his interim HC position with Southern Miss midseason to accept the full-time HC job at Austin Peay. Here is his thread, made during our game with them on October 3rd and continued when he accepted the Austin Peay job. Not a single poster on here called him a quitter or made a critical remark of him leaving the team midseason. There is a clear double standard on how players and coaches’ decisions are viewed in similar circumstances.

How about coaches who choose not to coach a bowl game after accepting a new job? Where is the uproar over them quitting? There are no threads in here or people calling them quitters when that happens at other schools, but suddenly people care so much about an Oklahoma State player. Are those coaches from the same generation as the college players?

Yeah, last 5 years or so is when we started seeing it. I would say this has more to do with the fact that bowl games essentially mean almost nothing now from what they used to with the college football playoff system. People are so quick to say they are abandoning their team while glancing over the facts that them getting drafted highly is far more important to the team’s future success in recruiting than winning the Cheez It Bowl is. The bowls have become so much less prestigious that it’s more beneficial to serve as a chance to get young players experience for next season than it is to win the game in most cases as well. There is just no good example in any other profession, but if everyone on this board went from making $20K a year to accepting a job offer making over $500K a year, while risking the chance of losing that $500K salary job offer while performing the $20K salary job, plenty here would make the best decision in mind for their families, and it would never be seen as abandoning their team that was paying them $20K a year.

Because he’ll get paid money to play. And he’ll get paid more if he does well. It’s not that complicated. Please show me the example of players opting out of bowl games then quitting once they get paid in the NFL? We have years of players opting out of bowls as a sample size at this point.

Great look for recruiting. “We want to help you reach that dream of playing in the NFL. Unless you opt out to avoid injury once you’ve secured that multi-million dollar draft stock. Then we’ll disown you. But be sure to keep saying our name when they introduce you in the starting lineup and crediting us for your success.”

It would be just as much. The XFL was having a lot of success with NFL washouts. If a similar league was created for the top college-aged players who have not reached NFL eligibility, people would watch that and those players would earn enough in one year to afford 5 years of college.

Yeah I don’t see it on the roster but it was usually that or undecided major. I believe Integrated Studies is just the General Studies degree where there are areas of focus chosen rather than actually getting into the major. Which those degrees, while not entirely worthless, have no specific job market upon graduation. You could be a teacher or other jobs that require degrees without specific majors.

Probably but if so, not by much. Seems like an attainable guy if we wanted to pursue.

No

Look on twitter at any announcement of a player opting out. Comments are filled with people proclaiming them as quitters. Every time, without fail. Using people in the plural sense. A $20,000 a year education when these players would command over $300,000 a year in an open market is a joke. Not to mention most of these players are encouraged to take easy classes and majors that don’t return much of an ROI at all anymore. They could pay for their education 10X over in a system where they received a fair share of the income they generate. It’s a farce. Especially when these guys are about to sign multi-million dollar rookie contracts, I don’t get how anyone can fault them for protecting the future of them and their families. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/college-football-player-value-2017-11%3famp

Former Argyle QB enters the transfer portal https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4371174/jon-copeland

He’s going to the NFL and any success he achieves there will look very favorably on OK State. Mike Gundy makes millions a year because of people paying big money to watch players like Wallace while Wallace can’t get anywhere near what his true value would be in a free market system. Players like Wallace assume all of the risk, and he has already lost potentially millions on his rookie contract from where his stock was prior to his ACL tear, while the coaches don’t have to worry about losing out on their salaries. I’ll never understand peoples’ obsession with labeling these guys quitters for not playing these bowl games that the schools profit off of while the players get just a watch or something out of it, while risking hundreds of thousands of dollars by playing in (for NFL caliber guys). Plus, I think it’s a good chance for coaches to work with the guys who will be on the team next season, and multiple reports have stated that this was the plan coming into the game.

Guessing this contributed to the disconnect in PFF’s evaluation and what many on here feel. I don’t know the exact drops they’re referring to, but a few passes in the end zone I would say were equal parts on Aune and equal on the receiver, but they did have their mitts on it.

He picked up a couple today but Emmitt said he only had 5 because he wasn’t viewing the complete list.

For the record, Ollie Gordon is class of 2022. Still plenty of time to offer. Most of the time when we land guys who have P5 offers, we get them after those offers. Not by being their first offer.