BillySee58

1 winning season out of 5*

Good thing RV didn't use a search committee here. Could've messed up his great track record.

The man lies to convince himself. Like @mean_green09 says, RV believes the Shanice Stephens disaster was because of the committee. As evidenced by his comments about her in the article.

We hadn't won 18 games in 3 years here in a long time? How about Dickey, just two years before you started making the hires?

Toledo and Georgia Southern will both match whatever we can throw at Campbell and Fritz, plus both have much better teams, recruiting classes, and have shots at getting P5 offers sooner if they stay at what they've built up rather than trying to fix up a reclamation project here.

As someone who follows recruiting very, very closely, you can take my word if you wish, but this will have no negative effects on recruiting. The players our new coach will round out our class with will not be there on Saturday. Most of the players our new coach will sign will probably not even have held an offer from the current staff. Upwards of 90% of our average game day visitors are not being seriously considered for scholarship offers, and I doubt any kid who held an offer from the current staff will be there now that Mccarney has been fired. Im not saying this is good practice, in good taste, or that it won't reflect poorly in visitor's eyes. Just saying that it won't hurt our recruiting. Especially with a new coach, and especially if we have a new AD by December when the new coach will really start ramping up his recruiting efforts.

I'm tired of people making it sound like the drop off after the bowl game is some unexplainable mystery. Look at our 2011, 2012, and 2013 recruiting classes. Terrible offer lists, especially in 2012. Over half of our 2012 signees had no other FBS offers. It was completely foreseeable. I convinced myself Mac was some great developer until the UAB game last year. Then I realized he was a below-average coach and a disastrous recruiter. People may have been excited about the extension, but that's because it was an exciting time. It was a bad move on RV's part AT THE TIME (not just knowing what we do know) because no one was going to hire him away, he hadn't proven he could develop a QB, defensive line, or offensive line, or with his own recruits in general, and you can't win games like that. As evidenced by this year. Also, funny hearing he has a lot of typos and grammatical errors when he types. I've never heard him speak and thought "that is an intelligent human being."

Zach Barnett, of football scoop, is the one who apparently is giving that, well, scoop. That's what I took from the tweet, and the article was by him. I don't know how legitimate that is, but it's interesting to say the least.

Exactly. Such a broken defense saying things like "he got the guy we wanted and it failed, so can you blame him? People on the board were for the hire." Or, as I remember seeing fly post after Peterson was fired, something along the lines of "this had never happened to him at any other school." RV's job is to hire coaches who are good fits and win at UNT. Not the candidates the masses approve of, not someone who won games somewhere else before, or someone who wins games at another school afterward. And he's been awful at that.

Very well laid out point. The body of work is awful and there really is no legitimate proof to the contrary. At no other university would this fly, unless they didn't take sports seriously (like 90 likes to say).

It doesn't seem performance based failures alone will get him fired.

Yes, he's committed to play basketball. I read an article where he has considered playing college football, and expressed interest in wanting to play both. That may be something our new staff and basketball coach work out. He also apparently had a really good summer, and turned heads at a Dallas Cowboys high school football camp. He hasn't done much this year, something like 220 yards receiving. In his defense I think it's his first year playing football since he got to high school.

Curious, what did you players think of Helwig?

Herman at Houston is about to have big-time offers thrown his way, whether this offseason or next. Applewhite may be the next man up there, which would be hard to turn down with those recruiting classes. He's right up there with Smiley for my top wants, though.

He made the Jones hire over 14 years ago. The revenue sports hires he has made in the last decade, which have collectively been awful, are better indicators at how good he is at making hires in present day. Aston may have overachieved, but she had a losing record because she was inheriting a mess made by an awful hire by RV in Stephens. And why didn't the next hire push us above .500? Because RV followed her up with another awful hire in Peterson. RV may want what's best for the university, but his hires are absolutely holding our athletics back and they have been for a while. We should not be sitting in 2015 at dead last in the FBS in football, coming off a 30-point loss in the first round of the CUSA Men's basketball tournament to a 10-seed, and having not even made our conference's tournament in women's basketball.

This also would've happened by now if we would've hired an actual good AD back in 2001.

Getting us into Conference USA really wasn't that big an accomplishment, in all honesty. If RV would've been able to get us in CUSA before SMU left then it would've been impressive. We were the only DFW FBS school left that hadn't abandoned CUSA (TCU, then SMU). They would've taken us for that reason, no matter who our AD was.

Everytime this man talks he makes himself sound worse. It never ceases to amaze me. Saying only a minority want him out, smh. This ticked me off over the summer: http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/sports-headlines/20150519-coaches-talk-attendance.ece Then he cans the guy 5 games later with no remorse, and no sense of accountability, and has the audacity to call the hire a good hire. Then he comes on the podcast and says the now infamous Northern Arizona excuse, after giving a ridiculous Tulsa excuse before that which, in reality, would've given us one less home game if you really look at it. Also said Johnny Jones didn't have a winning season in his first three or five seasons (can't remember which, but inaccurate either way), that Benford won 18 games his second year, and said "We've got to get to a situation where we're competitive in the top part of the conference. We can't go backwards." To which Tasty replied: He also called our kicker, Trevor Moore, "Zach" on the same podcast. Also, to our fans emailing President Smatresk saying RV should be removed, he's emailing our fans, with this bunker mentality, telling them that they are wrong in their criticism. How? His last 6/7 hires in the revenue sports are now down to 128 games under .500. 130 games under .500 if you factor in Canales' 2-4 record as an interim, accumulated while attempting to clean up the messes created by RV's two straight bad football hires. Updated numbers for the revenue sport hires made under RV in the last decade. WBB: - 25-67, Stephens (2008-2011) - 15-16, Aston (2011-2012) - 28-61, Peterson (2012-2015) 68-144 total MBB: - 12-20, Benford (2012-2013) - 16-16, Benford (2013-2014) - 14-17, Benford (2014-2015) 42-53 total Football: - 6-37, Dodge (2007-2010) - 22-32, Mccarney (2011-2015) - 2-4, Canales as interim (2010,2015) 30-73 total Total combined: 140-270 130 games under .500, and that includes FCS and non D1 victories, and losses to FCS and non D1 teams. 1 winning season out of 19.

Right, but if that's the point you're trying to prove then Dickey and Dodge recruiting better than Mccarney despite having lesser facilities, and Larry Coker doing so without facilities are both completely irrelevant to this debate. None of those guys were on one-year deals. If you're trying to say Mccarney was an awful recruiter and that coaches have recruited better with less to pitch, I agree and I never argued anything to the contrary. And Barnum doesn't prove that either because he didn't get it done with a huge 2015 recruiting class with a bunch of kids who had great offer lists. He coached well, especially with the guys already on the team. Again, you don't have to believe me but if we got a good recruiting coach he could have 15+ commits before the season started with many having at least a few other FBS offers. If Canales is your coach on a one-year deal then you're going to have a tough time getting anyone with other options, which does not have to be the case if you make a good hire. You would set things up poorly down the road, which we can't afford because of Mccarney's classes outside of the 2014 class. RV isn't going to do that either way. He's going to make as many hires as he wants. Failed or not.

I'm not seeing how your points are connected. I said it would be incredibly difficult to win recruiting battles for kids with everyone knowing you'd be on a one-year deal. You're example to the contrary is that Mccarney struggled recruiting despite having 4 years left in his contract. I didn't say any coach can bring in killer classes as long as they have years left in their deal. Mccarney was an awful recruiting head coach no matter how many years he had left in his deal. I also don't know what Dickey or Dodge out recruiting Mccarney despite having lousy facilities has anything to do with what I said about how hard it would be to recruit on a one-year deal, which is the only thing I'm arguing here. Or Larry Coker. They're completely unrelated points. They don't disprove that it would be incredibly difficult to win recruiting battles with a coach on a one-year deal. Neither did Barnum. He won mainly with players already on the roster and a roughly 13-player signing class of 2015, with very minimal recruiting battle victories. Who? In what post?

Not on the team

If it's a preferred walk on then it is guaranteed they will suit up. If it's not a preferred walkon then they didn't have any other offers and they just want to play for a division 1 school. That's why they go through camp. You don't have to buy it, but we're not getting anyone who has offers from schools with decent recruiting coaches. Coaches will say "why would you go there? That coach's contract will be up before you get there." It's not an end all be all if it's a coach entering the final years of his contract, you're just going to have to wait until the season is over to gain any traction in recruiting. That's a much bigger deal in FBS than FCS. Should've just actually made a hire in the first place, in that case. And again, this Portland State comparison, they signed a very small class of 2015. It's not like he brought in a bunch of studs and they make up the entire starting lineup that's winning games. Dude has just coached them up well.

Thread title should be changed to "How To Contact AD Villarreal"

Benford will only have one more season on his contract after this one. I don't think Mccarney would've been bought out if RV's buddies couldn't pay the buyout money. So tired of choosing between paying a hefty buyout and losing thousands in ticket revenue and more games than we win.