BillySee58

Can't tell if you're being serious or not. But it looks like you honestly believe Kyle Allen is this clear example of P5 coaches misevaluating a QB prospect. He has who won a bowl against a P5 school, beat the defending national runner up on the road as a true freshman, and has thrown 33 touchdowns against 14 interceptions as a true freshman and sophomore combined. You're just all over the place though. I never said every P5 recruit ends up a great player. But if a player is getting P5 offers for his athleticism (like a back or wildcat-type QB), then he is elite on the high school level. How a player like that's college career ends up does not change that fact. You have transformed that point so much, and so ridiculously. He's clearly the better recruiting head coach. You can wait and see, but it's not even close. That being said, Littrell hasn't done anything thus far, or shown signs of doing things that coaches shouldn't be able to do here. Or even shown that he can pull off more in recruiting than a guy like Brad Smiley, who we could've gotten for half of Smiley's projected salary. Mccarney really was that bad. There was a big gap between Mccarney's recruiting and getting players good enough to win CUSA championships. The question with Littrell is will he fall in that gap or be better.

Did you forget the post you quoted me in? Look what I said at the bottom. It's easier to get a kid when he knows he'll be a primary focus as a QB. But yeah, that was only a part of Mccarney's problem. It was just recruiting in general. Basically Littrell is a better recruiter than Mac and has an offense that makes it at least a little easier to recruit to than what Mac wanted to do.

You're trying to make this a black and white thing, and it's not. There are always going to be great teams that run the ball a lot and win state titles. Especially when they have elite athletes who are going to BIGXII or other P5 schools. Trinity was the dominant team a few years back when I played, because they had big offensive lines and elite athletes like Brandon Carter. What does that have to do with whether or not D1-caliber QB prospects care about what offense they're going to play in in college? Nothing. Like I said, having a spread offense does help get good QB recruits, but obviously recruiting has to be there. And you can recruit good QBs to less-spread offenses, it's just at least a little harder. Yes. They had a good team, and played a good game. Allen was vulnerable with their QB play. P5 college coaches agree that Westlake has just one elite athlete, too.

That is not true. They had good high school players, but not elite athletes. Other than Westlake's QB Ehlinger, neither team had legitimate P5-caliber playmakers. And he was elite as a passer, not as much as a runner. Yeah, Anderson from George Ranch is an elite athlete. Multiple P5 offers including Texas. I don't get what you're trying to say about a 6'0" 250 lb guard. Are you implying that's small? Because that's a pretty good sized high school guard.

If you don't have the elite athletes to hand the ball off/use as a primarily running QB then running a spread and trying to spread the ball around gives you a higher ceiling. Which isn't a state championship either way if you don't have elite players.

That's because in high school you just put the ball in the hands of your best athletes, and there's such a big gap in ability between them and most players that they can take care of the rest. If you don't have a legit D1 QB then why try getting the ball downfield to your one or two stars when you can just hand them the ball and get 8 yards every carry? Usually I think people made that comment regarding quarterbacks not wanting to play primarily under center, and wanting to play in a spread offense. I think that hurt us, but not as much as having an awful recruiting staff and HC/OC combo. We didn't recruit great at QB, but we really weren't recruiting any worse at QB than other positions.

Picked up ULM and San Diego State offers this year. Also had 1900 yards and 20 scores rushing. Really would like this kid, and was thinking he'd have more offers by now.

Just realize that it's far from a sure thing that we offer just because the coaches follow a kid. They follow plenty of kids who they don't actually offer. That being said, this kid could definitely get an offer and would be deserving of it.

Looks like Perry and Patrick are doing a good job of reviewing and familiarizing Littrell with the players we recruited before. I'm sure they'll take a look at the guys who will be de committing, especially if we were looking at them before. Guys like Tucker and Cook are recruits who have the offer lists that I want in our signees, realistically. Not great, but good solid G5 offer lists similar to the all-CUSA guys we've had like Zach Orr, Bellazin, Y'Barbo, Lemon, and Akunne. That being said, I didn't think we had a chance at guys like this with Mccarney, even though there were no schools on those offer lists that we should've matched up poorly against. Good to see us get another chance with these type of kids but with Littrell in charge.

And none of those 4 teams have won a game against a division 1 opponent.

Pretty typical for QBs to have braces on the knee of their plant leg.

He started off at QB here. Has an awful throwing motion.

Yeah, I know why you made a thread on him. Just interested that we might pursue a juco when it seemed we wouldn't.

I'm wondering why the coaches are thinking about going after this kid when they made no effort to bring in any juco prospects the weekend before mid-term signing day. Maybe it was too short notice, and maybe they do still try and bring this kid in before the spring semester starts.

You are correct. For every scholarship short of 25 this class ends up using, that's how many extra we can have next class. Provided that the number in excess of 25 is at least how many mid-term enrollees we get next class. An example would be us signing 22 kids this class. We would be 3 short of 25, so 3 is the magic number. Next class (2017) we could sign 3 more than 25, so 28. We would be able to sign 28 provided that at least 3 signees (the magic number in this case) were mid-term enrollees, so were enrolled by January 2017.

That's why I explained it in detail. Thank you.

We've had this discussion before. I agree with you, and what you are saying. I'm not discrediting parental/mentor research and knowledge. What I'm responding to is a statement that said "most high school seniors who grew up watching Harrell light it up at Tech".

If he graduated then yes. I haven't seen it officially announced that he's leaving yet, though

It would also be nice if he could reach out to the receiver Chase Cokley from Austin Westlake, who is listed as a commit on rivals and 247

Agreed. But I'm fine with taking a project like this, with somewhat similar circumstances. This kid didn't play until his senior year, I believe, plus his brother made it to the NFL so he has genetics on his side. Not like a kid who has been playing football for 10 years, been to all the camps in high school, playing for a big-exposure school like Coppell and still unable to pick up any FBS offers.

This is where I think a lot of people are misunderstood with recruits. Harrell was a senior at Tech when the current high school seniors were in 5th grade. So few kids are really watching college football intently at that age. If the kid's parents were Tech alum then for sure, but if not I think we overestimate how much college football these kids have watched and how few years they've really been paying attention. That being said, I think he'll still be able to recruit very well and if kids don't know what he did at Tech before they get recruited by us I'm sure they'll know once we start recruiting them.

What?! That's how plenty of kids do things. Our old staff offered this kid and he wants to see if the new staff will honor the offer so he can evaluate his options now. It's the dead period, and on Twitter you have to be following each other to contact through direct messages, which are probably the main source of communication during the dead period since calls and emails are limited. He's trying to get Coach Littrell to follow back.

FBS, yes

That's most likely pretty far off. His 247 page was pretty much completely barren yesterday before it was reported that he signed with us, and that's his only recruiting profile page as a juco recruit. He also doesn't have a Twitter. Playing in the conference he played in, with the stats he put up, there's no way we were his only offer.

https://twitter.com/dlinekp/status/677690780232908804 So his name is spelled with a "u" at the end, and not an "e" at the end like Meangreensports incorrectly spelled it. Which means Meangreensports literally spelled all three of our mid-term signees names wrong in the OFFICIAL release of the signings, that came a day late. #itsallajoke