BillySee58

I don't think anyone was saying this staff can't win recruiting battles. Maybe saying they hadn't shown it, or that they needed to. Not that they couldn't. Man, I'm still blown away by how juco heavy they're going. That's a huge pickup, though in Johnson. Probably first juco four-star we've signed since Cam Montgomery.

Here's is a list of all the CUSA schools and their record so far this school year in conference play, combined between their football, men's basketball, and women's basketball team (ordered that way in parenthesis). We are dead last. No real particular order, sorry. MTSU - 20-6 (6-2, 7-2, 7-2) Marshall - 17-9 (6-2, 7-2, 4-5) WKU - 19-7 (8-0, 3-6, 8-1) ODU - 13-13 (3-5, 5-4, 5-4) Charlotte - 9-17 (0-8, 4-5, 5-4) FIU - 8-18 (3-5, 5-4, 0-9) FAU - 10-16 (3-5, 4-5, 3-6) *UAB - 11-7 (0-0, 8-1, 3-6) UTEP - 15-10 (3-5, 3-5, 9-0) USM - 14-10 (7-1, 4-4, 3-5) La Tech - 15-8 (6-2, 4-3, 5-3) UTSA - 8-18 (3-5, 2-7, 3-6) Rice - 8-16 (3-5, 2-6, 3-5) UNT - 6-18 (1-7, 2-6, 3-5) *no football team this year. Still five more total conference wins than us. “What we need now is for folks to come out and be a part of what we do,” Villarreal said. “It’s fair to say that we provided the facilities and atmosphere that people wanted. We have the kind of coaches who can do what we need to do. Dan proved that a year ago. We need people to come out, fill the stands and help move the program forward.” - RV during coaches caravan

"Yeah, you know, it just hasn't been our season." - Benford in the postgame show "They didn't call that. We haven't been getting calls all year. They should've called that." - on a foul that should've been called against Combs

Can't help but wonder why Bain didn't have more offers out of JUCO. Either way would be a good get

Not a bad example, but that all happened after Putu's season ended. The tough situation where you can get burned is getting a commit and shutting down recruiting at that position (like QB) but then knowing that player still has his whole senior season for bigger programs to come around on him. If we could lock up a Blosser commitment at some point it would be really nice if we could get him to enroll early.

They can, they just have to be unofficial visits.

Good stuff

Also, I noticed Leblanc has a son who is a 6'1" 260 lb sophomore and started at right tackle for his school in Mississippi. Could be a good prospect in a couple years, and would be a big addition for a local school if he chooses to move the family.

I want to say you're thinking of the first two full classes signed by Mccarney (2012 and 2013). I don't know how much Dodge recruited Louisiana, but he only got two signees from the state in four classes. In 2012 we signed four from Louisiana, but also had a commitment from Royce LaFrance who flipped to Tulane towards the end. LaFrance was really the only one out of the five who was a good prospect, and the other four never really played meaningful snaps for us. Also, the final straw for the Mccarney era recruiting Louisiana was getting commits from Jermaine Antoine and Sergio Medina in 2013. Antoine flipped to TCU and Medina flipped to Tulane. That turned off Mccarney and a lot of our fans from recruiting Louisiana. We just needed better recruiters, IMO. Hopefully we have good enough recruiters now.

Yeah, you're not required to offer or anything just because they OV. But at the same time you don't see many kids taking OVs and then just being offered PWO.

You think Pirtle is an Official visit? I know Vito was quoting him as saying his coaches were basically telling him to expect a PWO offer. I feel like they might not be saying that if it was an official.

Jalen Adams. Ugh, man that was too bad. He was a highly recruited kid, and he could've been a really good receiver, but his ceiling was all-conference if he would've played CB.

Thanks, Or! Hopefully you can get him on between NSD and spring practice.

I don't know what recruiting site you're referencing rates classes on a letter scale, but from 2002-2006 Alabama's class rankings on Rivals were 30th, 49th, 24th, 18th, and 11th. He started bringing in better classes as he went along, but those good classes weren't old enough to make a difference until Saban arrived.

Writing was on the wall. Thanks

Means barely hit 50% completion percentage his junior year and didn't hit 50% his senior year. Debiase actually had 2500 yards. 1400 was from the regular season, but as Vito said, he sat a lot in the second half because they would be up by so much. Way ahead of Means as a senior.

Like I just told MGT, Gronk never played a down while Littrell was at Arizona because of injury, and Littrell didn't become OC until Gronk was in the NFL. I don't think he values the tight end all that much. He didn't use the tight ends much at North Carolina, and despite recruiting many JUCOs here he didn't bother to go after a juco tight end. Even though his three current tight ends have yet to play a meaningful snap, two are coming off redshirts, and none were very highly recruited at tight end. That tells me he isn't that worried if he doesn't get much out of that position. For that reason I don't see the harm in moving Dillman. Exactly. And I don't blame them either. And Littrell was technically his position coach, so it wasn't too much of a reach.

Not only was Littrell not the OC when Gronk was at Arizona, but Gronk never played a down while Littrell was at Arizona. Gronk missed the entire 2009 season, which was Littrell's first at Arizona and Gronk's last.

Yup. Raines is loaded. One of the best programs at producing D1 talent in the country, historically. Oh yeah, definitely not saying he's some hidden kid who didn't get enough exposure. I just think he's a step above the young guys on our roster (Means and Chumley) in terms of actually getting on the field with this coaching staff. It kind of reminds me of people saying there was no reason to give Dillman a chance at QB because of John Walsh. Would Mcnulty, Greer, Means, or Chumley ever been able to play QB for Walsh either? They certainly weren't able to get the offers he did. Same with Debiase. How innacurate would VT people thinks Means was, completing under 50% as a high school senior? I've never touted either of those guys against the rest of CUSA. Just against the other guys Mccarney brought in.

What tight end are you referring to?

They also got a QB commitment for their 2016 class about 9 months ago. They haven't been in the market for a 2016 QB since then. The Virginia Tech offer isn't on the table anymore either. But that doesn't mean he didn't earn two P5 offers. He's not very tall at 6'1", and if you're 6'1" and don't have elite speed then it's hard to get offered by a lot of schools. The fact that he was offered by two power 5 schools at any point, despite being 6'1" says good things about his ability to play on the conference USA level. And that's what we're asking him to do. Play at the conference USA level, and beat out QBs who have not yet shown the ability to contend for a job at the conference USA level. It doesn't exactly take an all-CUSA QB to beat out Means and Chumley, who are the QBs with eligibility remaining after Smith and Morris leave.

Yes, he says he has known him for four years. http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2015/12/relationship-with-littrell-puts-unt-in-race-for-augie-debiase.html/

Like Wag Tag said, also had a Virginia Tech offer. He also led his team to a state title game appearance and lost to one of the best programs in the country in Booker T Washington in Miami. He had a good senior year against some of the best competition in the country. Also, unrated on ESPN doesn't mean he's worse than a two-star or bad. They're just lazy outside of P5 commits. Tee Goree was rated a 3-star by 247, scout, and rivals, but unranked by ESPN. Not because he was a bad recruit, but because they're lazy. Also, after Morris and Smith leave the remaining guys have not shown much and were recruited by the old guys. Kevin Wilson was and still is the head coach there. If he didn't like Debiase then he wouldn't have been offered.

If he commits he's probably the immediate front runner to start in 2017.