BillySee58

The former Georgia QB?

I haven't seen any comments that suggest there are detractors with this commitment.

I suggest not caring about downvotes.

How does this help prove they are good recruiters? Getting a DFW kid to choose is over service acad my and FCS offers should be a given, unless the kid is dead set on going to a service academy.

Oh for sure. Just frustrating how long the results been like this yet he is still here despite no signs that he was turning things around.

Here is the video: Looked like a good call to me. Benford was insistent in the post-game interview that Neubauer was in the restricted zone, but he clearly wasn't by a good bit. I think Benford's reaction stems from knowing he is running very low on losses at this point. I remember thinking this back in the 2013-2014 season. Benford is still here, yet none of the players on the roster that year are.

GMG24 is right that jerseys and field access are permissible in unofficial visits. Official visits can start during the recruit's senior year. The big programs bring in a lot of recruits on game day official visits. Not sure about how Littrell does it, but for whatever reason Mccarney would very rarely bring in recruits on official visits during the season. He would wait until January. That may be why you were thinking that.

To apply for a hardship waiver for a redshirt for a year where a player does play games, the player needs to play in less than 33% of his team's games. Frazier exceeded that amount last year and will do so this season as well, barring injury. Plus, he would have to have a case for hardship (i.e. season-ending injury) which he really doesn't given the reasons for his transfer.

They can essentially count for either the class that has just passed via backcounting (in this case 2016) or for the nearest future class (2017 in this case). The thing is, the point behind blue shirting is that you ran out of spots for your most recent class so you're needing to afford some to the next class. So usually they're counting towards the next class.

Oh God, do we now have a football version of people comparing Benford's first four years to Johnny Jones' first four years?

Hair-Griffin*

Shoutout to Vito and the relationship he has forged with Brian Perroni of 247. This is likely not the case had Vito not done so. Definitely would not have been done this quickly.

I would say it's more inconsistent than anything. I can't tell you why each UNT fan doesn't subscribe. But basically there are subsites on the major recruiting sites. We used to have one with rivals, but the guy who ran it (Troy Phillips) left soon after Dodge did, which was not coincidental. Here it is: https://northtexas.rivals.com Another example is volquest. The url is tennessee.rivals.com. It is also a subsite within rivals, specially dedicated for Tennessee Vols fans. The site is run by Brent Hubbs, Paul Fortenberry, and a few other insiders. They work for Rivals, but their job is to provide Tennessee coverage, particularly with recruiting, and drive subscribers to their subsite, and in turn, to Rivals. The folks at volquest, the other subsites, and the site as a whole (Rivals, 247, scout) are going to service their paying customers, just like any profession. In this case, it usually amounts to a bunch of clamoring fans complaining that their recruits aren't rated high enough, so they get in-depth re-evaluations and ratings. This isn't to say our recruits never get fair evaluations, or that only the big schools' recruits actuall get attention from these websites. But just like any business, you're going to pay more attention and devote more extra time to the higher paying customers. Which, in this case, is the big fan bases of the name brand schools/programs. That's why it was great to see Vito form a bit of a partnership with Brian Perroni of 247. He has given our commits the time of day. Either way, everything mentioned above is why there are inconsistencies and lack of attention with our commits to the point that it is hard to put much stock into comparing our recruits by heir ratings. Because the terms of their ratings are usually completely different. Whereas FBS coaches are fired if they don't bring in the right players, so you can bet they will/have given our recruits adequate evaluation in whether they choose to offer or not. Which is why that carries more weight with our guys, to me.

The earlier the offer, the more likely the sites will give a rating. How well thought out the rating will be is a different question. Over the summer and spring they try and at least slap a rating on all the guys getting offered. But that's likely the last evaluation they get unless P5 offers come in, while the top recruits will go through about 3 more reevaluation cycles. If the offers don't start coming until the fall, the guys on those sites are more concerned about who is announcing their commitment, who is going on official visits, etc. They're not as concerned about taking the time to rate the unrated kid who just committed to North Texas, who has no subscribers.

Because he plays for Cleburne and he hasn't been offered by high-profile enough schools to motivate the guys who actually rank recruits to pop in the film and give an evaluation. And his coaches/whoever is helping him with recruiting haven't bothered to notify the recruiting sites. Again, another reason why offer lists are a better metric for evaluating our recruits. If a player isn't offered and being strongly considered by the schools whose fanbases pay good subscription money to those sites, where's the motivation to watch the film and give an evaluation/rating? Which often results in nonexistent ratings and half-assed ratings for the guys we go after. He'll be rated at some point, but there's no promise it will be an in-depth look.

He enrolled at Angelo State for the 2014 season. If he was enrolled full-time that semester (fall 2014), then he started his eligibility counter back then, which would put him at 2 to play 2.

Yeah, looks pretty good to me

Good stuff, JayD. One thing that I've tried to emphasize with our recruits and their offer lists is it's important to also take into account their exposure. Aaron Jones didn't get the same amount of college coaches coming through in El Paso that he would've had he played for Hebron over here. Same with the guys we recruit out of East Texas vs the guys from DFW. But it's hard to quantity that through numbers. Either way, great compilation.

Yes! They do! But I don't know why it is so hard for so many on this board to fail to grasp the point that recruits with higher ratings/better offer lists pan out at a HIGHER RATE than those with less stars/less offers. It's a proven fact. Also, not sure how a 4-star QB with offers from those schools you mentioned is an example that you don't have to be highly rated/recruited to succeed, or if that's what you were getting at. And you bring up a great point with former NFL running back Bryce Brown. He ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at 6' 220 lbs. He made it to the NFL with two years of very little college production. Were the scouts and college coaches wrong about him because he didn't live up to his expectations? No. He earned 5-stars because of his athletic ability. Star ratings don't account for whether or not he can handle the rigors and expectations of a college and pro athlete. They account for his ability, of which he had freakish amounts.

As a friend of guys who were getting recruited by North Texas, no one was bad mouthing North Texas to them because no one was talking about North Texas at all. And when they did start considering North Texas people didn't start discouraging them from going there. I get the sentiment in what you're saying, but if you can't win recruiting battles you are going to struggle doing so anywhere, regardless of outside general perception in that area. I think you'd be surprised how little the DFW kids we recruit really know about us or have talked about us before we offer them. Every kid is going to be different, but it's on the coaches to get the kids to buy in to what it is they feel is important to them.

There are always going to be outliers. It's a numbers game. For every Mayfield there are literally thousands of players with 2 or 3 G5 offers who never sniff the heisman ceremony. Bobby Petrino at Louisville signed a QB with offers from Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Georgia, Miami (FL), Clemson, Ohio State, etc. How'd that turn out for him? He won the Heisman in 2016. Nick Saban at Alabama signed a guy with offers from Florida, Florida State, Miami (FL), Clemson, Notre Dame, Tennessee, USC, as part of his third straight number 1 class in 2013. How'd that work out for him? Henry won the 2015 Heisman and Saban won the National Championship that year and probably the next year. You can bring up guys who beat the odds and I can bring up guys who were top flight recruits and ended up ruling college football like Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Jameis Winston, Trent Richardson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Ezekiel Elliott, etc. It's a numbers game. Many, many studies have been doing showing how a much higher percentage of five stars get drafted/are successful in college than four stars, four stars get drafted/are successful than three stars, on down the line. Again, for us, our recruits don't get fair evaluations. They typically watch a few minutes of film, slap a rating on our guys, and never revisit them if they don't add any P5 offers or offers of schools that have paying subscribers and sub sites through their recruiting website. Unless of course they rated our guys too high and they only commit to us over G5 offers. Then they go back and lower their rating to match more consistently with our recruits (247 dropping Ivery from an 87 to a 79 and rivals dropping Cameron Johnson from almost a 4-star at 5.7 down to the lowest 3-star rating of 5.5). Which is why offers are a more fair evaluation given our situation with no paid subscribers to any of the major recruiting sites. I have also said I'm okay with two guys a class have no other offers, and another four or so having two or less other FBS offers. That gives our coaches a chance to find one of these guys. And with QBs, small skill players, and defensive backs, their offer lists matter the least because small QBs often have not many offers but can fit a system well, and skill players like Chancellor/Harris get looked over because they're small but that doesn't matter much in their job description. DBs for similar reasons. But if we're signing classes like WKU has been signing with the offer lists their recruits had, that gives us a much better chance of being good than signing a class like Mccarney's 2012 class where over half the class didn't have but maybe one other FBS offer.

I was in high school during the Dodge years. One of my teammate's older brother and a running back signed from my school under Dodge in 2008. Six of my teammates were offered by UNT with two signing here and the other ones choosing BCS/P5 offers over UNT. Two guys from my high school signed with UNT this past class. The perception throughout my high school years for those guys was that UNT was a good opportunity to stay close to home and make a big impact, for kids who didn't have BCS/P5 offers. There was no one telling these kids to not consider UNT. Who would've told them negative things about UNT? The coaches do their homework and look at the current situation for the recruits, and other parents don't even really know that much about all the schools that are recruiting their kids' teammates. And even if they do, they don't have the gumption to tell a kid not to consider a school who has offered them. And the actual recruits parents care enough about their kids future then to just disregard a full scholarship offer because of what they have heard or seen in the past from a school. Especially if they don't have obviously better options, like perennial top 25 teams from P5 conferences. Good recruiters can get quality G5 recruits to come here. Period. They get to paint the picture to recruits on what UNT is. Current recruits most likely have never heard of Dan Mccarney. Their college football exposure is Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, Lamar Jackson, etc. They don't even have the NCAA football game anymore to goof around with teams they have never heard of. And in an era where people get to choose what, where, and when they consume media, they most likely aren't stumbling upon our game on Bein sports network. Their perception of UNT is almost exclusively what our coaches can sell to them. This idea that our history kills our recruiting to the extent some people act like it does is ridiculous. We have had bad recruiting and bad recruiters lately. Guys like PJ Fleck and Tom Herman would've been able to get top-of-the-conference classes here, and Frank Wilson would have a class up there as well. They know how to get recruits to buy what they're selling at an elite level. We haven't had that. That's the problem. Not some random person catching wind of us offering a kid and badmouthing us to them.

Not true. Mayfield was gone before Mahomes got there.

Add "of his junior year" after January and 90's statement is still accurate. Hell, add "of his sophomore year" and 90's statement is still accurate.

No. And no one has accused them of that. Maybe not being as relentless as other staff, but I haven't seen any accusations of them not being out there at all. Sure. They're definitely trying. Not sure that helps a critical, unbiased evaluation of their performance (results) so far in recruiting. Perhaps. But I really think we overrate this. These kids are so impressionable, our coaches get to paint the picture of what UNT is and, more importantly, what it is going to be when they are here. Such a small amount of these kids have watched a North Texas game prior to our recruitment of them. This is a message board. This isn't a site affiliated with the athletic department or school where our goal is to paint as positive a picture as possible. It's for discussion. Of course we love to talk good about our school. But intelligent, well-thought-out discussion is always welcome, even if the result is not favorable towards our school and program. As long is criticism is well founded, it has every right to be on this board. And, back to my actual point from the previous post, you said that the Twitter account in question should be for promoting UNT. My point was that the owner of that account, and them alone, gets to choose what that account is for. That was all my point was there. Not that I condone them, or anyone else, bashing our results.