BillySee58

That would be North Texas signee, sir!

Virginia would be great

I wouldn't say that they are killing us on the recruiting trail this class, as of now, just based on commits. The difference is, they have continually shown the ability to win head-to-head recruiting battles where we have not. The last 11 commits the previous cycle all had just us as the only FBS school actively recruiting them. UTSA was getting guys like this, who committed to them after official visits to Kansas State and Texas Tech. http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Samuel-Barnes-94851/RecruitInterests and these http://247sports.com/Player/Taylor-Perry-37330/TimelineEvents http://247sports.com/player/javontavius-mosley-87892 http://247sports.com/player/tariq-woolen-46035648 http://247sports.com/Player/Morris-Joseph-87962/TimelineEvents We aren't necessarily off to a bad start. Our start just hasn't shown any real change from the end of the last cycle. Our coaches still have yet to prove that. Their coaches have already, in the same amount of time on the job.

I agree on not derailing a recruit's thread. What I don't agree is that's it is "complaining." Intelligent, unbiased evaluations should not be confused with complaining.

I think the point that keeps getting lost here is that the commits, individually, are not who the criticism and disappointment is surrounding. It's the coaching staff. 15 of our last 16 commits have had us as the only active FBS offers at the time of commitment. Sure there is time for these current commits to pick up more offers. Of course there are examples of players in the past being productive players despite having just one FBS offer. And maybe some of these guys will join such a list. Regardless, the posts I have seen have not been trashing recruits individually. It's a collective evaluation of the current state of UNT recruiting. @MGNation92 received some pretty harsh criticism, and high-grade post misinterpretation recently. He's not the only one. This is about watching the third cycle of Littrell recruits and still not seeing any real progress in head-to-head recruiting results. I don't get why it's so hard to understand people critically evaluating this and coming to the conclusion that this is concerning. Doesn't mean we aren't rooting for this team and program, or these commits.

Maybe, but Mccarney's staff was doing the same thing. Look how many of those guys we took before their senior seasons had started back in 2012 and 2013: Rod Lancaster https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/roderick-lancaster-134876 Sir Calvin Wallace https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/sir-calvin-wallace-44238 Rex Rollins https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/rex-rollins-77328 Malik Dilonga (had a ULM offer) https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/malik-dilonga-121723 Jarrian Roberts https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/jarrian-roberts-101360 John Shilleci https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2013/john-schilleci-25749 Dominick Walker https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2013/dominic-walker-85139 Calvin Minor https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2013/calvin-minor-65210 Sed Ellis https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2013/sed-ellis-72401 Harrison Sorge https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2013/harrison-sorge-95741 Those are the upperclassmen (or would have been) of a 1-11 team. Identifying your guys is good. I'm scared of Littrell and co over relying on their scouting abilities and those abilities being contradictorily better than those of their peers. NFL GMs and college coaches who put too much faith that they are the "smartest guy in the room" usually pay the price.

I have a real hard time believing ADs, Presidents, and major donors at P5 schools would all be able to get behind a coach with such pedestrian recruiting results. A la Arizona State with June Jones. I know there was more to that situation than just recruiting, but still.

The point being made is not that he has done a bad job. Just that it hasn't warranted this type of commitment this early.

I feel like the fan base has been enamored with Littrell from day 1. People have gotten excitement from the smallest things he has done, including things that the prior regime was doing as well. All for the simple reason, IMO, that the fan base has wanted this hire to be successful so, so bad. And that makes complete sense and there's really nothing wrong with that. What does concern me is the similar unconditional infatuation that Baker seems to have for Littrell; a coach he didn't even hire. That is very concerning to me, especially when I start thinking about the idea of Baker needing to part ways with a hire of his own. When we extended Mac, there were clear areas of concern in which he had not addressed his capabilities surrounding. To that point he had only signed one high school o-lineman who was capable of playing meaningful snaps (Cyril Lemon). He had yet to prove he could sign a legit FBS-caliber QB. Same for defensive line, as all four starters on the bowl team were inherited from the prior regime. The bowl team featured 7/11 starters on offense and 6/11 starters on defense who were inherited from Dodge. And his recruiting was subpar, especially when looking at who else was recruiting the signees of our three classes to that point (not many other FBS schools). We're on Littrell's third recruiting class and of the last 14 commits he has received between the 2017 and 2018 class, 13 of them have been players who did not have any other active FBS offers. And that one who does has been tweeting at coaches from other schools asking them to follow back, and is clearly looking at other options. I know we had a decent year on the field, but it's disappointing to see another extension/raise before we see ability to win recruiting battles consistently.

I believe he would. The rule, as I understood it back with the 2014 class when Mccarney officially announced that spots in that class belonged to Blake Macek, Kenny Buyers, Skip Caldwell, and Kaydon Kirby, is that a player has to play two seasons as a walkon for that team in order to not count towards a class when placed on scholarship. I'm really not sure about that rule anymore. We seem to have filled up our classes with traditional signings and still had room to put walkons on scholarship who played just one season for us as walkons (Andy Flusche, Sam Rice, etc.)

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Mean Joe Greene will be on 105.3 The Fan next Monday morning as Chris Arnold and Bryan Broaddus fill in for Shan and RJ.

Thank you! I was aware that it was Tune's dog and it was lost, but I never understood the backstory as to why this story seemed to get so much fanfare, and why the dog was on the front page of GMG when I joined. Not saying losing a dog isn't a big deal, I just thought there may have been something a little more to it for the reasons I mentioned.

Dillman played for La Mirada through his junior year. Same school that Brown graduated from, and the same class.

The more likely connection here may be to Kevin Dillman. They were high school teammates.

Can someone explain the story of Ray to me?

FBS Schedules shows us with games against Army in 2019 and 2020. So that's 4 games, including the game played in 2016 and the game scheduled this season. I don't see the schedules on there past that but it seems like the other Army games would be in 2022 and 2023.

Commits to Baylor

Now that he's locked up we can work on securing a commitment from Ladainian Thompson.

They also don't have anyone left on staff to update it otherwise

Duffy makes 13. Returners (6): - Greg White-Pittman - Shane Temara - Allante Holston - Khalil Fuller - Ryan Woolridge - AJ Lawson Signees (7): - Zach Simmons - Mark Tikhonenko - Umoja Gibson - Roosevelt Smart - Michael Miller - Tope Arikawe - Jorden Duffy

Absolutely. But we need more than just two of these guys to prove we have really turned the corner in recruiting. We had Guyton and Cameron Johnson last year, who had similar offer lists. The issue was that that was it. The ability to get competitive pulls with more consistency is the key.

I disagree. Gray has a decent offer list, but not one that currently would stand out among all CUSA signees. Gonna take more than two good gets. Definitely would be a step in the right direction. The key is showing he can do it consistently against the teams we compete against. Would like to think we are seeing the beginning of that.

Again, I was just speculating and giving recent examples of similar situations. Whether he stays committed or not, there is clearly a long way to go on this one and this means we lead with him. That's the way I look at it, which is a good sign.