BillySee58

Woah, what? That would be huge

Don't post about the staff's inability to get kids with good offer lists, don't post long messages about what advantages/disadvantages we have/have to overcome, don't say anything along the lines of "I thought this staff couldn't recruit" which may egg on the other side of the argument and start a back and forth, etc. Everyone is tired of it. Those posts will get deleted if the recruit's name is in the thread. Create a separate thread if you must, or better yet, post in one of those threads that already exist. Stay on topic. And if a thread is about a recruit, he is the topic.

I don't follow other beat writers, but other reporters for teams do this. Covers OU Covers SMU Just a couple examples. Yes, it is pretty common practice

He's just reporting where the recruit committed. I also don't understand how fans who evaluate objectively can be called trolls. They're fans of this program but there's ample substance behind the claims. If it were UTSA fans who don't want us to succeed and revel in our failures, that'd be trolling.

Just don't do it in the recruit's thread. You can do it in threads regarding the subject (which there have been some) or create one of your own. Also, to add on to this request, this also means don't go posting "I thought this staff couldn't recruit" in these same threads. Egging on the other side of the argument is asking for a rebuttal.

Alright, just voted. Littrell is in 2nd. Let's make a repeat of when we had Mccarney way out in front of that one a couple years back.

Below is the number 1 2018 JUCO recruit in the country per 247, and the only 2018 JUCO recruit rated by 247 for the class. http://247sports.com/Player/Deshawn-Corprew-34316 He only has one offer. JUCOs in basketball typically don't start getting offered until the season starts and after. It's not like 2018 high school football recruits where they are at the point where offers are pretty much done coming out across the country until new game footage comes out. Also, Mccasland and his staff have shown solid recruiting ability in a short period here, and showed it at Arkansas State.

Commits to Texas State

Correct. Provided that all 12 of our scholarship players with eligibility left stay on the roster for the 2018-2019 season.

Appears to be for next year

To add some updates with the spreadsheet now that the roster has been updated: - Devlin Isadore and Devin O'Hara are both listed as being on scholarship but neither are. - Conversely, Quinn Shanbour is on scholarship. He is also a redshirt junior after receiving another year of eligibility. - Terrance Johnson and Julius Combes are both listed as being on scholarship but neither are. - William Lemasters is listed as being on scholarship but he is not. At least to my knowledge. - Kway Hill is no longer on the roster. I'm sure there are plenty of walkons no longer on the roster, and new ones we need to add, but I didn't go through them all. - Wylie Reinhardt had to give up football due to injury - Kel Straubmueller is listed as being on scholarship but I am not aware of when that move to put him on scholarship happened if it did. Does anyone know if/when that was announced? - The fall-enrollee signees have been added. This includes junior DB Kemon Hall who apparently will be a blueshirt, meaning he will be a scholarship player this season. - Grad transfer OL Riley Mayfield joins the team on scholarship as a redshirt junior - JUCO transfer OL Sosaia Mose joins the team on scholarship as a redshirt sophomore - We announced 16 high-school signees on signing day. One is already on the spreadsheet in early-enrollee Cade Pearson. The other 15 have been added as well. They are: DB Cameron Johnson DL Tony Krasniqi DL Dion Novil LB Kody Fulp LB Chris Thornton OL Jacob Brammer OL Manase Mose OL Dakoda Newman OL Brian Parish RB Evan Johnson RB Tre Siggers S Tyreke Davis S Makyle Sanders WR Jaelon Darden WR Greg White - Also, freshman DB Jordan Roberts and freshman OL Brendon Weatherspoon are both reportedly joining the team as blueshirts as well. So they should be listed as scholarship players as well. By my count we have 73 scholarship players this year. 18 of which are offensive linemen. That means 1/4 of our scholarship players are offensive linemen.

Wow. Interesting pickup. Not much on him online, but looks like he averaged 13 points/game, 10 rebounds/game, 41% on threes at 4 attempts/game (good quality and quantity), and 1.7 steals/game. At 6'6" it sounds like he can play 2-4

Commits to SMU

Replace "bring in" with "sign" and I think you get what Brett is trying to say. He uses the two interchangeably, and we didn't sign a JUCO or transfer QB since Isadore is a walkon.

Oh dang. Never saw that. Thanks for the heads up

Wow. So we're going into this season with 2 scholarship QBs. A true freshman and a true sophomore. That's definitely a fact about this team that is flying under the radar.

We only have 2 scholarship QBs from the current roster that will be back in 2018. Makes sense. Wouldn't be shocking if it was a JUCO, since if Pearson redshirts you'd be looking at two freshmen (Pearson and Martin) behind a junior in Fine. Do you know if Devin O'Hara is on scholarship?

He is, which is why I referenced his feet and shoulders. That's the reference point. So yeah, it should be a little because he is throwing right but the extent that we see is a long motion. That arm angle, with a clean pocket, illustrates the habitual nature of the motion imo. And the rest of his highlights.

Still waiting for the day where you can reply to me in a non passive-aggressive manner or without mocking me. But yeah, admittedly that was a lazy comparison to a QB who had a release that was about as long just in a different motion, yet had success here. This is a good shot of his release. We see his arm, while facing the opposing team's end zone, doesn't just go a long way back toward his own end zone, it also goes very far back towards the sideline to his back. We see his feet and shoulders squared up to the middle of the field, but the ball still clearing the back of his helmet in this shot directly behind him. That's where his "wind-up" occurs more so than bringing the ball down like you see some former QBs with pitching backgrounds do. You can still notice it from the sideline view, but not nearly as clear as this end zone shot. I wonder if there isn't any blueshirt contemplation. The players they have not announced in the past have often been blueshirts or blueshirt candidates who we ended up as regular signees on NSD (like Novil and Fine). Although with Junius King they tweeted out his area code like a week late.

Respectfully, he does it every throw from the pocket. Reminds me of Derek Thompson's release.

Oh boy. Try six. As @MeanGreenTexan pointed out recently, the whole snatching up recruits late who saw a bunch of their offers dry up has been happening since before Littrell. You and I could've signed Siggers and Darden over Grambling and Texas Southern. That's par for the course, something I've advocated us saving spots for at the end for years, but should not be relied on to save a class. No, it's like saying "Man, I love this kid we just signed, but it doesn't make me feel anymore confident in our coaches abilities to win recruiting battles than signing a kid who never had another FBS offer would." Good pickups, but don't prove our coaches can win recruiting battles. I feel like we can both agree on that. Where the disconnect seems to be, as evidenced by your "what is the fricking difference," response is why that matters. It matters to me because if our coaches are relegated to only players no one else wants, then we aren't going to be as successful as we would be if we are able to get players higher on our board who other schools want as well. Maybe in some cases we prefer players with no other offers over a player who does have some. But it doesn't matter who we prefer if we are relegated to players no one wants because of recruiting ability. Those three guys would've gone FCS had we not swooped in late, which means that even FCS schools get these type of players whose stock drops. An FCS class is made up of players who never received FBS offers and a few who did but those schools stopped recruiting them. That's eerily similar to what we have going right now. I don't want our class to resemble an FCS class, but that's what it is going to look like if we continue to only be able to get guys with no other FBS offers and guys who see their stock drop to the point where we are the only FBS team actively recruiting them. Thats why it matters to me. If it doesn't matter to you, great. I'm not trying to persuade you. Just trying to explain my point. Again, we both agree that when it comes to evaluating the player as a recruit, it doesn't matter which schools who offered are still recruiting them. The offer list accumulated over the cycle can't be discredited when evaluating that recruit. And I think we agree that the schools that are currently recruiting the recruit we get to commit show our coaches ability to win recruiting battles. And offers from schools that are no longer recruiting them don't indicate that we won a recruiting battle against that school. If that doesn't matter to you, cool. I'm not trying to get it to matter to you. Just trying to get you to stop misinterpreting my posts. If you make passive-aggressive comments at me without tagging me in the post, while misinterpreting me, I'm going to clear up my message.

Total offers used to evaluate players as recruits. Active offers used to evaluate coaches recruiting abilities. Not sure how many times this needs to be explained to you for you to understand. Up around 5 attempts at this point. Still trying because you are a loyal poster and I really want you to get.

They are. But when identifying potential all-CUSA recruits, I think it's relevant. A good offer list out of high school shows that the player has talent and has skills that numerous coaches believed would translate to the college level. A full season's worth of starting experience shows that the player is not a bust on the college level, and will be able to pair identified talent with substantial experience heading into a season. That combination gives a player a solid chance at having an all-CUSA season. Regardless of who offered them as a transfer. Both criteria have to be there. Good offer list out of high school means nothing to me until that player proves they can lock down a starting role here. So far only, of our AQ/P5 transfers, only Trice paired these two. He was all-CUSA. Terrell, Feldt, Stradford, Wallace, etc did not and were not all-CUSA candidates.

Generally, yes. For every recruit, no. My point was that to compile a list of offers for every CUSA signee, I'd have to look at all four sites to get an accurate list. Because 247, while the best at tracking G5 recruiting, is not going to have every single offer that the other three have for every single recruit. Just like the others will miss plenty that 247 shows. I have believed 247 is the best for about four recruiting cycles now. Over those four I have found 247 to be the most accurate out of the four major recruiting sites. But far from accurate enough to believe that they catch every single offer that goes out and that other sites never have offers 247 doesn't. You're making it sound like I have attempted to completely discredit the other three and believe 247 to be the end all, be all. As I said above, 247 is generally the best and most accurate, but it's not like I encourage people to not look at the other ones at all. For some recruits, the other sites are more accurate than others. I think all four should be looked at when evaluating a recruit. Both the offer lists they all have and the ratings they all have. Please, show me what post(s) you are referencing. No arguments here. I believe the more highly recruited signees we get, the better chance we have at getting all-CUSA players. Our small sample size of being in CUSA for four years indicates this theory has some substance behind it. But as you saw in other players, there is also substance against it. Never will be an exact science. Never did Anthony Wallace meet both of my all-CUSA criteria. Did he have a "B" or better offer list? Yes Did he ever enter a season at UNT with a full-season worth of starting experience under his belt? No He never started at Oregon, and he played 9 games and had 25 tackles as a junior here. So entering his senior season he did not have a season's worth of starting experience entering the year, thus wasn't deemed a potential all-CUSA guy by my parameters. So not sure why he would have you disagreeing with me. If he would've come in and started 12 games as soon a season he got eligible, then he would've been seen as a likely all-CUSA guy heading into his senior year based on my parameters. Gotta have both.

He was an A+ recruit out of high school. Who offered him when he decided to transfer doesn't change that. Again, this list was designed to determine all-CUSA potential in our players. If a player had an A+ offer list out of high school, and had a year of starting experience, then that player would have a good chance of being all conference the next year. This was the case with Trice, and what did end up happening. If we get another player with a similar offer list who then starts an entire season for us, I would give them a good probability to be all-CUSA in that second year as well. Just like Trice.