BillySee58

You can't kill that which has no life

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Emotional rollercoaster of a season. Coming into this game feeling like a team of destiny. Now realizing that we are likely going to be 4-3, with that miracle drive/a misplay by the UTSA secondary from being 3-4. Long season left

Guyton's RS Sophomore numbers are projected to pass Adams RS Freshman numbers in yards and TDs. No reason he couldn't put up 1,700 next year to match Adams' RS Sophomore year if he and Fine stay healthy. Fine is plenty good at getting him the ball even if he isn't an NFL QB. It sounds like you're implying #53 overall is a low 2nd round pick. Not sure why you're mentioning the specific pick number otherwise. It may be in the lower half, but if Guyton were told he would likely go within 10 picks either way of 53rd, he'd have a very hard time passing that up. On top of that, people have to consider that Guyton will be a redshirt junior next year, so it will be his 4th year of college. Not sure where he is in his degree plan, but redshirt juniors are sometimes done with their degree that year so declaring early doesn't always mean leaving before they graduate. Not sure if it's true for Guyton or not.

A similar case I see myself comparing Guyton to, given similar height/frame and speed, is Davante Adams. Adams redshirted then played as a RS Freshman and RS Sophomore then declared and got drafted in the second round, out of a G5 (then non-AQ) school.

Littrell himself said it when we were recruiting Fine. I don't thinks it's crap perception. I think it's reality for G5 programs. Good high school quarterbacks who have good size get bombarded with P5 offers. Most G5s have to choose between short QBs like Fine, Rakeem Cato, Blake Bogenschutz, etc. or try to develop tall QBs who don't have great production, like Connor Means (50% completion percentage in high school) or Josh Greer types.

I don't think so. His statement before that was that if Fine were bigger, the hit he took at the end wouldn't have hurt him as much. But, in the proposed hypothetical where Mason Fine is bigger you also would have to consider that he would have had P5 offers. That's what Tepper was getting at.

Yes, thanks. I knew in football the number was 3 games or less and I didn't bother verifying the percentage so thanks for the backup

I'm saying he wouldn't have a case based on this season alone. The NCAA rule is that a player has to miss at least 70% of his team's games in TWO different seasons.

Yes, unless they can prove when he took his first redshirt in 2015 that it was due to injury and not just a conventional redshirt. Now if he missed 70% of a future season due to injury, then he could have a case there.

Kenworthy was on the bench with his knee wrapped in what appeared to be ice

That's solid! I'd imagine he'd be an early enrollee with being a coaches son and committing this early. Redshirt in 2019 then compete with RS JR Pearson, RS SO Martin, and RS SO Bean

I think our current roster does actually show the importance of winning recruiting battles. Or at least getting guys other schools wanted at one point or another. The 2014, 2015, and 2016 classes were, based on offer lists, the 3 best classes North Texas has signed since Mccarney's first class back in 2011. Then you throw in 2017 signee Jalen Guyton, who we beat out West Virginia and Kansas for, and Jaelon Darden who had 5 other FBS offers including Va Tech at one point, and you've got a decent collection of guys who were coveted prospects.

Let me clear up my side of the argument, and state what I have stated for years, and not necessarily how the argument has been construed. 1, Players with better offer lists pan out at a higher rate in general. I do believe this to be true, ceteris paribus. 2. This issue is not signing no offer guys who the coaches like. The issue arises when coaches lose nearly every recruiting battle and are relegated to no offer guys. Get the ones you want, don't settle for them. 3. The positions where offer lists are not as important are with QBs, smaller skill players (slot receivers and scat back types), and defensive back. Short QBs generally don't have many offers but if they are good, can fit your system, and can be developed well then it doesn't matter. Guys like Rakeem Cato, Nick Mullens, Blake Bogenschutz (pre injury), Todd Reesing, etc. have proven this point to me over time. The small skill players, they don't get offered because they are small but there job is to catch the ball and make guys miss, not physically impose their will on people. Plenty of examples here at UNT alone, like Chancellor, Harris, and now looking like Lawrence and maybe Evan Johnson as well. Same with DBs. If you can cover and tackle in the open field, you don't have to have ideal size. With the linemen and linebacker types, the all-conference ones we have had were guys who other schools wanted. 4. To go along with the last point, getting no-offer guys who are undersized but great high school players is much different than getting no offer guys with prototypical size. If a guy has FBS measurable but we aren't having to outrecruit quality programs to get him, then that's a problem. I delved into this at the end of the MGN Podcast #75 last signing day https://meangreennation.com/category/mgn-podcast/page/2/ 5. The genesis of breaking things down by offer lists for me started 3 years ago when I was trying to identify players most likely to become all-conference guys. The best offer list in last year's class was Jalen Guyton. Arguably the second best was Jaelon Darden. Guyton is already an all-conference guy caliber player, and Darden shows the makings of one. If that happens, and you're asking the other guys to just become solid role players and dependable starters, then that's a great setup. The problem comes when you don't pull Guyton/Darden/Wilson/Bussey types and you're asking no offer guys to be your all conference guys and best players. That's what happened in 2015.

And tied for 3rd in the nation in receiving TDs

Regular Season (12 games): Fine - 3,592 yards, 28 TDs/10 INTs Wilson - 1,498 yards rushing, 18 touchdowns Guyton - 64 catches, 1,252 yards receiving and 14 touchdowns 13 games: Fine - 3,891 yards, 30 TDs/11 INTs Wilson - 1,623 rushing yards, 20 rushing touchdowns Guyton - 69 catches, 1,356 receiving yards, and 15 touchdowns Now obviously we could play 14 games, but I think you get the picture on the stat projections. Here are some fun facts about where those 13-game projected numbers would put these guys. For Guyton that would put him tied for 7th all-time on the North Texas career receiving touchdowns list, IN JUST ONE SEASON. It would break Fitzgerald's single-season receiving yards record set in 2007 (1,322 yards) and Ron Shanklin's 50-year old record of 13 receiving TDs in a season set in 1967. For Wilson, that would be good for 3rd most rushing yards in a season behind Cobbs and Thomas in 03/04, and would break Cobbs single-season rushing TD record set in 03 (19 rushing TDs). It would tie Wilson for 2nd all-time in career rushing TDs with Patrick Cobbs, and 3rd in career rushing yards. For Fine, it would break Maher's 94 record for passing yards by almost 800 yards and his TD record (26) from the same year by 4 TDs. For his career it would put Fine 6th in NT history in passing yards and 6th in career passing TDs. Fun staff happening.

If all these guys stay together and healthy, we're shaping up for a G5 offense that could carry a team to 11 or 12 regular season wins in 2019. Maybe even next year. Who knows? Guyton is looking like the type of receiver who will threaten for the nation lead in receiving yards before his time is up here.

Game winning touchdown by a guy with 8 other FBS offers, 182 yards and 2 scores from a former Notre Dame signee/JUCO with multiple P5 offers (Guyton), 3rd leading pass catcher as a true freshman had 5 other FBS offers including a P5 offer at one point (Darden), and both RBs had solid offer lists. Fine, no other offers but I've always maintained that fit for the system and development are much more important for a QB than offer list, especially at the G5 level. Which both those boxes have been strongly checked. Our staff was very opportunistic in getting these guys and it is paying great dividends. We got some big-time gets and they are starting to pan out at a much higher rate than we are used to seeing here. Credit to the staff there. These are mostly talented guys who plenty of other schools deemed as FBS guys and they're realizing the potential together, which is a great sight to see.

Fine, Guyton, Bussey, Lawrence, Darden, Chumley, Kelvin Smith, Nic Smith, and Evan Johnson all freshmen and sophomores

Our coaches salaries were something like 4th highest out of 9 Sun Belt schools at the time. The budget may have dictated the hires be cheap but so it did too at other schools in our conference and they weren't relegated to hiring a staff of high school coaches.

I think picking criteria on what the new coach should be before the search starts is a mistake for schools like us and UTEP. Especially UTEP. Gotta broaden the scope and find a guy who is a great fit.

Here are a couple 2 stars who college coaches thought highly of: https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2008/lance-dunbar-24693 https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2011/cyril-lemon-52411

Gotta finish but this would be easily bigger than Army last year

Couple of prospects we are recruiting are DB Jordan Rucker and WR Chritauski Dove from Denton Ryan.

Given that he missed just one season due to injury, the only way he could get a 6th season would be if he could prove that he redshirted in 2013 due to injury and was not just taking a conventional redshirt.