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no but I could see the Big 10 "maybe".

I will accept being in the ACC. Yes!

It certainly is. Glad to be in the P4 and not in the soon to be relegated G5.

You mean like USC going to Rutgers for a conference game? or BYU going to UCF? You're acting like the geographic disposition is unique to the ACC. Its not. This is all being driven by TV.

Basketball matters about as much as a popcorn fart with respect to realignment. Also, last I checked the ACC has won 7 of the last 16 men's NCAA tournaments and had 3 teams in the Elite 8 last year. Truck Stop 12 had nada.

B/c there are too many complications of limiting the sphere to 30-ish schools, not the least of which will be Congress and the mother of all antitrust lawsuits.

If you actually think that Louisville, NC State, VT, PITT, and GT are going to willingly commit financial seppuku to join an inferior Big 12 then there is no reasoning with you. The ACC isn't going anywhere b/c (thankfully) the commissioner isn't a total idiot. Sorry champ but them's the breaks.

Finally. Someone here gets it. The FSU/Clemson lawsuits are hilariously bad as proven out by a sitting judge in Tallahassee telling FSU to mediate with the ACC, in large part due to the fact that the grounds for the suit are beyond frivolous. FSU willingly entered into an agreement with the ACC/ESPN in 2014. They again, re-signed the deal with an extension through 2036 in 2017. Its tough to argue in contract law that you signed a deal twice and now you are suing b/c you don't like the outcome. its the equivalent of selling your house in 2008 during the financial crisis and then wanting to get all the accretive value increase in the subsequent years after selling. Its beyond stupid.

Oh there's no question SMU (along with several others) are not going to be in the Power 2. The point I'm making is there will still be access to a playoff system for the Big 12 and ACC "leftovers". Same will not be true for the G5.

The Boston College/SMU's of the world will still be in the mix through access to the playoff. Obviously, there is going to be a Power 2 but what's going to eventually happen is the Big 10 and SEC will shuffle off some of their lesser performing "assets" down to the ACC and Big 12 while FSU, Clemson, Kansas, and potentially UNC move up. Rutgers, Vandy, NW, and a few others will head down. The G5 will have their own division and won't be given access to the playoff, therefore necessitating they create their own.

Sigh. I don't want you to take this the wrong way but this might be most ill-informed and ignorant take on the current ACC situation I've seen yet. And that's saying something. FACTS: You need a majority of schools to vote to dissolve the conference. Well, you just added three sure-fire "NO" votes in CAL, SMU, and Stanford. Now tell me. Where are you going to find the other votes needed to dissolve the conference? Duke? Nope. WF? Nope. Miami? Nope. PITT? Nope. Louisville? Nope. Georgia Tech? Nope. Syracuse? Nope. Boston College? Nope. Notre Dame? Nope. Virginia Tech? Nope. I realize you hate SMU and that the G5 split that's coming sucks but c'mon man.

The ACC has a media rights deal that runs through 2036 with massive financial penalties to leave. ACC schools make more money per school than the Big 12. The PAC had no media deal and zero financial penalty to leave the conference. The two situations couldn't be more different. ACC schools do not want to associate themselves with the likes of WVU, Cincy, UCF, Texas Tech, OK State and the other Truck Stoppers.

Memphis academics will keep them out of any realistic ACC expansion chances. Also, UNC isn't going anywhere. NC politics gives authority to the North Carolina board of governors who are currently enacting legislation that would essentially bar any institutions from leaving the ACC. NC politics is truly one of a kind. ACC is also based in Charlotte. UVA might have some appeal to the Big 10 but they are also politically tied with VT (although to a lesser degree). USF, SDSU, and Tulane are the only G5's that have a shot.

Yeah b/c Arizona, Colorado, and Utah are not already in a bizarrely configured Big 12 where they'll be roundtripping to such lovely destinations like Lubbock TX, Manhattan KS, Morgantown WV, Cincinnati OH, and Orlando FL.

When you have 4-5 billionaires footing the bill you don't care about the ROI.

Yes. Live content is still king. All the more reason to move to playing in the spring.

SMU being given the death penalty at that time in the SWC was like being pulled over and arrested for a busted tail light and then watching six drunks drive by. It was and always will be a total joke. Cheating was rampant across the country and SMU lacked the blue blood status and became an easy target. As others have aptly stated, Baylor has dead bodies and raped students on their rap sheet. Penn State covered up child sexual abuse for decades. Lack of institutional control much?

lol. ACC isn't going anywhere. Thankfully Phillips is the anti-George Kliavkoff and expanded before the proverbial sh*t hit the fan. Media rights deal through 2036. Safe and sound.

Might be a year or two sooner but its going to cost them a FORTUNE. ACC will then use that war chest to raid the Big 12.

Clemson's suit is even flimsier than FSU's. This all about throwing red meat to their fans who desperately want into the SEC/Big 10. Too bad contracts have consequences and both FSU/Clemson signed their rights over to the ACC not once but twice (most recently in 2017). In all likelihood both will eventually work their way into the SEC/Big 10 but it'll be several years and hundreds of millions of dollars later. Nothing happening until 2029-2030 at the earliest.

I think this is inevitable but I would imagine the split is going to come with a ton of caveats. The best case (realistic) scenario for the G5 is to form their own division and play in the spring. Allow players transferring from P4 to G5 division to be granted immediate eligibility. Without having to fight the P4 for eyeballs in the fall the attention would be solely on the G5 division. How many more people will watch a North Texas game in the early April when there is zero competition? I would also be very leery of the private equity angle but its at least worth exploring. I also like the idea of regionalism in this new division. A league consisting of UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, LA Tech, UTEP, Texas State, and Arkansas State would be really fun and create easy/affordable travel. It'll take a few years to work out the details but this is where things are headed.

Correct, however the ACC filed suit against FSU in North Carolina just prior to the FSU suit in Tallahassee. Now the ACC has 120 days to mediate (which they won't) and allow the court in North Carolina to proceed which is a friendly venue. Only worse outcome for FSU would've been for the Florida judge to completely toss the FSU suit.

SMU was not even the most egregious cheater in the SWC in the 80's. The governor aspect made it more salacious but as far as being "an artform" all the boosters in the SWC did the same shenanigans. They called it internally as the OPEC Conference. B/c that's where the price of players was set. Everyone knew what was going on and everyone was turning each other in for doing exactly what they were doing themselves. Truly the wild west.

Sympathetic to the death penalty? Maybe it was the most egregious and unjustified penalty ever handed down to a university while literally everyone else in the SWC was doing the same or worse at the time. Did it do anything to curtail cheating or paying players? No. All it did was nuke SMU to the stone age and put the nail in the coffin of the SWC. Even the NCAA has admitted they had no idea just how devastating it would be to SMU. The NCAA lead on infractions thought it would maybe 5 years for SMU to recover. It took 30 years to get back to even being remotely competitive in football. Zero chance the same punishment would've been handed down to Texas, OU, Bama, UGA, etc. no matter what they did. The death penalty was a joke in 1987 and looks hilarious given where college athletics is now.