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I noticed that the Sam Houston State coach was a voter on this new poll (I guess we are ALL stuck with "mid major" from now on til eternity); but I do know SHSU does have a fine basketball team, also. (His team is also listed in the others who received consideration).

Jeff, I like the interlocked "N T" from the Mean Joe Greene era myself if your going to interlock the 2 letters. To me an interlocked N T should also be so designed as such that some novices out there don't beat themselves up trying to figure out what "T N" stands for.

Pretty bleak for UL if Southall is MIA this season.

My gig is a 9 to 6 deal every day and business is slow for this week but will pick back up real quick! Surely when we hit 500 there will be church bells, fireworks and maybe even a foreward pass from the UNT QB? GMG!

CMJ, a fellow alum called me today and said you and I were running neck and neck for this board's most post. Harry called me from his cell phone this AM and told me whoever gets to 500 first wins an expense paid trip to Hawaii on him! (Just kiddin' Harry AND CMJ) I think the Kids Korner thing in the summer gave me more posts than I needed to have. (Alright out there, no comment on that one)!

Its been a long and winding road for DeGrate to get to Denton but I am glad he finally arrived! GMG!

"Bes'ball has been veddy' good to me!" (whattisname' from the old SNL show). Where would our men's baseball team play their games?

I like the "UNT" logo (even inside the circle star "without" the blue and gold color) because it does help our fellow Texans (and beyond) finally realize that we are not "NTSyou" know what any longer?

From the cross-over of LBJ and Interstate 35 in Dallas I have made it to Denton in 35 minutes. Yes, I was breaking the speed limit by about 5 mph but that is how long it took. (And no, I wasn't running from the law)

WHAT IS NEGATIVE vs WHAT IS CONSTRUCTIVE: If my sales manager comes into our next sales meeting and tells us, "Fellas, your sales are way down and you need to to something about it now before it affects our company and (perhaps) even affects you later on as well;" would anyone out there in Mean Green Land think that is being negative? I think me personally expressing a concern of having only 12,800 fans at our 2002 home opener at Fouts was not being negative at all (if some out there think it was). Its just the lowest home opening crowd that I can ever remember witnessing since 1973 and I am concerned as hell as to why this is happening at our alma mater in the year 2002. Rick V has a good plan (IMHO) and he has raised the bar, but (among his paid troops) just who is getting out among the masses to help him carry out that plan is a major question that many of us now have. Something is just not jive-ing' on this attendance thing at UNT expecially in light of our record setting growth on campus, Denton (County's) growth and our Metroplex North Texas Exes expanding group of 100K plus. It just doesn't make sense to me at all. NOTE: Some on this board are now gravitating back to this UNT being a "commuter school" tommyrot, but hellsbells, all of our dorms are full and ALL the apartments within blocks of our campus are also full so I don't buy into that "commuter school" crapola and haven't your years for what its worth. (Some have said we have anywhere from 17K to 20K who now live on or near our campus). After having spoken to others, I know for fact I am not alone with that concern. Hell, any UNT alum who was at Fouts last weekend would have to have the same concern. Its the big picture of all this that many of us are looking at and not just the attendance at one home opening game last weekend that is our biggest concern. I thought this program (attendance-wise) had grown above having such a crowd as we had last Saturday evening, in light of the fact that most would surely know by now that home attendance averages will soon determine if we get to continue to play the UT's, the Baylors, the Texas Techs, the OU's, etc, etc, etc. 15K per game as of the Fall of 2003 will become an NCAA requirement to stay in D1-A and its just that this year (IMHO) would have been a good "dress rehearsal" for us at UNT to see how we were coming along with the criteria we MUST meet next season and last Saturday at Fouts was just not what too many of us would call a very good beginning.

I read that Texas Tech officials were keeping their fingers crossed to get up to 27,000 this Fall which would be a record for them. I think UH is who we need to pass to become the 3'rd largest in Texas. I have no idea what UH's enrollment is now. Anyone out there know for sure?

Spoke with an unnamed UNT official today and was given the above "unofficial" enrollment numbers for Fall 2002. There is always attrition between now and the 12'th day of class so if we stay over 30K, and some officials on campus think we should, we will be ahead of the enrollment pace that the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board has forecast for the University of North Texas. I would say a job well done for the entire staff at the University of North Texas! BRAVO!

I have been a supporter of Dr. Al Hurley from the "git-go" like many of you. I think he did all he could with what he had to work with beginning in the early 1980's (and the school had hardly any financial endowment in its coffers when he arrived on the scene). In fact, UNT didn't start its endowment fund raising until about 10 years before Al and Joanna Hurley arrived at UNT from the Air Force Academy. In fact, in the early 1970's, UNT's first attempts at financial emdowment fund raising among industry and its alums got off to a very shaky start and you can read about all that in Dr. James Rogers new book, The North Texas Story. I believe it is largely because of Dr. Alfred Frances Hurley that we did not drop football in the dark days of the "post Bob Tyler" era. In a sense, we are playing the UT Longhorns tonight because of some actions taken by Alfred Hurley in the early 1980's. During that time, there was a move to do away with football on our campus and I don't think the man ever received his due in salvaging a pathetic athletic situation when there was no funding for it (also because there was hardly any Presidential discretionary fund to speak of to help supplement athletics to the extent that it was needed to save the program BUT Dr. Hurley and his staff saved football anyway). He deserves more credit than he has received in this matter IMHO. I believe it is largely due to the quiet "low key" but aggressive lobbying style of "Brooklynite and New Yorker" Dr. Alfred Frances Hurley among some of our fellow loud, boisterous Texas redneck legislator "good ol' boys" down in Austin as to why TCOM is now among a group of schools under the umbrella of a school called: The University of North Texas Health Science Center at Fort Worth. (If you've never seen it, you owe yourself a favor to go see it now--its booming with growth and new construction just like its main campus in Denton)! I believe the above described characteristics of one Dr. Alfred Frances Hurley is why a group of African American south Dallas County officials and politicians led by Texas State Senator Royce West (a former UTA football player) chose UNT over Texas Tech and Texas A&M to be the school of "their" choice and to eventually be the only public university located in the city limits of Dallas, Texas. BTW, a school that once it is free standing will be called: The University of North Texas at Dallas... I believe I could go on and on about the virtues of our now Chancellor Emeritus Dr. Alfred Frances Hurley but I am most proud that I can call he and his lovely wife, Joanna, my friends. God Bless the Hurleys!

I read that FFR said at tonight's Pep Rally that is was announced that we were now the 3'rd largest school in Texas which means we surpassed the University of Houston but we would have had to had over 33,000 to do that! Did we do that this year?!?! (We will eventually but this year)?!? WOW! If we did... Of course, we still have the 12 day class sit to see how many hang in there. I hope we don't lose any because of lack of dorms or apartments.

Jeff, it was a number that came from one of this board's administrators (Cerebus) but lets see what happens after today's additions as today was the last day of enrollment. I believe those numbers will be close to accurate as they are from our usual reliable sources (unless someone on campus is pulling a few legs and that is probably not likely). After the 12 day class roll I believe (just as Cerebus posted in the football section) we will be just above 30,000 enrollment as a few students will fall thru the cracks and IMHO that will most likely be because of the lack of housing; but like Harry and I were talking today, this 30K plus enrollment is all happening much quicker than we anticipated if the figures given are even close to being accurate.

Just curious as to what recent trends at UNT would say we could expect for today (Wednesday) as the last day for students to enroll. Would anyone out there tend to think it would be less or more than 100 students who would enroll? As I said, just curiuos...

Ain't it nice to be green... HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN! WATCH OUT EVE! (inside joke) NOTE: I believe the official Fall numbers will come after the 10'th day of class as I recall.

Uh, we will still need 2 or 3K to pass UHouston who I think sets around 32 or 33,000 last time I checked (unless their main campus has lost enrollment since they have so many satellite schools down there now). The Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board has projected UNT's enrollment to be around 42,000 at the Denton campus in the next 10 years; hence a main reason present administrators are furiously shuffling around trying to prepare our alma mater and Denton for this growth. UNT President Dr. Norval Pohl in his own projections has us reaching around 45,000 plus. Any UNT enrollment in the 40's range will make us #3 with room to spare IMHO. I don't see Texas Tech ever being able to pass UNT in enrollment and that is (still) because of Lubbock's west Texas outpost location and not being in a "growing" urban center such as UNT. I still say UNT's growth will be our greatest endowment (and ally) until our school's financial endowment catches up with where it should befitting a school with our scope and size. The new engineering program will indirectly help us not only in fundraising but in gaining (dramatically) more research dollars for UNT's main campus. Like Gray (Jack Fincher) Eagle said, though, UNT is in the infant stages of endowment fundraising since we didn't officially start that until the early 1970's (if one could ever believe that). Our past "teacher' college" administrators were said to have told North Texas Exes almost up till the early 1970's to keep their money as their supposed philosophy was "if the alums send us their money they will want to start running the university." (We all know, though, what those older NT administrators said does, in fact, have some truth to their philosophy).

Dr. Phil is "Doctor" Phil because he received his Phd in Psychology from the University of North Texas...That was mentioned a couple of weeks ago in a very lengthy feature article in the Dallas Morning News. Ya' think somebody from the middle part of Tennessee may have written that article on our very visible North Texas Ex, Deep Green? The only way most of us on GMG.com ever find out about all the rich and famous who are North Texas Exes is (amazingly enough) in our annual Mean Green football media guide that has a full page spread on the subject. Our football media guide is a most informative reference book (and covers more than just football) that any North Texas Ex would be proud to have in their library.

I'm sure Harry will let us know if this is the case.

Don't think we'll see in our lifetime the state of Texas pay for more dorms; but UNT has had private investors for the last 2 (Santa Fe and Mozart Square) and that seems to be a pretty fair arrangement for all parties concerned. The only negative to privately built dorms is they never seem to include a cafeteria. Anyone heard of other privately funded dorms for UNT's future?

You mean we still have an abundance of hot girls at UNT? Are our co-eds one of UNT's Top 10 greatest natural resources?

Like FFR recently stated, I, too, am so darn jealous of all you present day UNT students! You all are in Mean Green Country at a time it is on the threshold of more growth and greatness and as students you all can make such a difference with so many things you can do on that campus to influence so many others who just need a gentle nudge, a little inspiration to become full fledged Greenbackers.

Wonder how both events turned out? Anyone who attended one or both have a report or comment?

What? They used to have one whole week of late registration after the first day of school. Is that for sure about Wednesday being the last day to enroll or is that Wednesday of the next week?