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Agree... I feel we we are all witnessing the waste of a top talent rarely seen at UNT with Super Jamario Thomas because there are few holes for him to run through.
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First of all, I believe we would all wish for DD good health and after looking at a re-run of the game last night, I almost fell out of my bed in shock when a camera first panned in on him for a close-up shot. All our prayers and good thoughts for Coach Dickey's health and thats whether he is in Denton or not. Any of us can lose a job (and some of us, perhaps, have at one time or another) but losing one's health is in a completely different part of what I think we'd agree is the really serious part of our life. .................................................................................................... Many on this board (if you are not already) should listen to GrayEagleOne and what he has to post), because he has over 5 or 6 decades of astute observations and following of Mean Green football and IMHO knows what needs to happen at the University of North Texas more than just about anyone on this board (and those presently serving or employed at our main campus as well). To those that it took the results of last night's game to come to your own personal conclusion concerning the direction of MG football I will say this: My own "Road to Damascus" experience (as I've posted B4) came after the Tulsa and La Tech games of last season. I would like to say "welcome" to some of you but I don't even like the feeling that saying that would give me because most of the last year, most of us who have chosen the method we have to not validate any semblance of the direction of NT athletics just really don't like the kinds of feelings or emotions that that has given us. It's somewhat like the same kind of feelings one might have if they were to (for whatever reason) distance themselves from his or her's own biological family. At what point would anyone ever feel good about doing that? Some of you had already made your feelings known about our direction long before I did; that is, long before I crossed that river of no-return last Fall because as some of you might recall, there was a time that I, too, supported DD and keyboarded many posts on his behalf (like many of you did up until last night). I was saying in many of those posts to just give him more time to elevate this football program. We may all have to face the cold harsh fact or realization that all of DD's contract extensions may prevent anything from happening with his job even after this season no matter what the scenario. Even if UNT leaders have to release DD from his present contract, what they will most likely have to come up with for a "buy out" may prevent us from ever getting the caliber of coach (such as the Sloan, Barnett, Neuheisel-types that I highlighted in GrayEagleOne's above post) as the kind of coach that can help a football program like UNT cut thru the non BCS/SBC/Bottom10 co-existance very fast. One alum already has contacted me only to remind me that it has taken UNT 31 years to where this football program could go from beating the University of Tennessee to losing to Middle Tennessee State University. I told him: "Thanks for that reminder." BUT...........IMO..............if there were to become an opening for the UNT head football coaching job, what many really feel we don't need to do at UNT (if at all preventable) is "NOT" hire a "project coach" with no prior experience or semblance of success at the NCAA D1-A level, preferabbly as a head football coach. If we can do as UTEP and Idaho and luck into a "name" that just happens to be available for a new job when we come to a point of needing a new hire, that would be tremendous since we lucked into such a situation in December of 1972 after SMU fired Fry the previous month with a 7 and 4 record. SMU just saw the need for a new direction of their own football program. They just did a poor job of getting someone who would give them that new direction. We all know the results of what the heavy recruting of JUCO's and project players who would "hopefully" develop now has this football program and that even more a reason that UNT just cannot afford to hire a "project" head football coach because it may take a few years to show many of our constituency that we (in deed) made yet another mistake and FWIW, fellow Exes: How many more mistakes can this non BCS/NCAA D1-A program in Denton, Texas, America, afford to make by making the wrong hire that would have the ability to elevate our football program?
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OK, I've been a critic (understatement ) of Bobby Ray but.............I (like most of you) am a UNT grad, ie, a UNT stock-holder (if you will) and have as much right to criticize what I think has happened under his watch as any of you do who would defend what his leadership has produced. I don't think a BOR chairman at UT or TAMU or Texas Tech or UH or UTEP would even hint or come close to validating and approving what Bobby Ray has as the UNT chairman with all the aforementioned athletic programs and to those who can give a serious answer--do any of you think any of that group would keep as many under .500 coaches as UNT has? Some have brought up the subject "dirt" concerning Bobby Ray? I don't think "dirt" and commenting on what kind of results we are getting with "the picture window of our university" are the same thing. To me, dirt is in some kind of other league that rarely has happened on GoMeanGreen.com because FWIW......how long is Harry Meiers and his fine group of administrators going to allow "DIRT" to stay on this board? Now some of you think all that I post is dirt because you don't agree with what I post and so be it if that is what you choose to think.................but (another FWIW) I do tend to "sensationalize" my posts concerning what has been a passion of mine for over 30 years because (quite frankly) some of our elect have been completely lulled into a deep slumber as to where they now freely accept the SBC as our new standard of excellence for UNT football (as compared to all the others in NCAA D1-A. Sticks and stones may break my bones but name-calling has in my 55 year never affected me. My great-great grandfather was one of the first appointed (by Sam Houston) Texas Rangers and it his blood who runs thru my veins so I don't cower down too damn easily to anyone (as he for sure didn't according to family tradition of which some of that is recorded in a few Texas history books). OK, enough of all that... ............................................................. Bobby Ray I've been told is an outstanding Christian and family man. Who could ever fault those traits and I, for one, as I'm sure many of you, admire those kind of traits. It is my understanding that Mr. Ray is also an extremely successful businessman which is also to be admired. As some would know by now, my main beef with Mr. Ray has been some decisions (or lack, thereof) made under his watch of which whose results have jerked out from under-neath me a 30+ year passion of mostly feeling good about being an alum at a school whose football progam had an upwardly bound direction at the NCAA's highest level (and for those who have known me for most or all those years, they would I'm sure vouch that all this has, in deed, been a passion. Bobby Ray can still be "The Man" to many if only he will make some key personnel adjustments, but that, too, is still just my opinion. Here's a toast for a much brighter future at UNT and that NT Board of Regent's chairman, one Mr. Bobby Ray will be the one who leads the way to make all that happen. Peace to all and adios...
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Why hasnt the Big 12 droped Baylor for TCU yet?
PlummMeanGreen replied to UNT_playmaker's topic in Mean Green Football
Agree, El Paso Eagle.... And start with about 3 million Texas Baptist for beginners of which most of their churches help support Baylor (or at least they did in greater numbers B4 the Baptist started bickering among each other about who was Moderate and who was Conservative and who would be in charge of all their various Baptist agencies in Texas). Baylor had the kind of success TCU is "presently" experiencing during much of the 1970's well into the 1980's while TCU was basically playing the role that Baylor is at this point in time most of that era when the Bears were successful. In fact, TCU may have played that role much longer than Baylor is in the Big 12 now. From past observation, conferences as a rule don't drop schools from their membership, but sometimes schools drop conferences for other options. TCU will be in its present conference situation for a long, long time to come and will evenually have a "down cycle" (again) with their football program. Now when the Big East did their thing with Temple U, that was for a rare situation and scenario best I recall. TCU's Coach Patterson (if he doesn't talk himself out of a better job) will eventually get a better job than TCU. Francione left $1 million a year contract in Frogland on the table to go to a truly big time program, ie, Alabama. After all, don't all NCAA D1-A employees want something better than what they have now, save the most elite schools in NCAA D1-A such as USC, UT, Notre Dame, etc, etc, etc? Even our former Coach Fry was quoted to saying he wanted to play in front of larger crowds than SMU would ever have produced and NT with its forever 15K per home game crowds & that seemedly no matter how large our constituency has grown since Fry left Denton now close to a quarter century ago). All the non-Big 12/ex Texas SWC schools are now playing the role that NORTH TEXAS did when we were upstarts trying to gain membership in the Southwest Conference back in the mid-1970's. I am sure most of that group by now must now know how we felt when we had good teams and felt a better league would suffice for the quality we had in both football and our quality of basketball back then (and that even compared to most SWC schools quality of basketball during that era). We never made the national arena in basketball success in any era at UNT. In fact, has our 18 year UNT careeer Lady's Mean Green coach ever gotten past any NCAA 1'st round with all thise years under her belt in Denton? Well, the answer is no she has not, but at today's UNT all you have to apparently do is merely be a good ol' boy bull-shipper, a good tax paying citizen and you get one of those extended contracts from ECU; you now, Extended Contract University. OK, I'll stop on that for now, but for you newbies on GMG.com, just do a little checking around with how our school now seems to operate its athletics business and then go hide all your razor blades in your bathroom.. Many of the non Big 12/ex Texas SWC schools know we would have been more than competitive versus their schools (some of the time) but it was some of that group back in the day who would still not schedule NTSU. The shoe (once again) now seems to be on the other foot with those schools as they are the ones on the outside looking in. The Good Ol' Baylor Line (their school song's title) will be in the Big 12 as long as they want to be and as long as the Big 12 stays in tact, IMHO. Now if the Big 12 one day pulls the SWC implosion bit and starts playing musical chairs and lining up new affiliations for themselves forming a new league with a different name (not likely in our lifetimes), but if that were to happen again down here in the Southwest, then all bets are off with (probably) most any of the Texas private schools that used to be in the SWC ever in the future being a part of any conference that Texas and Texas A & M are members of. -
Forget the losses - Howard has a larger plan
PlummMeanGreen replied to MeanGreen61's topic in Mean Green Football
TTG, quite frankly, it is no secret that Coach Howie does not like FAU being in the Sun Belt Conference. UCF and USF did not have to start their ascension up the NCAA D1-A ladder with the disavantage of starting out as SBC members. I think all that the reason Coach Howie was quoted couple years ago that they will try to get out of the SBC as soon as they can. IMHO and another sad thing style_emoticons/ I have to say here..................but since FAU has become a well entrenched member of the Sun Belt, there own recruiting seems to have spirraled in a downward mode. TTG, I think the "ONLY" thing that will help schools such as UNT, FAU, FIU, etc, etc, etc, have any semblance of a chance of moving up (other than top personnel) is in the building of a real bonafide (& don't cut any corners) NCAA D1-A football stadiums and just merely recruit toward those facilities that may even help said schools improve and move to new conference neighborhoods. It is the concern of many I've spoken with in recent months that even if CUSA were to suddenly have an opening for a new member, that it still wouldn't be UNT as the shoo-in but now such schools as Troy U and ULaLa who have big time non BCS football stadiums. I (as well as many others) really do think Fouts Field has killed us on more than just one occasion to better our conference neighborhood. Name Coach? What can they do? They can (most of the time) cut to the chase of instant recogntion rather than having to spend their first 5 years at a school like UNT introducing themselves to Texas HS coaches and potential Texas HS recruits. Name Coach? What can they do? They can walk into any DFW area HS with a swagger and introduce themselves as the new head football coach at the largest university this side of Austin, Texas, and "we want you to feel welcome to come up and see our new 35-40,000 seat stadium at the juncture of I35-E and I35-W." style_emoticons/ It has also been my observation thru the decades as to where I've observed many (not all) such coaches with the name ID impact to (in fact) become "impact coaches" and start delivering high profile results almost immediately after their hiring. Didn't even those good ol' Idaho Vandals set season ticket sales records the first few weeks last Winter after they hired their coach (Erickson) who does have the nationally known name ID? -
Forget the losses - Howard has a larger plan
PlummMeanGreen replied to MeanGreen61's topic in Mean Green Football
BECAUSE HOWARD SCHNELLENBERGER'S AN OLD FART NOW AND AIN'T 40'ish LIKE HE WAS WHEN HE WAS TURNING FOOTBALL PROGRAMS AROUND, PERHAPS? style_emoticons/ JUST A THEORY.....THAT'S ALL. And TTG, hate to be the one who reminds you of this sad fact, but we have yet to beat a Howard Schnellenberger-coached FAU in 2 attempts with one of the years he beat us was a year we went bowling; but as far as our getting beat by a Howie'-coache FAU would some of you want to know why that most likely happens? I will only defer to what Silver Eagle told the UNT "offensive" coord. in the stands of Fouts Field last Fall for that answer. NOTE: Had new SBC members-elect Troy U and FAU been elgible for the NO's Bowl their respective lame duck years as SBC members-in-waiting, it would have been those 2 schools down in the Big EZ over UNT and DD Ball as they both beat us in those lame duck years. So that would take yalls boy DD down to 2 bowl appearances instead of 4. style_emoticons/ TTG, I think a large portion of us want to know what trends you are apparently onto at UNT that has you (seemedly) thinking we might need to just keep on hanging onto all this? And where but but NORTH TEXAS could this kind of athletic management be pulled off (because its for damn sure not going to happen at other NCAA D1-A program that aspire being inside the Top 25 to Top 50 nor would any of their key leaders pull this kind of tommyrot on their own fans and alumnus base and then try to package it up as chicken salad that we all know isn't anywhere close to being that). So do we just continue with our present "BUSINESS AS USUAL" approach ie, with our low profile athletic program with all its varsity coaches under .500 save one? I am trying to remember any business I've ever been a part of or read about that operates any thing like UNT athletics is allowed to operate at the level of NCAA we co-exist--anyone want to enlighten many of us if that has happened anywhere else except Denton? style_emoticons/ I don't know what era your from TTG, but give yourself about 3 more decades of UNT leadership that has regularly not hired the right coaches, the right marketing people (for crissakes people, Denton County has over a half million population now) OR...............the right fundraisers who will quit going to the same people yet find fundraisers who know some of the Big Fish out there who can give such donations that might actually help us rise above ourselves? style_emoticons/ And since when is criticizing long term results of some pretty well paid state of Texas employees the same thing as name-calling(?) if that is what you were defering to in another of your posts? The posts that really make me do my Norm Hitztges style "giggle" are the ones posted by posters who apparently don't have the intelligencia to discuss a given post's subject but rather the poster and that with sophmorish' kinds of comments. Hayden Fry can only be shaking his head about why this UNT football program cannot get airborne to the level he had it going on after all these years. Of course, the politician and PR-minded Hayden Fry has to say nice things about some of our UNT sports personalities when asked by Vito'type sports reporters because what the hell else can he say about those in the same coaching fraternity that he was in? style_emoticons/ And to a couple of other posters, what the hell is wrong with re-fried beans? style_emoticons/ -
REVISED ON A MONDAY MORNING CarribbeanGreen, I hate to be the one to break this to you (so I'll do so gently) but a Mean Green football home season opening game against SMU with an entire summer to promote that game and sell tickets for it yet having this home season opener that (basically) had almost 10,000 empty seats at Fouts Field (since some of you older nestors who would know reported that there were probably onlyabout 21-22,000 real butts in seats) for the SMU/UNT game........... ..............anyway, with such a game against the mighty Mustangs of SMU (you know, that "one sided" rivalry) for a UNT home season opener with many empty seats could that jujst possibly suggest that I am not alone with my choice to show that many of us have chosen not to fill our usual seats which would IMO show too much semblance of approval for a football program whose trends only show that it dwells on the extreme low profile of SBC success; so maybe if enough do this it will show our crack staff of UNT decision-makers (who if you look at a media guide do NOT have a very good record of hiring head football coaches as it is) that maybe they have hung in there a bit too long with Darrell Dickey? What is it that UNT leaders feel it owes him? Do UNT's key male leaders think they are a raging success when they beat their own sisters in family reunion tennis matchups, too? Well, DD is no longer beating the sisters of the poor SBC much any more; except ol' 9 Lives Darrell will probaby pull out another career saving season beating a bunch of nobodies that for some stranger than hell reason, excites a hardy handful of you on this board. AND TO YOU I (and others BTW) would say this to you: You really don't know your college football now do you? Many who have painstakingly chosen to ignore what used to be many decades of a passion of ours as far as what our hopes would be to see NT football eventually make the upward journey in NCAA D1-A AND be able to swim with all the other high profile sharks (if you will) of upper echeloon football schools of NCAA D1-A. Why would any NT Ex or Mean Green fan validate low expectation and wins against schools that the national sports media basically ignore? And then why would NT leaders validate all that with those freakin' extended contracts? Many of our multi-decades of dreams for a UNT football program to emulate what many of our former Missouri Valley Conference-mates did with their own football program; that is, to just merely have a natural progression of growth as the years progressed. HELL NO! NOT AT NORTH TEXAS WOULD WE DO SUCH, THOUGH! . Also, to have a natural progression of moving up the NCAA ladder and our being able to one day actually catch up with our former fellow Missouri Valley Conference-mates such as University of Louisville (who was ranked in the Top 10 just this last week) and then you have the University of Memphis (who has a big time football stadium with big time crowds because they have big time leaders who know how to market to the masses to do such things. At UNT, we have theories on how to market Mean Green football. Look for the U of Memphis Tiger football program to leave ex MVC-mate NTSU even further behind soon enough as they will most likely vault CUSA as soon as the Big East has a possible opening). ANY OF YOU KNOW JUST WHAT ITS GOING TO TAKE TO GET CERTAIN UNT LEADERS UNDIVIDED ATTENTION? DO WE NEED A 2 X 4? I don't really know what its going to take to just basically jar some cold stark reality into our present UNT leaders as to what they hath wrought to us all and their almost being in a catatonic trance with their own (apparent) low profile acceptance of DD Ball (and under .500 varsity coaches across the board) and their obvious most stranger than hell obligation to continue their validating of all this Mean Green mediocrity with their non-stop rubber-stamping of those gol' darned contract extensions. Do present UNT leaders even have one iota of a clue as to what an upwardly mobile NCAA D1-A football program looks like, ie, what the characteristics of such a program actually are? I think Bobby Ray broke a major employer/employee relationship unwritten law that says you just don't get too chummy or close to those you might have to fire one day. Well, forget that unwritten law at UNT. According to some of you who would know, we had both the Rays and Dickey families actually taking vacations together. Well, maybe all that just hunky-dory nice for those 2 families , but for the rest of us it creates a scenario that could easily mean that as long as Bobby Ray is in charge of the BOR's at UNT-Denton, that Darrell Dickey can just about do anything short of murder and still keep his job. Is Bobby Merely Nothing But A Clueless Boob? Bobby Ray seems to be putting together a staff at UNT that has created more unrest among the troops than is the norm in Denton. His chancellor's choice LogoGate fiasco with one of Lee Jackson's committee members sending out by error an email to a GoMeanGreen.com poster that said: "We don't have to answer to anyone that is part of that group" is an example that (apparently) we have a whole new attitude of exclusives and elitism at the University of North Texas. almost SMU'esqe some might say? LOGOGATE? Well...........wonder if that LogoGate and branding commitee member realized that "those they don't have to answer to" are people just like you and me, ie, NT Exes? SO HAS BOBBY RAY LOST ALL OBJECTIVITY WHEN IT COMES TO DARRELL DICKEY? I believe he has lost objectivity because he allowed himself to get too close to a high profile UNT employee. Anyone wonder why DD never was reprimanded for those "too many" sarcastic radio comments aimed at NT Exes and our school in general? Well, one can probably start with the name Bobby Ray as to why DD could just keep on getting by with all those pathetic radio jabs at us. So is that reason that IMHO, the Chairman of the UNT Board of Regents will support Darrell Dickey no matter DD's multi-year W/L record until Mr. Ray is (finally) removed as chairman of our Board? But sue me if you wish, as for myself I just don't know any better way to show that some of us mean business with how we feel about the continuance of many on the NT athletic payroll as UNT leadership who seem just as determined to insure that their athletic staff stays in tact. Do we have a Mexican stand-off on the horizon in our future at UNT? SORRY, MR. RAY, AIN'T THROUGH YET: It is common knowledge that Lee Jackson was Bobby Ray's hand-picked man for the job of UNT Chancellor. But do we at UNT sometimes use some goofy as hell over-simplications of reasoning as to why we hire some of our leaders albeit it we sure as hell don't use our imagiation with the hiring of head football coaches. How about these simpleton theories on (perhaps) a couple of reasons we have Lee Jackson as chancellor: Former Texas state senator Lee Jackson ='s, uh..............a new UNT Law School (So just when is the ribbon cutting, folks)? Former Texas state senator, Dallas resident AND SMU alum , ie, Lee Jackson ='s, uh............. more Dallas donors to the UNT System to help raise its unbelievable anemic endowment for a school that opened in 1890. JEEZ! I'M ACTUALLY ALMOST THROUGH WITH THIS MANIFESTO: Whether a boycotting of NT football games is the right thing to do or not I don't know but I do miss some of the Game Day fellowship with many of you and I miss supporting those who would sign onto all this crap that they have no control over whatsoever. Yet its what many, many of us (and growing) have chosen to do to (in our own small way); each of our small way to show NT leaders that silence in a football stadium is not always golden AND that they need to start right now counting the cost of all their non-decision when it comes to UNT Athletics. Adios!....Going to go eat some Tex-Mex over in Weatherford with a Texas State U Ex. PS: Noticed in the TV Guide that KFWD Channel 52 will televise this Saturdays UNT/MT game.
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O BROTHER JOHN AND SISTER MARY.......ANOTHER ONE OF THESE... Who can disagree with Eagle Man? Well, anyone can disagree with him but give some valid reasons that woudn't sound like just more canned responses from such as those who get paid some pretty nice livings at UNT. Scaled down Athletic Center? Wait till they scale down the blueprints of our futuristic "some day in the sweet by and by" football stadium so they can just get the damn thing built and then be able to put that on their resume's,too, and then leave us with another pink elephant of a college football stadium in Denton because of how small it will end up being (in context to the rest of NCAA D1-A) This group over in the UNT athletic dept. literally have the best jobs in all of the NCAA (at thats at any level, sports fans). ** They pat each other on the back, apparently talk about how "easy" NT Exes are to pull the wool over our eyes and then they just keep on sending over to our BOR's more recommendations to extend their own contracts and this an athletic program with one varsity coach above .500 folks! What gives with that? UNT Athletics Today: ** They build a bunch of athletic venues buildings of which the majority (once all completed) will most likely look NCAA 1-AA-esque or worse, maybe en NCAA D-II when all is said and done. But no matter their quality or how they fit for an athletic program that (by name) is NCAA D1-A, all their completions will still look rather nice on some resume's, right? ** They have very effectively kissed the Chairman of the NT Board of Regent's arse (and thats Bobby Ray who should resign his position today because he no longer has any objectivity or unbias toward he and his family's vaction buddies, ie, Darrell Dickey and the DD family) You think Bobby Ray could fire a vacation buddy? Do you somehow feel DD could win 2 or 3 games this year and (still) the only thing Bobby Ray would think about are those 4 fabulous trips he and family had in New Orleans to watch us win 1 of 4 games? Sorry I couldn't be at any of those mid-week games, but FWIW, some of us without 2'nd incomes in our households have to work that time of year and (moreso) that time of the week at the place I worked those 4 years. ** Yet how many others have allowed those 4 bowl trips to the Big Easy for the Wright Waters/SBC/DD love-fest fool them into wanting to just keep on giving DD JUST ONE MORE YEAR to right the many wrongs created under his watch of which his present football programs trend should tell UNT leaders that its time to change the command of our sinking ship? I use the color red to symbolize our football future with DD as the head man. Yet all this "low expection" and sub. 500 efforts going on 9 years have effectively split the Mean Green Nation right down the middle and caused many fans to no longer want any kind of association with any of this as long as DD (and others) are on the UNT payroll. The SMU/UNT crowd which one of you on this board (who would know) said there were really only about 21-22,000 "real butts in seats" for that game which should only be just another in a long line of red flags for UNT officials to observe if only they would. NOTE: Hellsbells folks, we had just as many "butts in seats" for the 1990 SMU/UNT game at Fouts Field--maybe more. ** Speaking of Mr. Bobby Ray, anyone want to break the news to that man that 4 trips to the NO's Bowl is not tantamount to having a successful up and coming NCAA D1-A football program? Didn't Tulsa (this and last year), La Tech (who UNT should out-recruit with anyone as head football coach in Denton) and the Akron Zippee'doo'dahs" sorta' tell us all what our last 3-4 years recruiting efforts have spawned for the Dickey Ball gang and will for our next 3-4 years if things continue with Darrell Dickey in charge? ** More on Mr. Bobby Ray: He of NCAA D1-A intercollegiate expertise and fame and whose just keep on rubber-stamping UNT varsity coaches contracts in the most unusual management style (perhaps) in the history of NCAA D1-A, ie, the rewarding of mult-year under .500 varsity coaches? One of those extended contracts (to you who may have already forgotten) who in her 18'th year AND.............is still nowhere close to a .500 record. And is our Lady Mean Green basketball coach's career W/L record even included in her varsity program's annual media guide anymore? If so, what does it say is her 17 year W/L record at UNT? Anyone want to enlighten the rest of us on what that record is? Rick V personally recommended her extension and even seemed to gloat about it in a FW StarTelegram feature article which brings up this QUESTION? ? ? ? ? ? At the level we annually recruit, does it really matter if any our our non-BCS opposing coaches say this to a prospective recruit for UNT: "That UNT coach only has only 1 or 2 years left on his/her contract so you don't want to go there?" (AND..................FWIW..................Will thE day ever arrive when we have any long term and under .500 UNT varsity coach with only "1 or 2" years on their contracts? BACK TO BOBBY...........anyway, it was Mr. Ray whose leadership gave us ex state of Texas politician Lee Jackson and SMU Distinguished Alum. Yes in deedy, we have our Mr. (non "Dr/Phd") Lee Jackson (another SMU employee to add to our other ex SMU employee & offensive "on the radio airwaves to those who pay him" coordinator who had his UNT head football coaching job (basically) handed to him on a "KSU purple'ish" and green tarnished silver platter. And with Lee Jacskon a chancellor who will continue to insure that UNT keeps its proper place in the Metroplex as a "would be" above Tier 4 school. Anyone know when that new UNT Law School is scheduled to open? To those of us who can really still be objective and can have a change of heart on any of this; anyway, which part of any of the aforementioned is not true and if you list 1 or 2 or more that you feel aren't, then please do enlighten the rest of us as to which ones might not be true, but please do elaborate. We really are all ears and want to know that the calvary is on its way to our rescue. And on a similar subject: Who of our UNT leaders presently in charge might suggest that they have screwed up with the support and continuance of all this athletic mediocrity and would have the kajones to 'fess up that they were (in deed) wrong to support those who would lead us in our present athletic direction for much too long a period of time? We are not a state-assisted retirement center for under-achievers, folks, but (speaking of direction) that seems to be just exactly what our direction is.
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Lets keep things in perspective here..
PlummMeanGreen replied to calvin's topic in Mean Green Football
The new UNT Minister of Information's conversation with a reporter from the Denton Record/Chronicle who is actually beginning to ask tough questions for a change to NT Athletic officials, specifically, the UNT Minister of Information: DRC Reporter: "Mr. UNT Minister of Information (MOI), would it be safe to say that UNT seems to play the "low expection" co-existance role quite effectively and your fans will just about buy into anything you all dish down to them?" And to continue my questioning with you, Mr. UNT Minister of Information, your Mean Green still cannot seem to win OOC games yet (once again) your regime very successfully does a con job as it pulls the wool over many of your constituency (fans) as a real bonafide "on the rise" and successful NCAA D1-A school. ...........Mr. UNT MOI, isn't all that a bit misleading, because most of its annual football success is most always reseved for Sun Belt Conference (only) schools when your fans oscillate from...................wanting to tar and feather DD out of Denton to wanting to nominate him for a place in the College Football Hall of Fame.................. with those big SBC wins? And Mr. UNT Minister of Information, you know exactly which schools I am talking about here, ie, the(SBC) schools that all seem to all dwell toward the Bottom 10 most every years since the SBC was formed and formed with such teams that very few UNT fans hardly knew even existed the back in the day when the Mean Green beat the University of Tennessee back in 1975? UNT Minister of Information's response to a DRC reporter: "In the name of Alah-ouetta--Allah--Allah--'ouetta (insert tune).........first of all, what do you mean we have low expections at NORTH TEXAS?!?!? What would ever make you ask such a question, o ye dogs of infidel status and BTW, that Tennessee win really never happened, it was just made up by a bunch of old fart NT fans who seem to always point at that game as a barometer as to how UNT should have been pointing its football program all the past decades. Don't believe those older MG infidels--just listen to your UNT Minister of Information here because I tell the truth about the way things really are at UNT and do you know why I know why things are so really good here at UNT? IT'S BECAUSE I WORK HERE AND JUST KNOW SUCH THINGS![/b] DRC Reporter:[COLOR=gray]But Mr. UNT Minister of Information, don't the medai guides of all UNT sports programs sorta' tell the whole story and the truth of what is really happening in Mean Green Country as far as each of your varsity coaches successes (or lack of successes? "No, no, no, Mr. ill informed DRC reporter......nothing could be further from the truth and you know I am all about truth, right? 'At UNT, we aim for the moon! We aim for the stars! We have the best recruiting of all schools bar none! We build minor sports venues and then.............we put teams in them! We hire coaches and then send in their names and addresses to AARP! We are great! You know who else is is great and his name starts with an "A", but O ye infidels and non-believers of the truth who say UNT is not winning this war some of you call Dickey Ball. For one minute don't believe a word of that. DRC Reporter: But Mr. UNT Minister of Information, didn't UNT have some decades where they actually beat some real football programs that UNT fans have actually heard about? "Actually, don't believe all those old timers and NT wind-knockers who talk about their holy-caustic wins over such so called "high profile" football programsbecause all that really never happened at UNT and you know that don't you, uh, Mr. DRC Reporter?" UNT Minister of Information Continues: "So YES-ah! YES-ah! YES-ah! We are winning the war, ie, the NCAA D1-A war against all the other 118 schools with our top shelf coaches, best football stadium in the country, most unique style of athletic management we developed right here at UNT and you as a reporter should know that by the way we reward all our coaches no matter what; and also no matter how our teams perform because (say it with me slowly, Mr. DRC Reporter): WE ARE NORTH TEXAS (let's say it together again: "WE ARE NORTH TEXAS!" Actually it should be clear to all that we are climbing the NCAA D1-A football ladder quicker than any ther non BCS school because our recruiting of the last 3-4 years was the best in our history and will show all how we can beat any OOC school from any low profile conference in the USA! USA! USA!. "So don't let me hear you say again that things can be better at NORTH TEXAS because in all actuality and FWIW Mr. DRC Reporter: Things couldn't be better than they already are at UNT because look how many of our fans accept it...........AND................. accept all we give you because I'm the UNT Minister of Information and I if I say things are getting better then...........things are getting better!." : "NEXT QUESTION PLEASE............" ...................................................................... EIGHT AND FORTY-ONE -
Hmmmmmmm...... Was fishing with my late father on Bastrop Bayou near the Gulf that Fall afternoon when UH routed Tulsa and I also remember Gene Elston calling that unforgettable game (for UH fans, that is) on KPRC radio, too. Also, I remember a 3'rd or 4'th string UH Coog' named Larry Gatlin (Odessa HS and a future Country Music Hall of Famer) getting to play in that game as well. Larry G. could sure sing but Larry G. sure couldn't play college football at the NCAA Division 1 level. I think he has said as much himself. Hopefully, we don't give up 100 on Akron. Surely we will be able to keep the Zips zipped up. I'm sure our "D" will be on the field for a long time today, though. But what is so new with that? And to NT91 I agree to disagree: NCAA 1-AA would be the death of MG football since we've already been there done that for 12 long years; but how about this unique concept that may have yet to be discussed on this board : A new athletic staff across the board topped off with a new football coach which would give us all our much needed new direction and fresh start for all who are just worn to a frazzle with all this?
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Darrell Dickey's Contract - REALITY
PlummMeanGreen replied to Talon90's topic in Mean Green Football
At which point does someone in the UNT administration (or moreso), the UNT Board of Regents (after they grow the necessary gonads) will gently and mildly suggest to NT athletic officials if they are going to just keep on padding their little nest egg in Denton with extended years, that the NT community really needs to have more than just one varsity coach (with a number of years on the UNT payroll) that needs to be (at least) at .500 in wins and losses? Fellow grUNT's and troops, it just appears to me that a hardy handful of non-UNTer's on the UNT payroll are having one helluva' mild-mannered career at our expense. Could it be that they just keep on the UNT payroll because (perhaps) they've told all the higher profile programs who regularly call on them that they'd be crazy to be interested in their higher profile job offers because they have such a sweet deal in Denton, Texas, America, and really don't have to answer to anyone to boot? FWIW, we're getting tattoo'ed fellow Mean Greeners and which one of you after you have taken another long look at your latest NT football media guide to see just who we have beaten the last 8 (going on 9) years could disagree? If you like all this so be it and don't let anyone wake you from your sleep; also, to those of you who feel exclusive, just keep drinking those free beers on behalf of DD, but get ready to start saying this: "Hey, we really did have a pretty darn good crowd of around 10,000 today now didn't we?" NOTE: Notice how the attendance criteria (as far as rewards for increasing it dramatically) never seems to be part of any NT varsity coaches' contracts (unless I missed it in all the fine print). For those of us who have been on this roller coaster ride for a few decades, all this is just really the icing on the cake that someone left out in the rain. Only at NORTH TEXAS, folks, only at NORTH TEXAS............. Popular Norm Hitzghes drop on KTCK: "Someone, please..........just kill me!" -
Darrell Dickey's Contract - REALITY
PlummMeanGreen replied to Talon90's topic in Mean Green Football
"...and other terms and conditions" is an interesting part of DD's contract. Just wonder what those might be? Talon 90, thanks for the research and find on this Public Records Act state of Texas employee contract find of yours. Someone posted a thread the other day from Scottie's Voy Board from a thread posted by SUMG and his suggestion and recommendation for a "Big Time" fundraiser for our entire school (not just athletics). I believe that fundraiser had done wonders at an Ivy League, ie, Harvard? Wonder what experience level of successful fundraisers UNT even interviews when they are looking to fill that position? We seldom hire fund-rasiers at UNT who ever seem to know the real heavy hitter$ out there in the North Texas Metroplex and beyond. Many of you remember when Texas Tech hired a president who just happened to know the right people over at SBC Communications? Many of you probably also remember what SBC Communications did for Texas Tech, right? How about a $20 million cash gift from that San Antonio-based corporation which would be earmarked for use in the "remodeling and expansion" of Jones Stadium? Also.......................often wondered how many UNT alums are SBC Communiations customers as compared to Texas Tech's alumnus group? SURELY NOT THE GOOD OL' BOY SYSTEM AT WORK AGAIN @ UNT? With only $40 million in the entire UNT System endowment, I think that totoal suggests we have been very weak in the area of fundraising in Denton and because of that, has kept many of our programs (specifically athletics) barefoot and pregnant (so to speak). So just who do we hire as fundraisers at UNT, ie, those who have a prior reputation of success and have done some signifcant fundraising for a school our size, scope and alumnus count? OR................ we hire some Texas good ol' boys for such an important position at our main campus? Or do we hire friends of friends with UNT connections who need a job because they tell the best jokes at a Denton Courthouse Square eatery? Do we hire nephews/nieces of UNT administrators who having work experience as a college fundraiser will help them in future endeavors (not even related to college fund-raising)? So I suppose you get my drift? UNT athletic officials can come to the same people on this board soliciting for money till the cows come home, but most likely they will get the same results or (total$) from most on this board who have given for the last few decades, but those who now might be reluctant to do so because of Extended Contract U's most unique style of athletic management and the rewarding of those contracts to varsity coaches who it would (literally) take several more years on the UNT payroll to even reach .500. Why in Jumpin' Jehosophats name do they even have such a luxury given to them on a silver platter as they do at UNT and with none of us having never noticed such generosity from any other NCAA D1-A school who means bu$ine$$ with their athletic program? But (still) the missing ingrediant at UNT is our being able to hire fundraising talent even if it just happens to be a key UNT administrator (such as the former TTech president who just happened to know the all right people at SBC Communications) which became that $20 millioin cash cow for the Lubbock school. At UNT, don't we still have a need for our fundraisers to be able to get their feet inside the doors of downtown Dallas-Fort Worth (and beyond) corporation's board rooms to show a viable/realistic plan for athletic success at UNT and then................. to get in one check from such a corporation what it would take 10 years of total donations from our school's all time cumulative MG Club/MG Eagle Club lists of years past to raise a 1/4'th of such a Big Donation? ONCE AGAIN..........IT JUST AMAZES ME HOW $ANTA CLAU$E ONLY LOOKS AT HIS REAR VIEW MIRROR AT DENTON BUT HEADS $TRAIGHT TO LUBBOCK INSTEAD? : $20 million from a Texas-based corporation for our fellow Texas university just to merely remodel and expand their foootball stadium? What would that same amount do for UNT in helping to get our new stadium jump-started and off those (forever) UNT new stadium blueprints? DO D.D. AND NT's FOOTBALL FUTURE IN NCAA D1-A' A BIG FAVOR....RE-ASSIGN HIM LIKE UT ONCE DID WITH COACH DAVID MCWILLIAMS.... -
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PlummMeanGreen replied to pogWo4life's topic in Mean Green Football
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Memphis dismisses defensive coordinator
PlummMeanGreen replied to HawaiianGreen's topic in Mean Green Football
That scenario would have been my guess over the W/L aspects of Dunn's performance. Good performance and a good relationship with the boss goes a long ways with most in our society. Now bad performances and a good relationship with the boss by the one doing the "bad performing" and it being validated and approved after a period of time by said boss is another thing. Those kind of scenarios can eventually get under the skin of a rather formidable cross-section of any progressive school's alumnus base. -
To fellow proud NT Ex eulesseagle: I defer to TxDOT who will prevent us from doing anything with Fouts Field since that stadium's future will include a long over-due implosion ceremony that I think about 99.9% of us on GMG.com will all celebrate together. Otherwise, I think had not TxDOT entered into the equation, we would be improving Fouts Field just as you suggest. To calvin: You and I may have different opinions on just what level of high profile hire we need at UNT. A Rick Neuheisel-type hire would be such a high profile hire IMHO. AND............in all seriousness, what is it that you think DD can do at UNT now in light of the trends he has shown us the last 8 years? I admire your tenacity in supporting DD and his style or approach, but I really don't understand why you think there is a future with such a style in Denton, Texas, America, in context to the rest of NCAA D1-A. And 4 bowl games didn't seem to get him a new job, right? Well...........doesn't that alone speak volumes? As I said on UTEP: "I might be wrong" as I didn't Google up a research as I should have; but a bowl game for traditional basketball school UTEP their first year under Price should say a whole lot. Coach Price was a"high profile" hire for UTEP because Alabama saw fit to hire him never-minding all that allegedly followed after his hire by the Crimson Tide.
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Now I may have him confused with another but didn't Hal Mumme come from that big time NCAA program over in the Pelican State, ie, SE Louisiana State? And I might be wrong about this, too, but I don't recall that Coach Price of UTEP had so grand a first year in El Paso, either. Moral: What some of these coaches inherited may take more than one year to fix, although we've all seen some coaches turn some programs around "with merely a positive attitude" their first season as head football coach that got them some unexpected wins and for damn sure sold more tickets than ever. OK, here I go again: After Hayden Fry was fired from S M U in 1972 with a 7 & 4 record, he came to an NTSU football program that had had only 4 wins in 2 seasons and tied for a Missouri Valley Conference football championship his first year at NT. Granted, the SBC was no Big 10, but neither is the SBC a Big 12. either. We are in the SBC because UNT didn't take care of business the last 2 1/2 decades (which BTW wasn't DD's fault). One of you stated in another thread "why is it that Troy U can rise so quickly after just getting out of 1-AA, be in 1-A a few years and already outshine what we've done at UNT who has been back in D1-A since 1995............ ..............also that GMG.com poster sayinng "watch Troy U leave us in the 'Belt behind with probably another new conference home (and I'll add this): while we at UNT continue to justify mediocrity with some of the strangest personnel management decisions (extended you know whats) many of us have seen from any level of busines and also while slumber and sit around pondering who will build our new stadium when TxDOT comes to us and says something like this: OK, we now need that Fouts Field frontage property, UNT folks! (Notice TxDOT even uses "folks" in their communications, too.
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OK, ee of Euless....I won't with-hold this info any longer... There are at least 2 NT BOR's who I've been told most reliably who are regular lurkers of GoMeanGreen.com. (So I guess I won't be invited to any of their hot swingin' parties any time soon----DAMN!)? Anyway, you are right, though, it is that group who makes all the important decisions, but I can rest assure you and others that those on our BOR's can most likely all read (above 8'th grade level) and they sure as hell can see (empty seats) AND there are at least 2 who are probably perusing this very thread. I know of one BOR who would probably make a coaching change in the next 5 minutes if said BOR could make the decision alone. That is a start, though. You know, folks, it makes me feel sad to feel continually feel bad about what our school leadership seems to think is a "right on" direction with all this when I know from talking to non-UNT'ers that many of us are not in left field with what we think needs to happen at UNT with some of our personnel. I don't know DD or any other UNT Athletics employees enough for this to be a vendetta type of thing, either; but just what the hell is wrong with some NT Exes who think we can actually do better than #90 thru #119 and shame on you who don't think we can and keep on supporting those who will insure that that is exactly what we get. Why some of you don't state your true feelings on all this DD business is beyond me, too, because I know many of you out there and what you'v expressed to me are your true feelings on the subject. What the hell the reason for your non-expression or to make a public stand on all this is beyond me. Some of you actually think you will lose some kind of social standing at UNT if you dare express you true feelings? Pleeeezzzzzzzz You know what any semblance of social standing with a hardy handful of eggheads employed UNT and a buck will get you in the DFW Metroplex? Please don't make me answer that question.
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Cerebus, since state of Texas employees are subject to the Public Records Act, can anyone link DD's contract (and all its details) onto GMG.com? Nevertheless, just how many seasons (with all the added on or extended contracts from the last 8 years) does DD have anyway? Does anyone on campus even know or did they lose count, too? And also don't forget, DD could be re-assigned to another position on campus a la ex UT Coach David McWilliams which was done for him after the 1988 Longhorn football season. If its just $250,000 and that's all, that is better (and probably more do-able) than say the next 3 or 4 years at $250,000 per year I think most would agree. Many of us think after this season our overall ranking no matter how we do in the SBC will create within many beyond this board (who have the really big bucks in other words) who may want to pool their resources for such a buyout so UNT can get on with its future and right this collegiate football ship in a upwardly mobile direction once and for all; (assuming we will be smart enough this time around in Denton to do just like those Idaho Vandals or UTEP Miners did and hire at a higher profile which seems to be paying off for both. AND............ FWIW (for what its worth), fellow alums, do we deserve less than an Idaho or a UTEP with Mean Green football? Until UNT becomes a perennial Top 50 NCAA D1-A football program, is adding extended contracts to any of our UNT varsity coaches at the level we compete combined with the level we are annually ranked (even during the 4 bowl years) really going to affect our recruiting at (also) the level we recruit one way or the other? FWIW, if UNT means busine$$ with its NCAA D1-A football program; anyway, where there's a (Big) Wheel there is a Way to make things happen even in the area of football coaches extended contract buyouts. And a shorter post this time around?
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FWIW, I don't hate anyone who has a degree from UNT or is a Mean Green fan. I don't hate DD, but I do hate Dickey Ball. And I just don't understand his style and the way he chooses to do his public relations via the radio airwaves among other opps he would have to sew good seeds of good will. HATE? I don't hate anyone and that includes a handful who I've had a few heated posts exchanges with on this forum, either, and I actually hope they don't hate me, either, but I have no control of that. Yet...........hate? Why waste the un-neccessary energy on that particular emotion when it can be channeled into much more positive areas (as well as keep your hypertension down and chances for an ulcer to a bare minimum). HEY UNT LEADERS! TAKE YOUR TIME BUT HURRY, OK? Many of us older nestors are even getting a bit more panicky' about our concerns to see an advancement of MG football than some of young gun alums because (quite frankly) some of our group are flat out running out of time or health to make a drive to Denton on Game Day. Still what is so strange is how it only seems like yesterday that many of us were in our 20's and 30's thinking we had plenty of time to watch Mean Green football make a slow and methodical climb back to some semblance of the kind of (lets call it) mild successes of the 1970's albeit they were of a higher profile nature that got many of us hooked into Mean Green football. Such high profile successes that even helped Coach Fry get attention and draw interest from those who would eventually hire him at Iowa of the Big 10. We thought we would be able to build on top the successes of the late 60's and much of the 70's--but we didn't because we all know what our modus operendi is at UNT when it comes to our athletic program; that is, after we hit a certain plateau of success, we then go into retreat mode. It's almost uncanny how this trend continues at UNT. We were all just hoping for bigger and better things for Mean Green football as it headed to this new millineum, but an upwardly bound NT football program was just not mean't to be during those young adult years of ours, but many older nestors would most likely now agree that we would be in store for one helluva' roller coaster ride the next 2 decades with Mean Green athletics, specifically football. But..............there is still time to make happen what I feel we all want to happen no matter what era you attended North Texas. Lets just get started soon, OK? Peace to all...
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And you say kick a dead horse. UNTLifer? Isn't Dickey Ball a dead horse? Isn't drawing a smaller crowd for the 2006 SMU game compared to the 1990 NT/SMU game at Fouts Field a dead horse scenario, too? Also, lets all wait for the last home game this Fall and see just how alive DD Ball is and how many are on board with what they see as the true direction of this program, OK? FWIW and IMHO, our MG football players deserve a better future in MG Country and other schools have proven that all they have to do is tweak their personnel just a bit (or completely across the board in some cases) to insure that their scholarship football players get their better future. YET.............when the horse is dead (and I say that symbolically, of course) and no more kickin' needs to be done by myself and (BTW) others of you as well and when......................... UNT (possibly) emulates former SBC-mate and WAC member Idaho U (and I can't believe I am even having to say those words for crissakes' ) or even if UNT were to pull a UTEP-type hire in Denton, ie, such as our going out and getting a Rick Neuheisel-type hire (don't laugh, we've done it before) then I will know the horse is dead and NT officials really mean bu$ine$$ in Denton; also, that they see the need for a new direction that will unify (rather than divide) ......then off go the Noconas from this poster's feet. If any of you regulars keep on reading these epistles (and its been hinted to me that quite a few actually do) then you very well may get frustated, but it is really not you who I intend to post these for in the first place since yall all kind of know where I stand on most any subject that concerns UNT. In the same vein, I think it's also safe to say that I sorta' know where most of you stand, too. But since other posters have been known to repeat their themes thru the years, too, I hardly feel alone; but (again) my main focus for these posts are for the new lurkers or new readers from outside this board. Some of that group who very well may be reading these for the first time from their campus computers truth be known. Also, such posts mean't for those who (from what I've been told most reliably) have GoMeanGreen.com monitored by a staff member so that they know what the pulse of GMG.com posters is, which many may admit is a pretty fair barometer of of a cross-section of the Mean Green Nation. And so................I presume what I really have intentions of doing as first of all, an NT graduate and then secondly a 32 year follower of all this is to simply let those who are responsible for rubber-stamping all those extended coaches contracts that many of us truly want to know on what basis they felt the need to do such? And these extended contract which now has our school in a bit of a financial pickle; that is, because of those who got rewarded with way under .500 W/L records may very well delay our getting on with our athletic future and letting those who may need to be elsewhere get on with theirs. Nevertheless, I feel it important that those who would do the rubber-stamping need to realize that many of us out here really do know the difference between chicken salad and chicken shi& when it comes to the real direction of a college athletic program, specifically football. .......................................................................... So in closing.......(YES!) after I post one of these marathons and edit most of my spelling and grammatical errors best I can (and of course, those non-stop color codings) ; even I don't want to take the time to read one of these in its entirety. But good gosh! You know how long it takes to type one of those muthas' in the first place? OK, I will try to work on brevity from now on-----promise.
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Then we're even...........many of our heads will explode if DD Ball is forced on us too much longer. calvin, just go ahead and keep on supporting your boy if that gives you the warm fuzzies about our school's present, uh, status, we'll all understand (I think). Have A Nice Day...
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Sorry, Harry, a shameless bump for a thread (not just this manifesto) that some from our main campus (as well as a few off campus who are not registered GMG.com members) still need to read this thread in its entirety. You'd be surprised who reads GoMeanGreen.com, folks, I mean you'd really be surprised. The American Revolution was not begun by many of our ancestors who sat around praising the King of England while he was putting them in debtors prison at the same time. Think about it......
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Hey Bill good buddy, I hate to be the one who breaks this bit of news to you (unless FFR beat me to it) but guess what? Well...........,uh, we are now "older nestors." I concur with your theory 100%. I've read every book (all 2 of them) by Dr. Rogers on North Texas, thru the decades I have spoken to some much older NT nestors than us Baby Boomers about our past history and even had a drink or 2 or 3 with our own Abner Haynes, the late, great Ron Shanklin, etc, etc, etc, talking about this very subject. ......but what Abner told me one day over in Fort Worth what a former NT regent told him was this: "North Texas should have started making its dramatic upgrades toward the real Big Time after we went to the Sun Bowl in 1959," but as we all know our trend at UNT (which we really need to eventually start learning from so that we don't repeat the bad ones)........... .............anyway, once we hit a certain plateau at NT, ie, the Sun Bowl, the Mean Joe Greene era with all our NFL draft choices from those team & a near win over Frank Broyles Arkansas Razorbacks the year B4 they played DKR's Texas Longhorns in the "Game of the Century;" then the Hayden Fry era when our school officials should have had much more vision for the future (which our leaders seem to never have when it comes to advancing NT athletics); anyway, it is our history to make an impressive big step forward, then go about 2 or 3 big steps backwards. My #1 problem (and only problem) with Coach Fry was how we kept using Texas Stadium as our Big Time Games "ace in the hole" instead of Hayden (who could sell a comb to a bald-headed man) going out in the Metroplex with all the high rollers he knew whereas he could have been raising monies to build us a new on-campus football stadium in Denton, Texas, America, because we needed a new football stadium as much back then as we do here in 2006. Coach Fry received his first NT pay check 33 years ago, folks. Back during the Fry era, NT had about 17,000 students, Denton had about 39,000 population and Denton County in the Texas Almanac was considered a rural county with a populatioin of 99,000. Well................with all the growth we've had since Fry left for the Big 10 and not seeing many more new faces at Fouts, one has to wonder what the hell we doing wrong up there at the Top of the Golden Triangle? I think NT leadership hiring "projects" instead of proven performers who would advance our athletic program has been a problem. With those non-stop hires giving us a roller coaster ride with the Mean Green athletic program which included 12 years being classified as a NCAA D1-AA school has been major barriers for us to overcome. But FWIW.............I think growth is the biggest endowment UNT has since we know our monetary endowment in the UNT System is very sub-par; but guess what, who we have hired as our fundraisers in the modern era of NCAA has been as much a problem as all the "project' coaches and ancellery athletic staff types we used to see come and go after they produced for us very nominal athletic programs. Many are amazed (or confused or maybe moreso.............. pissed) as to why those who are on our present athletic staff and therefore, part of the problem with our continued bottom of the barrell annual rankings in most our varsity sports programs as D1-A level athletic program; anyway, whyy do they get to hang around on the UNT payroll as long as they have. And on that sujbect, quite frankly, who is bull-shitting who the most with all that? We are not a normal NCAA D1-A athletic operation in Denton, folks, and upper echelon NT leaders ought to be ashamed of themselves for rubber-stamping every aspect of this program. Hell, they rubber-stamped a women's BB coach for her 18'th year where our NT athletic spinmasters have stopped putting her overall W/L record in her program's media guide from what one of you told me.. AT UNT.........we are building new facilities that some of you are ready to name after 1 or 2 present NT officials, but some of our elect seem to forget that these are athletic facilities that have to built for UNT for us to even stay in the inter-collegiate athletic business at the level our leaders say they want to continue in. Many think a fresh new start for all concerned (even most on the NT athletic payroll whereas a fresh start would most likely even benefit them) would be the beginning of our alma mater's athletic program getting back on track to the status we should have been long ago. Persevering mediocrity with those responsible for it is not the answer in Denton, Texas, America. What part of all this is rocket science or so difficult to understand for our upper echelon of NT leaders whereas they just keep on hanging on to all this as if they were seeing trends of an up and coming athletic program (which rankings among the rest of NCAA D1-A the last 8 years suggest we're not)? We Can Do Better @ UNT (because we have done better at a level that made us all proud)
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Anyone ever observe in past Dallas Morning News feature stories how many of the mega-churches in Texas and DFW build their new worship centers to seat much more than what their present memberships are? Well, doesn't take a rocket science to understand that these mega-churches build with an expectation that there will be dramatic growth in the neighborhoods in which they construct their new, large and modern facilties. According to Dr. James Rogers book "The Story of North Texas" he mentions in one of the chapters in his book how some officials on the our campus actually thought a 10,000 seat Super Pit was really too large for 14,000 enrollment NTSU. That group wanted to build a Super Pit that would seat about 6,000. Well, if that group of small time thinkers on our campus had gotten their way, UNT would have never hosted 3 NCAA Regionals; there would have never been 10,700 show up for an SMU/UNT game back in the mid-1970's and there probably would have been very much difficulty in scheduling Top 10 ranked De Paul and Mark Aguire, Abe Lemmon's UT Longhorns basketbal team and other similar basketball programs to come play in a brand new shoe-box gym that would have seated only about 1,500 more seats than what the Men's Gym capacity was. Thankfully, progressive thinkers on our campus back then got their way as far as the seating capacity of the Super Pit was concerned. At UNT, we have those on campus who have successfully gotten so many to of our elect to think "small time" and start acting like this is the Denton of 50 years ago and we really don't need to get too out of hand with our projected new football stadium; you know, exactly like those on our campus who wanted a 6,000 seat Super Pit? If we were to only build a 30,000 seat football stadium we would most likely box in our football program to not have a chance to emulate schools like Louisville, we would "box in" future UNT students and MG fans into another generation or 2 of (basically) what we are getting now with a 30,500 seat Fouts Field. If we build a small football stadium with all the continued & expected growth for UNT, Denton and Denton County, we would (once again) be showing our short-sightedness and we could kiss off any real opportunities to get UT, TAMU, OU and other Top 25 schools into Denton. What would the selling of 15,000 extra seats in a 45,000 seat football stadium (compared to a 30,000 seat venue) gain for our UNT athletic budget? How about those extra 15,000 wearing burn't orange, maroon/white, crimson/cream, red/black or whatever; anyway, what would such additonal ticket sales do for UNT? Perhaps, provide enough revenue in one OOC game that would would finance one of our minor varsity sports for one academic year? TCU was able to host OU a few years because they had a large enough stadium to be able to pull off such a schedule with the Sooners. How many of you think OU would come to a brand spanking new 30,000 seat stadium over at Eagle Point Campus? If we build this new stadium (and I guess the TxDOT's need for I-35 frontage property adjacent to Fouts Field will force us to do so); anyway, build a new stadium acting like we will actually meet the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board's projected future enrollment at UNT of approximately 41-43,000 students.
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No, Phil, not nearly enough words, "phrases with quotations", repetitious paragraphs, endless chapters, an epilogue, even who you would dedicate your post, uh, I mean your book once finished (if ever finished) and OH.................almost forgot this; also not enough........... C O L O R !] (Although, you do show promise with your large green lettering coupled with your red tinted paragraphs). GOING BACK TO HOUSTON (and speaking of colors) (lyrics sung by Dean Martin) I was never so upset in the sports department part of my life when my Houston Astros left their rainbow colored jerseys of the 1980's behind for the boring stuff, ie, traditional unis'? BUT LIKE I SAID, PHIL AKA DEEP GREEN, NOT NEARLY LONG ENUF' SO HERE GOES! Seriously DG, I am also becoming an old NT Ex fart and to you young gun alums please do lend us your ear for just a second (or two): When many of us who followed all this were in our 30's (with many of us now in our 50's, 60's on up); anyway, even when we were in our 30's we were still discussing (too) many of these same themes that we are today with our seeing so little upwardly bound direction even back then for our school's athletic program's, ie, a school who has just as much right to be side by side along such schools as Louisville (a former Missouri Valley Conference mate of UNT's). But like meanrob said in his post, we will not do this overnight at UNT but we sure do need to get started doing things differently than what we are doing now. BUT THERE REALLY SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT GOING ON NOW THAN I CAN EVER REMEMBER AND THAT IS:: ............there is an obvious growing army of "true green" alums just like those who have posted on this thread and most of you who are reading it; anyway, many of you who had previously hesitated to question any aspects of this athletic program lack of a higher profile success (for whatever reason) are now asking the same questions many of us have been asking for awhile now). That is, those who aspire higher rankings for our school in the elite grouping of schools across the USA we compete, this is what some might call progress. The American Revolution didn't start with people who were constantly glad-handing the King of England for giving them such a quality of life while putting some of them in debtor's prison. BUT FINALLY............I, TOO, SAW THE LIGHT! I was a late-comer with all this, too, as my own lights on our program's direction finally turned on to full bright after losses to Tulsa and La Tech last year because as some of you know, B4 those 2 losses I was gritting my teeth and trying to be a good little NT Ex, keep my mouth shut and just "not rock the boat" and support Dickey Ball. Also, I was trying at the same time to even support some of the strangest athletic management style and hanging on to deadwood personnel (possibly) in the history of NCAA D1-A. BUT.......................why NT leaders seemedly don't want to attack all these "obvious to all" problems at the part of our university of which most college administrators at any NCAA D1 school calls "our school's picture window" for all to see and judge us by (in many cases). Also, why not a sense of urgency from our present leaders when surely they can see the trend we are presently stuck in; so why is their answer to that to do absolutely nothing as far as making all the necessary changes that will lead UNT to a higher profile athletic co-existance while at the same time raising our varsity athletic's stock among all our approx. 140,00 world-wide NT Exes. After all, other than our present UNT students, aren't NT alums, ie, NT Exes the ones that they should sorta' be concerned with, that is, how we as a collective group feel about our alma mater and its athletic program's direction? How can they "with a straight face" ask NT Exes to support something that is an embarrassment and would be at any other Texas D1-A school (except for one we could all assume and that one mainly being us). How long would any of our fellow Texas D1-A schools with the leadership they have hang in with such mediocrity? So once again...........aren't we the largest constituency of the entire UNT community that our upper echelon NT leadership needs to assure by not only just words (which are a dime-a-dozen), but also by their actions that they are doing things not to just fit their own agendas and to dress up their resume's, but to make it where our very large group collectively get so happy with a new upwardly bound D1-A direction that pocketbooks re-appear and others increase what they give now?