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I'm going to look up in my files Abner's home phone number and give (who the late, great Ron Shanklin used to jokingly call "Father Time") a little phone call on this one! Abner had a son who briefly played at UNT back during the early 80's. PS: Does this mean we need to recruit Doak Walker's great grandson now?

None of the above attrocitities were hardly approved or sanctioned by the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Jeez, we're all snowed in today, wonder what that will mean for this thread? I don't have the rainbow colored frizzy hair like the one who showed up for years at all those NFL stadiums showing this Bible verse on all his various man-made signs but: John 3:16 (One of Coach Tom Landry's favorite Bible versus which sizes up the mission of the Gospel in just a few words). PS: Jesus is not a white man's God, either; seems Jesus was probably a shade closer to black than white as some historians have said.

New Coach Tulsa Coach Todd Graham: Now boys, we want you to be part of our Golden Hurricane football program 3-4 more years than I was the head football coach at Rice! :

Wouldn't DD's last 3 weeks of antics as MG HFC suggest that anything just might be possible? Negative recruiting was never an effective kind of recruiting the 25 years I spent in the tech school recruiting business, and I'd bet most Texas HS football recruits would be smart enough not to fall for some of the Coach Negative Ned's antics out there with recruiters whose talents are just good enough to only put down another school while they are not smart enough to praise their very own employer they are now recruiting for? But who knows, maybe they have the toughest job in the NCAA because they now recruit there, too?

3 guesses and the first 2 don't count? I guess "24's" very dramatic ending and those who were involved with the shady part of that ending may have had something to do with some of this? America needs to get the Wheaties back out and get its stomach back for a pretty big fight we now have on our hands (no matter what the Pelusi crowd would have all the "peace-niks" believe). I really don't like the vibes I get with that lady, but of course, she probably wouldn't like the vibes she'd get from me, either! Oh well...................DD followers didn't like the vibes they got from a whole bunch of us on this board, either, and we only turned out to be pretty right on with our assessments of where his program was headed; but of course, most any alum from any other NCAA D1-A football program would have figured all that out even sooner than I it took me; hellsbells, I gave DD 7 years out of 9 till I (in deed) saw the proverbial light.

A FRIENDLY REPLY TO UNT_PLAYMAKER... For those who don't like strong opinion or politics (and for heaven's sake) religious discussion, American Idol is presently on the boob tube-----go enjoy that (as I am) while I post. UNT-playmaker... Do you remember the story of Noah when he built a very large boat and people (who would soon be swimming for their lives) taunted and made fun of good ol' Noah for the reasons he was building that boat (and with some of his detractors just because they just enjoyed being part of something that was "anti-whatever?" First of all, I am not one who says all the good law-abiding Moslems in the USA should be getting on the next slow boat back to their native country. Hellbells! Next thing you know, some may want me heading back to England/Ireland! Jesus Christ (of whom many of us adhere to His Teachings) even beckons us to pray for them (and not in a pious sort of way, either) and for sure to never consider physical harm to them as well. You and I obviously come from 2 different backgrounds. Mine is one that is pretty typical for the southern U.S. Bible Belt. This will hack off some readers even on GMG.com because (#1) I have the gonads to expressa few less than milk-toast strength opinons (gospel or no gospel) and that makes many people tense, especially 2 or 3 of you who have made me personna non-grata because of my strong opinion of a recent Darrell Dickey-led football program (as well as NT Athletics, in general); but with the DD Ball part of all this which many of us actually proved to be more than just a little bit correct with our assessments of that; but as far as a few of my MG friends are concerned who (strangely) want even return phone calls made in the past, my take on that is: You can't really lose what you probaby never had in the first place, ie, most likely a very shallow friendship? OH GOD! JESUS CHRIST?!? Yet the name Jesus Christ has divided many rooms before so this won't be the first or last time for that to happen. I think you and I could agree that the name Jesus Christ has divided some countries, too, so what's new with that? In fact, Billy Graham's own son (Franklin) said another reason he had no problem believing that Jesus Christ truly was was who he said he was (other than all the obvious reasons) was because of the reaction that even bringing up the name Jesus produces. Even some on this GoMeanGreen.com don't want to hear the name of Jesus Christ because what he teachers is a lifestyle of moral discipline that some on GMG.com would never want to adhere bow down to, so they will get back to those of us who at least try to do all that by doing a little verbal persecution of their own. I am probably (as one of the Bible's most famous Apostles said) am one of the chiefest of sinners myself, but I didn't join His Movement at a young age thinking it was going to make me perfect, either. My life has not been a Nirvana co-existance either as I have been fighting depression since November of 1986. Its not been a Sunday School picnic so to speak, but many have their own crosses to bear worse than mine (although sometimes I don't know what could be worse than depression). Yet no where did any post I've posted or read from any other posters say we should round all Amercian Moslems up like we did the Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor and put them in interment(?) camps. In fact, Jesus Christ said we should pray for non-Believers, our enemies (which can be someone we work with at the office). Yet...................anyone who doesn't think those who flew into the World Trade Center praising Allah were our 'buds might need to take a good old fashioned "What Kind of Freedoms Did Our Fore-Father's Really Have In Mind" reality check and might want to consider the fact that there are cells (sects) of Moslems living on our soil who if you got them to really tell you how they really felt about "The Land of the Free" and those of us who cherish it, really feel about all of us. UNT_playmaker, there are some out there among Islam who cannot wait to be the ones who detonates the first dirty nucluear bomb to take our you and your family; me and my family, too. I guess I need to brush up on the Koran, but I do believe from recent events from an American converted to Islam who beckoned all of us to convert to Islam? Why was that, UNT_playmaker? Do you know. How about the fact that the Koran says (and I paraphrase) "give them a chance to convert to Islam and if they chose not to, then what does their religion say to do what with the Infidel, UNT_playmaker? Do the tell the Amerian infidel: "Awe, shucks, that Allah those guys praising as the flew into the WTC is the same God you all worship, too? OR........ "we have just been pulling all your Chrisitan legs all the time with all this "you really need to convert over to Islam or else? No where has it been posted that all Amercan Moslems are guilty, either, if that had been the case, they wouldn't get to call their adopted America home. Yet FWIW, the ones who flew those jets into the World Trade Center's 2 Twins had meshed themselves right into the fabric of American life; that is, they blended in with traditional Americans (you know, the ones who sorta' look like the ones that are still on all our U.S. paper currency)? So how do we know which ones is and how do we know which ones isn't? A sad fact of all this going on today is how too many young Americans (like too many of their Baby Boomer parents) have no stomach anymore to face up to what is going on around them or to even fight any of this anymore; that is, what is going on in the Middle East and what is going on in our own country. When Americans continue to water down what we built this country on, then might as well just all lay down and say: YALL COME! WE'RE ALL YOURS FOR THE TAKING! BUT BEFORE YOU CUT OUR KIDS HEADS OFF, REMEMBER HOW NICE WE WERE TO LET YOU BE OUR GOOD NEIGHBORS? (That one will hack off some on this board, too, but some need to get hacked off). The Greatest Generation, ie, our WWII parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc, etc, etc, in the USA had the stomach to take care of business when the business of Adolph Hitler needed to be tended to. They couldn't sit around and discuss how unpopular going over to Germany to kick the Nazi's respective arses would make us Americans, either. They just simply went over there and did it! (With the help of our vallient allies, of course). And UNT_Playmaker, it might discourage you to know that I am hardly alone with how I feel about all this. There are millions who attend our churches on Sunday (in spite of what the liberal press would like most to believe) and most of those millioins who actually believe the Holy Bible to be the inspired Word of God beginning with Genisis all the way thru Revelation. As you might guess, I would be one of those, too. I know many on GMG.com who are also part of this Following, but they wouldn't get involved in a discussion as this if their next pay check depended on it much like they didn't want to get involved with all the DD Ball business, especially when all that reared its ugly head his last 3 weeks as the UNT coach Yet, last night's episode of 24 even had the national talk radio folks (of which the Democrats would love to silence BTW because it exposes all of them for what they are) buzzing all day long with many concerned Americans whose concerns rang from sea to shining sea about Islam. Remember what one of the Japanese admirals on the ship waiting for their planes to fly back to that ship after their surprise attack on Pearl Harbor said: "I'm afraid we've merely awakend a sleeping giant?" Well.............the giant in this country has started to wake up and trying to make religion plurastic is not what most American evangelicals are about. We believe Jesus is God (one of the Holy Trinity) and Moslems only think of him as merely a prophet. Maybe you should be reading your Bible rather than the Koran and get more excited about the Truth, the Whole Truth and nothing but the Truth? The Book of Revelation (and BTW, there has never been a book in the Bible called, uh, "Revelations)) will tell all of those who dare read it how all this will turn out in the end and those who aren't true Believers but rather chose one of hundreds of "man-made" religions in their quest to reach Who has been there all the time without needing their man-made help to reach Him will not be getting however many virgins that they hope they will get for their eternity. Not sure why virgins (with the sexual implications that would follow all that) would even figure in to anyone's theological man-made eternity as it is; that is, unless someone with a pretty big imagaination (Mohammed?) might have had some pretty carnal desires of his own. I wholeheartedly concur with what Billy Graham's son, ie, William Franklin Graham said about the prophet Mohammed, and so would millions of other Christian Americans. We will not apologize for our convictions, either, just like the devils who praised Allah as they flew 2 American Airlines into the WTC did not apologize for theirs, either. GOD HAS BLESSED AMERICA FOR A REASON! (Those who support Israel will be blessed--those who don't will not). uh, GMG!

You've said it all, Got5onit. Also, we should keep in mind how TD's predeccessors had all but abandoned DFW high schools in the recruiting wars for whatever reasons that could have ever been. BETTER YET: Todd Dodge has re-created interest from long lost fans of many years ago with a program that had (basically) turned sour (as well as one that had become a public relation's train wreck) and all the positive things the AD's hiring of TD and staff hath wrought (which may be turn out to be even bigger than this first recruiting class). I have my prozac moments of frustrations because of my personal belief that our alma mater has mucked up our athletic program for most of my adult life (and that still pisses me off quite frankly), but I cannot be more excited about MG football now and haven't felt so good about the future of it since SMU fired Fry and we hired him!

Lets give the new coaches time to unpack their boxes of office gear, gang. Most of us on this board give anyone a (more than) fair enough time to make it happen with their jobs at UNT; in fact, probably much more time than most get out here in the real (less paid in most cases) "civilian" world (if you will). I think most on this board and beyond are doing the same with Todd Dodge. LEST WE ALREADY FORGOT? I couldn't find the post so I could re-post it here but remember the poster who posted how surprisingly few "Rivals blessed with many stars" recruits Boise State had 4 or 5 years ago who all just led the team that made the BCS Championship Series that beat an Oklahoma Sooner team (that would have been a Top 10 school probably playing for a NC had they not been screwed by the officials in Oregon)? Proceed with your good recruiting class, Coach Dodge and Assistants! We Are Already Proud of All of You!

Now ASU wants in CUSA, too? This CUSA love-fest among SBC'ers is (almost) becoming too funny. We have a history with SMU that says (because of that history) that the Hilltop crowd (not the ones from Kentucky) most likely would ever sponsor or support us with a vote for entry into CUSA. I would say "never" support us but they say never say never although with this subject I think it would be a safe bet. We have NT alums who seem to have forgotten that history for whatever reason. (Of course, some of that group could have been "slept-walked" thru another year or 2 or 3 or 9 with DD Ball and would have said absolutely nothing about it to NT officials and for darn sure not on this board, too, while at the same time doing the "Roman mob" version of the Cotton-Eyed Joe and be hacked off with those others of us who thought 9 years with a 42 and 62 W/L was a bit much to accept. Hey, folks, have some of you already forgotten all this "we beat them (CUSA) more times than they beat us this season" posts of the last few weeks? Some Reasons For UNT To Forget CUSA (and emmitt-01, this "IS" as close to gospel as I will ever get so get your next very clever, well crafted & thought-provoking post ready to respond if you have the time). THE REASONS NOT TO GET YOUR UNDIES IN A WAD WITH ALL THIS CUSA BUSINESS: 1 UNT officials really don't seem to be interested. I mean come on now, does it ever make the MGR or Barber Shop Talk as a hot item? But who knows, maybe this is another one of those "stealth" things left behind by DD? 2 There are 4 schools from Texas in CUSA and "5" might be a Lone Star State crowd; and although UNT could command more DFW TV ratings with the Nielsen folks, SMU has pulled the wool over the Irving-based CUSA crowd and (apparently) told them that people flock to their TV's anytime the red and blue tee it up or when they invoke the name of "Doak Walker." 3 SMU (although I'm sure they now simply adore us all) will never (whoops, I said "never") vote for UNT to get in (even if we soon pull another Boise St/BCS Bowl thing); in fact, such a bowl appearance as that would put the nail in the coffin for our ever getting their vote. Does that make any sense? No, it doesn't, but SMU hasn't made much $ense with D1-A athletics probably since Hayden Fry left their school. They DO NOT want a rivalry with and they do not want to call UNT a rivalry, folks, so put that in all your pipes, light it up and enjoy the smoke. Bloom Where Planted For Now? (But build the new stadium and then lets talk more on the above subject if we'd still be interested in that league)

.......................................................... Don't Read This Post: I've Been Iced In All Day & I've Got No Sunshine On A Cloudy Day. (OK, I fore-warned you who read this). You know, the part that frustates me (and has for decades as an NT alum) is why every other school (Troy U recently & for starters?) can "gitter' done"while we go bazonkas at NT over a jumbotron being built in the south endzone and get ready to crown the one who got most of the pocket change for that project as Rick V's successor? We settle for so little at UNT and rarely question those who have delivered all that , that is, uh, so "little." For instance, dare anyone look at the W/L records over the last 10 years of all UNT varsity sports teams and then wonder why most of the MG Nation hasn't demanded from top UNT officials a complete cleaning of the house as to give us a fresh start with some new ideas that might work among more than just 15,000 per home game? You know why that doesn't happen in Denton? Because we have some smooth talkers up there and good beer buddies up there (among other things), that's why. And they have wondered why out of 5.7 million population in DFW we have had a staff who could still only excite most of 15,000 per home game? And then some of that group probably all just got pay raises for our annual Bottom 25 co-existance ? And now some of this very same veteran group will all jump on the Todd Dodge Bandwagon to buy themselves even more time in Denton to tell us how lucky we are to have them at our alma mater? Pretty cushy deal for some up there you might say, eh? And now you also have the Dallas Cowboys building a billion dollar stadium over in Arlington and even in this weeks sports news, you have the soccer phenom who just signed a quarter of a "freakin" billion dollar contract to play for the Los Angeles team, but here we are at UNT, our dear ol' alma mater located in one of America's Fortune 500 meccas that cannot find $50-60 million? Hellsbells! The Texas Rangers would pay that much for a good starting pitcher and with a 3 year contract to boot. Why is it we have allowed ourselves at UNT to be left behind in the modern sports world is one question many might ask? The Todd Dodge Era cannot happen soon enough and there are some other new eras at UNT that need to begin (probably) even sooner.

What would be even more a kick in the butt is if CUSA took over the host spot of the NO's Bowl. In today's NCAA, never say never, but maybe Waters and the SBC being headquarted in the Big Easy (and staying put after Katrina) would make that an impossibility. The Big 10 and Big 12 scenarios as an opponent would give an SBC football champion more opportunities in the final polls with a win by the SBC champion I would think and polls is what most use as a barometer of a school or conference's progress, right? As much as CUSA would be better for us, you still have the (potential) problem of 4 Texas schools in that league already and we still have SMU as our good neighbor to the south. We need to be realistic about the fact that their attitude toward UNT may not change for the next few generations because how many us have seen any change from the Hilltop crowd since the 1970's? Bloom where planted for now?

AV, how ironic (and amazing) that you would post our retro feline friend from all those Peter Sellers movies of the 60's, but I think our pink big cat friend is already under consideration (by Chancelor Lee J's crack branding team) for our med school over here in Fort Worth, ie, the UNT Health Science Center! Totally amazing.............(Do you have a deep-throat-type source or something from UNT)? You know, though, its like an older NT Ex friend of some our ours once told me: "You get some of these people up there in Denton on the state teat and we're stuck with their a&&e& (and unsolicited ideas) forever--whether they're productive or not."

Man O man, all the misinformed, misunderstood ink I get on Harry's board here, MGE; but actually, that would be.................$49.99 (cash or money orders, please)! Send in that money now: IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (and mine, too). But yes (in deedy), MGE, my own math has already been questioned by one of our young gun "whipper-snapper" alums (which was what I was called at a similar age); but lets not let this get out of hand and become epidural. PS Welcome back, GGII, I see you're reading all this lagniape, but where the heck you been?

And what in the wide world of sports is wrong with my math, emmitt10, O Ye of Young Gun Alums fame? I merely post opinions and my .02, just like you and everyone else and to even think anyone (apparently) was even considering taking anything I posted as "gospel" is even making me feel a bit more religious. a bit more pious yet still sorta' makes me blush as to prove my small Texas town inherited modesty. (You don't know me well enough to know I'm being as facetious as hell with all this, too--gospel or no gospel). And E01, you also hardly know me at all to understand that this NT alum is ready to see his alma mater shit or get off the pot for what it feels its real role is at the NCAA D1-A level (and especially for MG basketball which has not been a revenue producer for decades). We have many multi-year staff members who have been getting paid pretty nicely to mostly deliver to all of us what has (basically) been an NCAA 1-AA-type athletic program which (for the most part) has been disguised as one that is NCAA D1-A. The hiring of Todd Dodge is the biggest step we've made toward changing our football program's (upwardly bound) direction and fortunes for awhile. And having a hire that has received such universal acceptance from most of the MG Nation is nothing to take for granted (as we know by all the divesity shown on GMG.com). We haven't had a football program that had a team worthy of national rankings for over 25 years now. We (also) all have our hopes that Coach Dodge will create the kind of excitment that will get us out of this annual 15K per home game hole we've been in forever and help us become the next Boise State-type of football program. Many also hope all the excitement of TD's hire catches on with all our other varsity programs, too, because (FWIW) I think it really needs to catch on for that group at this point in time. Here's ya' some math (and I hope I don't screw it up because I do have a caculator here). : True bonfide D1-A employees @ UNT + D1-A goals & all NT athletics staff member's new outside their usual box efforts ='s something similar to what we just saw Boise State accomplish. Just my .02 again and now back to Graham and Tulsa...

UNT must be the official home of "Branding Experts United" or something. Jeez! Is that the only thing that gets these people excited? Sometimes wish they would exert as much energy and efforts as they do with branding ideas for the UNT System but rather channel all that into major fundraising efforts to pay for all their, uh, "neat" ideas. Are we still sitting on $45-50 million for our system endowment? If so, that means not much effort has been exhibited last time we knew that was our totals.

Danish42, I wouldn't go as far as saying there are "no loyalties" out there, but I do think there are fewer loyalties in this era of college football. I think Todd Dodge will always be grateful to UNT that it was our school who gave him his first college gig which might create some semblance of loyalty, but UNT needs to just keep TCB or as Elvis and his former Memphis Mafia big motto was "taking care of business" that will make his UNT job worth staying for. I think we all know what some of those things can be that will create such a scenario and we will all be a very big part of this, too. NOTE: Could this 2007 MG football campaign actually be the breakthrough season that we finally leave all these 15K per home game averages behind forever and warp speed up to 25-30,000 per home game averages like (especially in light of our enormous constituency) we should already be? BUT STILL...........all the stars and coaching scenarios elsewhere (somewhat) have to be aligned for schools in the bottom half of NCAA D1-A (is that better than saying "non-BCS" or "mid-majors") to be able to hang onto a coach that they (in deed) want to hang onto. Do we need to hope Mack Brown stays at UT another 10 years if some rumors we've heard are true? That is what I mean by those stars have to be in right alignment (although I don't really believe in astrology) for things to remain as they are on coaching staffs across NCAA D1-A. We've all seen how domino effects can affect us all at the NCAA's top level. Rice U did try to hire Todd Dodge last year and he turned the Owls down. Sorta' ironic, but Rice U also tried to hire Fry after his big 1975 Mean Green football season (his 3'rd year in Denton) when that season was capped off by our Mean Green's big University of Tennessee win. Fry came back to Denton after a whirlwind plane trip down to Houston to visit with Rice officials saying: "I've got a better job at UNT." (Keep in mind, this was when the SWC was still in tact). My take on all this is that we just enjoy the time we do have with Todd Dodge on our staff because anyone can "what if" all this till the cows come home. "What if" Todd Dodge plays a very big part in helping our campus fundraisers identify our Big Donor who under-writes most (or all) our new football stadium out at the Mean Green Village? "What if" Coach Todd Dodge makes our UNT Mean Green the next Boise State that finished in the Top 5 at the end of the season (after a BCS Championship Series win over the Michigan Wolverines)? So what I am saying is: If we're going to "what if" at all, lets "what if" with scenaros such as the aforementioned. GMG!

It's a different thought or philosophy I've stumbled onto with this, but can't Todd Dodge now tell a prospect that it might be easier for said prospect to get into the BCS Championship Series at a school like Boise State (and henceforth.........UNT) than at 2'nd division or celler dweller schools in major conferences that get kicked around annually in their own respective major conferences? I'm not telling yall something that most of you don't already know, but this BCS Championship win by Boise St. over the Sooners was very big for mid-major schools in so many ways and improved across the board recruiting could be at the top of that list. Heck, all the high profile prospects Todd Dodge is even just getting to visit our school this quickly is beyond many of our's wildest expectations. This is all getting to be very much fun again in Mean Green Country and the timing could not have been any better.

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He did...thru 2012. I am not sure why moving from Rice U to Tulsa U (both private schools) would be considered a move up by Graham; and in the same conference to boot. Build it...........UNT! Or we, too, will find ourselves to be a player in all this mid-major coaches fruit-basket turnover anytime the dominos start falling and this long before we ever want. If a company offers you 10 X's the money you are making now, don't you have to at least listen to that company? Most HFC's have familys that making 10X's what they are making now would make moving to such a job a very easy decision. On the other hand, some coaches (like the ones at Rutgers and Boise) are not going to get caught up in all this as they want to build onto what they have started at their respective schools. I don't think Graham left Rice U for the money aspects and I can't believe Tulsa officials would stay inside their own CUSA to find their next coach. Used to sorta' be an unwritten law for most confernces that you usually didn't hire your HFC from within your same league, for sure not a coach from within the same division of said conference. UNT (like any other mid major) needs to give a coach very many reasons to want to stay and we all know what we all need to be looking at very soon (with much pride) that will set between those 2 interstates at the Mean Green Village.

Exactly....so many of the Big Boy schools have "been there--done that"; but at UNT you would be part of a pioneering journey with a future new stadium as part of the mix and with all the ingrediants in place for Mean Green football to reach annual Top 25 rankings, and who knows what can happen from there.

Not sure that would be part of the actual recruiting sales pitch from Dodge and Co, but if kids truly are decommitting from Baylor and Michigan and now looking at UNT, then something most marvelously strange, different and quite new is happening out there on the recruiting trails, Quoner.

NOTE: Not sure where all the lower case letters came from in the subject line as I posted them (honest Injun') as capital letters? Did I screw up the board again, Harry? Yet the entire subject line which you can actually type in more words of which all don't show up on that subject line once posted should have read like this or something similar: Is UNT Reaping Recruiting Benefits of BSU' Success Whereas Potential NT Recruits Know They Can Sign With A Similar School (Like UNT) To Reach Such Lofty Goals as the BSU Broncos . We have to all love this new era we're in at UNT. A Texas HS recruit may want to think twice before he signs a letter of intent with a mid-to-lower division Big 12, SEC, Big 10, etc, school so they can get their heads kicked in by those conference's Big Dogs on an annual basis when they know they can now committ to Todd Dodge & UNT with our school most assuredley by now would have as one of its prime goals for MG football to emulate Boise State's BCS Championship Bowl Series success. Did Boise State have an "easier to get to" destination with their trip to the BCS Championship Series than (perhaps) Baylor U, Iowa State or others similar will ever have in getting there in the kind of conferences they're in? UNT and Boise State have a football series record of: UNT 3 Wins BSU 3 Wins Coach Fry used to say if he could ever get said "high profile" potential recruit on our campus for a visit that he always like his chances to sign such kids. I think we'd all agree that our new Mean Green head football coach has more to sell at UNT than any Mean Green HFC in our entire athletic history and he is doing just that--selling it. The final blue-prints of our new stadium will be the icing on the cake with the implosion of Fouts Field being that cake that will fall flat as a pancake! GMG!

I came up on that wreck just minutes after it happened (on Main St. in front of Tractor Supply and Goodwill) because the police department had blocked off about a quarter mile each side of the accident and I couldn't get to my destination. I was en route to buy some goat feed at TSC but (as I said) they had closed off the wreck area for a bit over 2 hours. After I finally got over to TSC, the vehicle was still on site and I thought at that time after viewing it that there would be no way whoever was driving that vehicle could have ever survived that crash. Brent is right, though, as this tragedy has shook up the entire Weatherford/Parker County area which (although growing leaps and bounds like the rest of the Metroplex) still has much of the small town flavor. Had to go back to the area around the scene of the accident yesterday and Weatherford HS kids were off that part of Main St. taking drive-by donations for this young man's family to help with expenses. The only thing worse that many of us in Parker County can recall that had a similar impact to our locals was when the 4 teenage girls from Brock HS were killed by a drunk driver several Christmases ago. As Long Jim said in his above post: "A parent's worst nightmare."

No, it was the one where I posted: "I wept!" (Uh oh, did I hear some thunder and see lightening over my roof just now)?