PlummMeanGreen

1'st time--long time, GreenBrigadeDebbie..............welcome back from your long sabbatical away from posting on GMG.com. You may be one of a handful that I haven't truly pissed off on this forum because of what (I think) you know to be my support for much of what the UNT College of Music does and stands for (as many others on this board). Still wasn't too wild about their apparent organized voting coalition a few years ago on that most important athletic-oriented referendum, though. Oh well............... GMG!

I knew it all the time that that was your quote, Deep! I once made up a new word (which Webster hasn't discovered as of yet): S-H-A-N-A-N-A-G-A-N-N-E-R-Y (a noun derived from the word shenanigans). Do they give you money for these types of things? Seriously, would a QB like Foles fit in TD's offense? Why not? He looked pretty darn good during that televised championship game.

OK, I'll post what I bet many of you have thought with this subject: Wonder how many times in 9 years any of DD's NT staff (including himself) visited SLC? Who knows, maybe they did, but we now know many DFW area schools they never visited listening to recent comments from many DFW area coaches. I guess DD (thinking in the same "sad" lower level of thinking which influenced him to approve usage of those gol' darned black unis') found some semblance of revenge with this particular "possible" recruit from Todd Dodge's former school. Oh well, whatever floats some people's boats out there.......... I think more now know what the oft' used term as well as often shot down term (on GMG.com) "high profile" now means to our school and its football program; and what it has immediately done for our DFW area recruiting, too. Our athletic program can only be as good as the personnel it hires, folks; and in the atheletic dept. that almost starts from the secretaries** all the way to the one in charge. If you hire D1-AA personel, most likely you are going to get an athletic program that has that "1-AA'ish" look and any school's media guides from any varsity sport can be a good barometer on that. Carry on, Coach Dodge... ** When UNT hired Coach Hayden Fry, he immediately hired the one who was his secretary at SMU, one, Aileen Saegart.

Of course, if the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) would move on with their plans to widen I35E (especially in the Fouts Field vicinity) this could alleviate many of Denton's congestion. Will be interestesting to see all the new road configurations as to how our fans will get in and out of the Mean Green Village to both interstates when that new "2 tier 40-45,000 seat stadium" is completed. I highlighted the "lots to do" in the initial post for all those UNT students thru the years who said there was nothing to do in Denton. Of course, some might ask: Just what is it that they want to do that they can't do in Denton? And its like one of new MG Coach Todd Dodge's most recent recruits said (and I paraphrase): "I came up there to see the campus and I saw much more than I would have ever believed." Folks, we really do have a most sellable campus and also the city which is headquarters for our main campus (at least Money magazine seems to think we do).

My bet...............yes. Will our own Mean Joe Greene's award winning Cleo commercial not only be shown today, but will it also be mentioned as a nation-wide poll winner of the fan's all time favorite? Just noticed NT Ex Norma Hunt (Mrs. Lamar H.) being introduced on the pre-game. WHOA HESTER! Beard Comb-Over?

This in the Sunday Dallas Morning News HomeCenter--Section N: Money magazine recently named Denton as one of the country's best places to live on its 2006 Best Small Cities list. The magazine considered over 745 cities with populations over 50,000. The magazine looked at "small livable cities that had the best possible blend of good jobs, low crime, plenty of open space, rational home prices and lots to do." ................................. The article went on to say the only thing Denton seemed to be lacking was a 40,000 seat (minimum) NCAA D1-A college football stadium, but it added that good news would soon be on the way for that, too. (Well, uh .............this last sentence was not part of the article at all but it is certainly part of many long time dreams, now isn't it )?

Condolensces to you, Baby Arm, and to your entire family. All our prayers and good thoughts for each and every one of you. Not one day goes by that I don't think of both of my own departed parents--I was truly blessed. You'll get thru this, B.A., and then all you have is good things that no one can ever take away from us concerning our loved ones and that being--our many, many good memories.

And isn't it always (overall) excellent team speed that really separates the upper half of the BCS from the lower half? Of course, strategic talent in the skilled areas is always most important, too. Good team speed will help us emulate the Boise State's of the NCAA world in due time. Can't wait for each and every one of us from each and every era to enjoy that upper stratusphere, too. This is going to be a fun ride and I'm glad I'm tall enough to get on it. All is well on the northern front... GMG!

Most every NCAA D1-A school in Texas has (thru the years) had their one (or two or three) Big Donor/Mega Bucks types. Anyone else beginning to feel the Goldfields of Denton, Texas, America, might just turn out to be our$? Seems someone with a Denton home appraised at $40 million (as the Goldfield's have), this family could probably shell out a several more million for our dear ol' alma mater, right? OR..............would we allow them to do such since that has hardly been our modus operendi in our glorious "we can't do "THAT"here at UNT" past? Thank the Lord, "the times are "finally" a-changin'" at our alma mater and the timing could not have been better. In fact, we seem to be on a roll of late with other very well timed changes. Hopefully even more are on the way.

WOULD THAT BE, JEDTRHO BODINE, FFR?!?!?!?! You know, there are just some not as fortunate as to say they were born in Texas, reared in Texas and........never had to leave Texas to get a decent job. I've heard strong rumors that suggest some have to actually leave their own home states to come to Texas to get jobs. Could that rumor really possibly be true? Still amazes me how many have to come to Texas to get a job; that's OK (I suppose) as long they don't start telling us Texans how to run, uh, Texas, right? PS: Do OU'ers know just how well we've played against Boise St. in the past with our winning several times against the Broncs'?

Want some Green Brigade football music to hold you over till 2-a-days? Go to the Union Book Store (the smaller one) and purchase 1 of 2 (or both) Green Brigade's CD's. I've played the fight song full volume driving down Fort Worth's West Freeway with passer-byers probably wondering what the hell is wrong with that one? Could he possibly be lip-syncing to........................Mick Jagger & the Rolling Stones?!?!?!? GMG! In Memory of Dr. Robert A. Winslow who could be a real bear in all those Band Day committee meetings back in the day, but............God rest his soul anyway.

Thank you for that most important clarification, NT80. Stallings also said we'd never be another Alabama, but aren't there probably about 80 plus other NCAA D1-A schools who would fit that criteria, too? I am as much a Gene Stallings fan as the next guy (probably more) and it was an honor to shake that man's hands that evening, but for all of the "non new" info Stallings brought to the table in his report that evening and the boo-koos of monie$ UNT paid him to do so, I would have preferred UNT had paid Hayden Fry the same (or more) but rather to have turned Fry loose on Texans as to have had him go out and do what he has been known to do quite effectively............fundraising.................and to do some fundraising among DFW'ers (specifically here in the North Texas Metroplex where he served as a NCAA D-1 head football coach for almost 2 full decades at 2 different schools. The man had a wealth of knowledge as to many of the ones who had the big bucks right here in our own backyard. UNT can probably do some things that makes it easier on itself in fundraising (if it only would) over hiring a bunch of non-Texans non-stop who don't know downtown Dallas' Commerce Street from Ervay Street; and hence therefore, for darn sure wouldn't know Trammell Crow from Zig Ziglar.

You'll be loved..........you'll be hated.................but you'll always be... MEAN<>*<>*<>GREEN ! Welcome!

Just another reason UNT needs to do all within its power to leave the mid-major designation behind forever; somewhat like I've posted in my new signature below. Might this CBS sports-scribe and expert need to know that UNT once hosted TAMU at Texas Stadium before almost 50,000 college football fans? OK, say what you want, but that is probably one of the largest crowds the Texas A & M Aggies ever played in DFW the entire time the Southwest Conference existed. Aggies came to watch their team in full force against the Stangs and Horned Frogs in their respective football venues, too, sports fans. UNT drew its almost 50,000 against the Ags the first and only time we hosted them here in the North Texas Metroplex. Not bad for starters, eh? Wonder what we could do if our new stadium in Denton had a 40,000 seat capacity and we hosted TAMU? These "he won't stay long" articles will slow down in due time. They are kind of a bore, now aren't they? Might this CBS sportswriter need to know that Boise State had 5 head football coaches over a 9 year period of time yet they were a BCS Championship Bowl team participant this last January who beat the mighty Sooners of OU? Would he write a feature article on that cold harsh reality? Probably not.... I still defer to the signature below:

Honest to goodness, Jack, I had no earthly intentions of pissing you off with the SMU post. And Jack, you've known me almost since I graduated from NT and you (more than anyone) would probably know this thing I have with SMU has been almost life long--not an over-night thing. Also, Jack, my late sainted mother (and God Almighty knows how much I miss her every day) used to tell her "only-est" son, uh, Jimmy: "Son, you could make the Pope cuss on Easter Sunday." Give my warmest regards to your lovely wife, Jessica, Jack. Hope both of you are in good health. Also look forward to smoking the peace-pipe with you and a few other of my long time friends (fellow alums) who I've (apparently) pissed off and those who I may need to "esplain" myself on some past posts (at least to those who will smoke that peace-pipe with me).

You know, DD did have some funny-like quips and quotes over almost a decade in Denton, but they would have all been much funnier if his (almost) decade-long recruiting efforts would have duplicated what Boise State's did for their program. You cannot have a "bowl winning" program that hovers in and around the Bottom 25 for nine years, folks, that's all there is to it. Something is quite wrong with such a picture as that no matter how you slice it. In my heart of hearts, I really do hope DD has astounding success at USU and then..............we all together (including DD) forget what irritated him about us and thousands upon thousands of us about him. And the article about rolling the dice with Todd Dodge? I think 99.9% of the Mean Green Nation already likes our chances with Dodge Ball and his recent recruiting successes (even if we don't sign them all this year) has already given some of his doubters reasons to no longer doubt . AND...............how could the play-calling possibly be any worse than what we've had? I think we all know the answer to that question, too.

Good post, Silver Eagle... At UNT, we also need many of our most faithful fans & alums to drop SMU as their (apparent) model and start thinking up along the lines of TTech, TAMU and UT. If we aim high, no telling what we'll end up hitting as goals, but for crissakes' folks, please do consider allowing SMU to disappear from your mindsets (forever) as a school we need to emulate. They have as many NCAA violations as any other D1-A school last count and (of course) they also have its only Death Penalty. Jeez, anyone out there have Bonny and Clyde as their role models, too?

This is total unadulterated bullshit and worse........its happened to a fellow Brazoria County-ite from Alvin, Texas. What were the conditions that others got extra year approvals from the NCAA and others did not, namely Muzzy? Attorney time?

Now, now.... All this has always been contingent on UNT finding a Sugar Daddy (or 2 or 3), UNTFanf23 and that seems to be the obvious direction where we (or rather, Dr B & Rick V) are headed; unless that is...............all from GMG.com are going to pool all our resources and build a 60,000 seat stadium! I said it from Day One (ad nausem) when we knew we would have to eventually implode Fouts Field: For UNT to build a new football stadium, we will need a Big Donor (or 2 or 3 or 4). That has never changed from Day One IMHO, and when we get into that stratisphere of would-be UNT "donor-dom" why not tell them (probably more than one Big Donor BTW) how important those few thousand extra seats will be for a future 45,000 main campus enrollment UNT of whom students from that future era will be cursing all of us in this present era if we merely build them a stadium the size of a small private school located in University Park, Texas. Can we ever leave behind our not so glorious football past, of which we always seem to base way too much of our tomorrows on our yesterdays; especially our leaving most of the last quarter century of our MG football "roller coaster" experience behind and just try to conjure up a glimpse into a future UNT? ADDENDUM: One of our posters and long time fans has already posted that the latest capacity plans are actually already set at 35,000 as it is, so what's all the excitment about 32K in the first place?

Beggin' a few pardons, but don't we sorta' insult ourselves when we tell ourselves that our building a stadium the size of SMU's is going to be large enough for our UNT constituency? YOU TELL ME, OK? With 5.6 million DFW'ers who live anywhere from 30-45 minutes from where our new stadium will be (and Coach Todd Dodge having already stated that he wants the Mean Green to be "the Metroplex's Team," right? With close to 100,000 NT Exes that live in the DFW Metroplex With the City of Denton at 100K population plus/minus a few faces With Denton County even larger than the city of New Orleans was before Hurricane Katrina and......... ............with a UNT enrollment (approaching 34,000) that even mega-millionaire/UNT donor Mr. Goldfield (himself) forecasts will only be #2 behind UT-Austin in enrollment in the future............... ............nevertheless..................with all the aformentioned statistics and our not basing any of our future on way too much from the past (and leaders who didn't inspire us to act our size back then); some would ask many more of you to ask yourselves if "32,000" is going to be large enough? If we build our new football palace at 32,000, we'd all be kicking ourselves in the A$$ in 10 years while probably those who set 32K as the construction figure will most likely be long gone. NOTE: This facility will be so unlike the Super Pit because Texas is still football country for most Texas citizens--this poster included. FWIW...........most of your Texas D1 on-campus basketball facilites are being filled by the locals (we could only wish) and students who live on campus. I mean, how many folks such as Deep Green are driving up from the Golden Triangle (Beaumont, Port Arthur & Orange) to attend a Mean Green basketball game these days? In fact, how many coming up from Weatherford, too? And NT Exes who are Dallasites with all that Interstate 35E traffic for a 7:00 PM tip off? Gimmee' a freakin' break on that one. NOTE: I35-W traffic from Fort Worth to Denton is hardly like a Sunday afternoon drive in the country anymore, either-----have you tried that interstate lately to see what I mean?

Probaby a moot point at this time, but I think the Denton Outlaw's owner has been the one to drop a very big ball on our UNT men's varsity baseball stadium plans (which we sorta' needed to field a mens varsity baseball team)? If we build our new football stadium large enough (and don't rush into one that's paints us into an eternal corner by being too small yet whose completion would look good on resumes'); anyway, with such a larger seating capacity stadium we would be able to schedule regional Big 12 schools (hellsbells, others have done it) known to travel thousands of their fans which will (ultimately) provide more gate receipts (enabling NT to increase its athletic budget) to help us not only field a mens varsity baseball team, but one that has a good chance of becoming a viable (winning) program. See how simple all this is?!?!? We can probaby field varsity sports teams till the cows come home at UNT, but I think we'd all like to see some of them actually win more games than they lose (loose) most years, right(?).............and taking a glance at recent UNT varsity sports media guides, well.........................

Apparently not one kelly green cap among that collection of Lids UNT caps? Chancellor Jackson to His Crack UNT Branding Committee: "Hey troops, might we should have sent out an official school memo announcing kelly green as UNT's official new color to businesses such as Lids, the Sports Authority, independent sporting goods stores and others similar? Heck, I really thought just sending this announcement out to Voertmans would "git-er done" for us, O Ye Creative Geniuses Who I Personally Hand Picked For This Most Expen$ive Project. After all, where do most of our alums live after graduation? Oh wait a minute, let me check that pertinent info out and I'll get back with you next month on it." How long will it be till Lids and others similar (outside Denton) find out that we are now "officially" kelly (mean) green? Wait a minute, I think I know the answer: About the time we make another color change? Are we as NT Exes responsible for telling them this kind of info all the time, too (which many of you have done for years to those who never knew about new changes made at UNT)? Much Texas tax-payer monies gets wasted at some state institutions and this UNT branding committee with their "very expensive non-results" thus far may be a prime example? And which one of that UNT Branding Committee produced that erroneously sent email to FFR saying they didn't have to answer to any NT Exes? Well, just who do they have to answer to when they obviously haven't got the job done outside of Voertmans on our new color scheme? If we follow some of this group in Denton like a flock of direction-less sheep and don't ever say speak up with our concerns, folks, we might not even today have a scenario where NT Exes and MG fans are (once again) exicted about football recruiting and a bright future for MG football. It is my understanding that there are still (amazingly) a silent minority who are still upset with the hiring of Todd Dodge to take their boy DD's job. Isn't that just freakin' amazing?

Of course, total monies raised in the beginning of this new UNT football stadium project (and most exciting journey for all of us connected to UNT) will dictate the initial capacity of our new stadium, but those of us in the "40,000 club" feel we would be able to sell about 8,000 more tickets to Longhorn fans, Aggie fans, OSU Cowboy fans, OU fans, TTech fans, an improved Baylor football program and their fans, etc, etc, etc. and what the heck, even many more new UNT fans that could fill those 8,000 additional seats (hey folks, our campus enrollment and city/county of Denton are all three hardly getting smaller in size these days and now even Mr. Goldfield has already projected UNT to be #2 in enrollment in the future and that being only behind UT-Austin, too); YET.......... that 8,000 additional tickets X's the price of each of those tickets can sure pay many more bills for UNT Athletics than if 8,000 out of town fans for all the other aforementioned schools couldn't get into our new stadium because it was the same size as SMU's. AND FWIW.............our new stadium out at our Eagle Point Campus will undoubtedly be much more accessible for visitors than SMU's "painted in a corner" stadium situation.

Sorta' see your point, MG Insurance Pro; and for certain (like many of you I'm sure), I have had Aggie friends all of my life especially being from the Houston area and they were all quite enthusiastic and always felt they never lost a game but time just ran out on em' (and all that kind of thing). Worked with many Aggies at Dow Chemical (Freeport) during a couple of summers with a job I had there. 2 of my all time favorite cousins were true maroon Aggies and were in the TAMU Cadet Corp when it was much larger back in the day; but as far as TAMU and NCAA football national championships, I'm trying to recall just how many NC's they've had even in my lifetime (and I turned 56 last November 24'th). Not sure TAMU and NCAA football NC's are synonomous or even rarely mentioned in the same breath of late, but (yet) they do have the potential to compete for an NC with all their means and reserves, but that doesn't always seem to be the panacea for getting an NCAA football national championship these days, either. Addendum: I believe they actually did win an NC back when John David Crow played for the Ags and I was about 5 years old, but I don't have my college football encyclopedia handy right now for an exact year on all that. Boise State seems to have gotten closer to #1 than I can recall TAMU has for quite a few years now. Hopefully, UNT will take all that to the next level and because of our location and still (virtually) untapped resources we are just now beginning to tap (a la 3 (three) $1 million dollar donors to NT Athletics the last 3 years), who knows what can happen with MG football, eh?

Never say never...