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I second that (e)motion, Phil. You are one of the best (and most traveled) Mean Green fans we have. I commend you for your patience and longevity of following the Mean Green when you could have been doing a million other things down there on the Golden Gulf Coast of Texas. Happy Birthday!

And does UNT hang in there the next 10 years it will probably take to change perceptions of the SBC? FWIW...............we don't owe Wright Waters anything nor do we owe anything to any other SBC schools. As GrayEageOne posted a couple weeks ago and I liberally paraphrase him: "If UNT has had a short-coming in the past we stay the course longer than we should have." And what I believe GrayEagleOne meant' (and he'll correct me if I'm wrong) was that UNT hung in there too long with "go nowhere" situations that kept us in our place and seems to always have us on the outside looking in...............also, a situaiton that has us in the Sun Belt Conference with (basically) a bunch of other schools who also didn't have any where else to go. Memphis, Louisville, Houston, Cincinatti, Southern Miss, South Florida, Central Florida, (and yes) even Florida State were at our level at one time in NCAA D1 football--they all went forward with their football programs while North Texas "stayed the course" went on a 30 plus year roller coaster ride of not one ranked varsity sport while staying the course of whatever you want to have called our those courses but nevertheless, such a course that has us in the Sun Belt Conference. And while in the SBC non-ending threads forever wishin' & hope'n for better things than where we are now. Yet when we have a chance to go outside our box (a WAC invite) so we in the name of "whatever" once again stay the course continueing with a league that still just has 1 bowl (maybe 2 bowls in the future). If we stay the course in the SBC, I believe we will eventually see 1 or 2 (maybe 3) other SBC leave us behind and maybe even go the way of Memphis, Louisville, Houston, Cincinatti, Southern Miss, South Florida, Central Florida (and yes) Florida State, too. (We seem to more than have our role or part down pat in this long running play that I guess we could call "And They Stayed The Course, Of Course."

"Jonesing?" I know I'm probably the only poster on GMG.com that doesn't get "Jonesing" but I will still ask.............NCMeanGreen, help me on that one. Any Poster On Most Any College Message Board's Career Scenario: If you have a family and you were presently making $100,000 per year and then..............another company swoops down and interviews you and then offers you a job at $1 million per year---do you say, uh, no? No, you don't say no, you can't say no, because you would say what every other NCAA D1-A head football coach (or anyone in business would say and that is): "Well, you know I do have a family I have to feed and would really like to take good care of financially for their future" (and that is what you or anyone says or something very similar and who could really blame them? Our society still (for the most part) abides by the Golden Rule; you know, he who has the gold....rules? First of all, I don't think SMU will come a-callin' for TDodge at this time and if they did it would be just another example of their kicking dust in our faces because well, because that is what they do concerning UNT and they know they can; yet if this wild scenario ever developed, UNT would need to do something very "un-North Texas-like" & match their offer and then take a very big hint for future reference: Build a freakin' new football stadium ASAP & don't build it to where we can't get Big State U to play us in Denton because they tell us its too small! Won't playing the Big Boys in a Big Time Stadium in Denton ultimately help us build a larger fan base than what we will build (fan base-wise) with a continual steady diet of SBC'esque schools on our future football schedules? NOTE: OK, we all know we will build what our monies raised will allow us to build, but we can still do the "college message board" thing & discuss it, right? And please, please, please.............. do quit projecting UNT's future on UNT's past as far as determining what our new stadium's size should be. No one in a populatioin boom growth area like the North Texas Metroplex builds a stadium the same size of schools that are hours away from an area that has 6 million population such as the area our alma mater calls home... ....you know, like the size stadiums most of the schools in our conference have (or with some fellow SBC'ers with "Small Time Plans" to build theirs even smaller for crissakes')? Also, don't get deceived or buy into all this "but it will be expandable to ???????" business because SBC schools won't ever have to expand their stadiums in this century so the moral of this story for U of North Texas along with those who can project beyond their nostrils and our most interesting athletic past is.......................build our new stadium out at the Mean Green Village large enough initially. There are schools out there that are pro-active and then there are schools that are re-active. A whole host of schools North Texas used to be in other conferences with the last 50 or so years and who passed us by were very pro-active and now they are in leagues that we now only wish we could be in--its just a never-ending saga for us of UNT, isn't it? FWIW & IMHO............if UNT could build our new stadium to seat 35-40,000 initially (preferably the latter, of course) that would be the most pro-active thing our school would have ever done in its 100 plus history for our intercollegiate athletic program in most all our lifetimes so another moral of that story is (once again): Build it large enough the first time. Sorry, NCMeanGreen, didn't mean to temporarily hijack this thread into the dreaded new stadium talk.

By George, STE, you are right. Maybe I misread that poster's thoughts on this subject several a few months ago when it was posted. BUT ALMOST CERTAIN.......I think we could all easily agree that we will build our stadium as large as its initial funding allows, right? At any rate, this announcement in all the DFW newspapers today (and yesterday) is the first official shot heard 'round the Mean Green Nation that says this stadium thing is moving foward in Denton. Outside the Goldfield family of Denton County being "possible" mega-donors, I honestly think our eventual Big Donor(s) will be someone we least expect whose name has probably never even once come up in any discussions we've had on this new stadium topic the last few years.

I think someone (who obviously did their research) posted this on this subject a few months ago (and I'll liberally parphrase what they posted): Does UNT want to have the dubious honor of being the only NCAA D1-A school having an enrollment larger than its new footaball stadium's capacity out at the Mean Green Village? The articles all say between 30-35K, but if we can't do 35K a happy medium of 33K would make us have a larger stadium than several in CUSA I believe. An initial 30K seat stadium sorta' puts us in the company of many D1-A schools I don't think UNT reallly wants to be in the company of. Whatever we build initially, I don't see expansion in the immediate future because of who we seem to always have to be in conferences with.... ....but 40K-50K from the git-go allows us to sell more traveling fan's tickets (and receipts from even one such game could fund a Mean Green minor sport) and that bcause of the kind of Big 12 schools we know Rick V could get on our future schedules. (Anyone out there no longer believe we can't schedule the UT Longhorns anymore)? Well, seems UT helped one of those upstart Florida schools open their new football stadium last September.

I saw the 2 write-ups on this most important announcement in today's Dallas Morning News & Fort Worth Star Telegram and all this truly is: A Red Letter Day-- For The University of North Texas-- And More Than We Can Possibly Realize!

Yawn.... Only A Theory: Probably just another bitter Dentonite who can't get on the UNT state teat as one of our un-productives (which I'd say are minimal these days) or cannot get 1 or 2 out of approx. 35,000 UNT students to whip out their MC's or Visas to spend their monies with him--of course--only a theory. Take 45,000 college students out of Denton & you have what amounts to a not so very pretty site of a town that would truly merely be called a bedroom community to Dallas & Fort Worth. And Mr. Horrell..............at the rate UNT, Denton and Denton County are growing, there are about 15 newcomers who could fill your most always (I'm sure) empty seat at the Mean Green Village at our future new stadium. The attitude of your letter we've heard before, but you, sir, are like a pimple on an elephant's butt fighting something much, much larger than you & your "old school" Denton attitude. Who knows, sir, if you live in or close enough to the Denia Neighborhood (adjacent to our sprawling MG sports complex) maybe you can get Mean Green fans on Game Day to spend $10 to park in your yard so you can at least milk something out of the University of North Texas, ya' think? (Again, just a theory with all this).

4.8 will get unranked teams to the Big Easy for a bowl, but forget any BCS Championship Bowl Series game. Uncanny team speed seems to be the common denominator of every team I've watched in the BCS Series bowl games thus far and Boise State was one of those teams last year, too. Maybe a prime reason they not only stayed on the football field with OU and then beat them, perhaps? And man O man, did Coach Johnny Jones recruit the best point guard in UNT history or what? I watched the game on The Dish and it was so-ooooooo much fun watching all those #4 ranked Horn fans squirm just a bit in our late game run.

Aquatics football for UNT? From looking at the UNT campus lay of the land, I'd bet the breast-stroke would be one of the most popular swim routines used by the: Mean Aqua-Green?!?!?! Dad joke of the day? Well, at least a nomination or, uh, keep trying?

Can you believe this kind of enthusiasm from a Mean Green freshmen football player's dad even after slow beginnings this Fall in Mean Green Country? One can only magine how it is going to be when Mr. Mosely's son and the rest of his teammates, ie, fellow MG believers and those who even sign on with Todd Dodge & Staff this Winter start stacking some wins on top of one another. Can UNT become the next BCS Championship Series bowl team? I think many believe Coach Dodge would not shoot for lesser goals for Mean Green football, but it can't be done in one season. It took awhile for Boise State (and a few consecutive years of their being in the Top 25 for the first time in their history) to get their Bronco ship headed to the Big Waters of NCAA D1-A, but they had a definite plan and stuck with that plan. Not easy for some to see it this very second, but I believe UNT can emulate Boise State and (now) UHawaii after a few years of Coach Dodge & Staff building a true foundation aimed for higher profile successes in Denton and I'd bet many, many, many of you..................that is, you who don't get caught up in all this "who do we fire today" or extremely narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned outlook w/o looking at the long term of what's really trying to be established at UNT; anyway, I'd bet many of you feel our football program can rise above the mediocrity of recent decades and do things like Boise and Hawaii have done and are doing now. GMG!

I know she probably didn't make it on a golf magazine centerfold, but our own sweet Norah (8 Grammy Awards & more to come) Jones should be in this collage of ex UNT co-ed's anyway....IMHO, of course.

Uh, Rick, no Norah Jones shots? She would be one of our current most famous NT Exes. I saw her on the Sundance Channels "Live From Abbey Road" from London, and sweet Norah's dark eyes would melt a stick of butter very quickly. This thread has taken an upswing! Pardon me, fellas', gotta' get the HBP medication out now!

On the Mean Green Radio Network half time show when George Dunham was interviewing Larry Lacewell, the former HFC of ASU and former Cowboy employee said it was always tougher for (schools we used to call non-BCS) to get in on blue chip linemen at recruiting time. I think Lacewell's theory has held true almost as long as I've followed the Mean Green and yes, even during the Fry era. Todd Dodge with his Texas High School name ID may change this in due time (and who knows, maybe even this Winter) but most non-BCS schools get kids who are 1'st or 2'nd team All State that didn't make blue chip list, but they still may have the frame & quickness (please Lord, let us recruit speed); yet (again) at recruiting time, they may be too light for D1-A football, but we know UNT has our ultra-modern Athletic Center with state of the art weight rooms that can put all that necessary meat on the hooves of what usually become project linemen at non-BCS schools (which is almost half the membership schools of all NCAA D1-A). I'm talking high school level here, but anyone from any era of Mean Green football ever recall UNT recruiting a true bonafide blue chip linemen from Dave Campbell's Super Team (1'st or 2'nd team or Honorable Mention) or even Bobby Burton's Rivals of late that had more than 3 or more stars?

Yes, Quoner, the end times may (in deed) be here since I am all but agreeing to most of the things said on a post by TFLF! We of UNT are in deed a most diversified group of thought and theory, now aren't we TFLF? WAC & Bowls? Well, the last 2 years the WAC has had 4 bowl games, of course all ye staunch defenders of all things absolutely perfect about the SBC and its 1 bowl and............if you will allow me to count a BCS Championsip Bowl Series bowl to be the WAC's 4'th bowl the last 2 years, right? Many of us Old Gun Alums have watched UNT fall back in the "arms race" and much to many of our's chagrins; but hellsbells, it wasn't any of us hiring all the "quote unquote" fund-raisers up there the last 30 years who actually had access to all the potential fundraiser's list and how many decades did UNT Athleitcs (to be fair) get told to "stay away from these potential donors" and when truth may have been known on some of them, that it was athletics that pulled in some of those those "stay away from them" group of potentials on the UNT Advancement Office "A List" of potential Big Donors back in the day? Yes, it's been quite an adventure for those of us who have mostly hung in there when so, so many did not; but now some of us are just ready to see some time, a bunch of volunteer service hours (and some money in past decades) pay off. So yes, it is (in deed) Pay Day Time for many of us older alums and good gosh' it needs to start happening very, very soon. FWIW................I think Todd Dodge still gives us the best long term upside of any coach I've seen hired in Mean Green Country since UNT Prez Jitter Nolen announced to our Mean Green World in December of 1972 some dude named John Hayden Fry would be our UNT HFC. So go ahead, Young Gunners, all you who have kicked Hayden Fry around on this forum more times than there ever should have been, but we haven't had a coach in Mean Green Country who could still hold Fry's jock strap since the day he left for the Big 10 & Iowa (hint, hint?) and some of you from all eras are astute and informed more than enough concerning your Mean Green football history to know this, too).

And when was the last time UNT had a QB who made a Freshmen All America Honorable Mention list? Any mention for any UNT frosh' QB for that matter? Can we start looking for a few silver linings on this board for a change? Jeez, I didn't get this way with DD until his 8'th year of under .500 success(?) and some of you (word I here) wanted even more of, uh..............."THAT"? O Ye of Such Low Expectation For Dear Ol' Alma Mater. (Just more proof in the pudding as to why so many schools have passed us by the last almost 30 years and some of those schools who used to even admire what we were doing--but that has been a long, long time ago now. In Todd We Trust should be something we do even when things have been its darkest, right? And without getting too cliche'est, isn't it darkest right before dawn?

We have a new stadium coming to a Mean Green Village near you sooner than later I am gathering then? And new conference? What is even an option besides the WAC (who offered us a spot a few years ago)? Tony, give me a call later today if you can (it's almost 2:00 AM now) and I (basically) woke up to turn this computer off when I saw this thread. Jim

Many recruits will come to UNT because we have a damn good school academic-wise and more of the best looking co-eds than any other Texas university (even the one in Austin). Many recruits also know they won't get the usual D1-A HFC's "spirit-defeating" chatter of: "Well, you were a good one in high school, but you will be red-shirted your first year no matter how good you were." Coach Dodge (a known man of his word before he arrived in Denton) tells his recruits that if they can make the 1 or 2 or 3 deep lineup, they will get playing (or starting) time their true freshmen year (and he ain't winking or crossing his fingers when he says such). I ran into a young man last night who played for Coach Dodge at Fossil Ridge HS. He is a TCU grad and owns a Parker Country eatery and his words from last night: "UNT will ultimately be glad they hired Coach Dodge because not only is he a great coach but he brings all the other intangibles to the table, too, ie, stark honesty, a no BS'er type of coach, a coach who instills discipline and makes his players feel good about receiving such".............. and other things the TCU grad told me I can't remember. AND NOW A RESPONSE TO TOECUTTER'S POST... Might it be that most likely many, many more outside the safe cyber-confines of www.GoMeanGreen.com may feel the same way as Toecutter does about the bright future of Mean Green football under Todd Dodge? I was duly impressed with George Dunham and Hank Dickenson's MGRN post-game comments with their own confidence and mutual agreement that "UNT more than has the right man for the job that he inherited" (or something to that effect). I'm with SUMG....let's add more years to Todd Dodge's contracts and have faith in him that he will get this defense thing solved, but lets him be the one who does it since few on this board will be doing any hiring any time soon.

According to one of our older nestors who kept up with such things back then, the Austin American-Statesmen said UNT had 19,000 Mean Green fans travel to Austin for that September of 1976 Darrell Royal/Hayden Fry matchup. (If that number is accurate, might that still be our largest travel crowd ever)? It was the first time the Longhorns had been scheduled in our school's history. BTW, back then----it was rare for a school like ours to even dream about scheduling an in-state "The University" type of football team. SE66, I still feel the main reason UNT did not get bowl invites back during the 1970's (or before) was that there just werent' enough of them to spread around much like today. I do believe lack of fans following a Fry-coached Mean Green football team back then would have never been the problem based on the Mean Green fans who followed our team to UT in 1976. I also think that enormous crowd we took to Austin back then hardly went un-noticed by many other schools in the Southwest, either; it's just after Fry left for Iowa, we pulled in our sails and went back to our usual standing still float-mode--a common theme for this school just after its taken a giant step forward in our past.

Chasin' Green Rabbits & Other Things... Well, to be Top 25 I do believe the offense and defense can't be too far apart, now can they? Phil, it's been so damn long since North Texas has had a significat win over a truly major D1 program that we have some posters already (typically) waving white flags and attempting to sell whoever reads all this stuff all the wonderful virtues of being in a a conference with Texas "freakin" State (and just how "so fine" that would be). FWIW, do some of them even remember that we actually were once in a conference with those vaunted Bobcats already? Such Glory Days those days were, eh? Or maybe the Bobcats just slipped a fast one by a few of them and they forgot that Texas State U was once actually once called, uh, Southwest Texas State Teacher's College? Sometimes I suppose dimensia can be a good thing and with our multi-decade Mean Green roller coaster ride, it has more than come in handy a few times for yours truly. For such a long time, I felt so sorry for NT alums/Mean Green fans who could only hold on as their high Mean Green water mark a near win over a "4 wins only in 1988" UT Longhorn football team. Then I think how over a similar era how La Tech was winning some "truly" big games over schools that we were told were "Body Bag" games for most of the last 2 decades. YET..............losing at North Texas creates some of the most interesting 'quick fix" solutions to our problems in what I would be sure would be all of NCAA D1-A. Unfortunately, decades of NT alums not demanding a better product (and laughing at those who did) has now got us in a real pickle pre-hiring of Todd Dodge. To the many of us who have watched too many schools pass ours while we fiddled around in Denton (and doing what all that time--who could ever say or who would have the balls to say may be more like it); yet, all that happening in our past is not what many of just don't want to see happen much more any longer truth be known. (Even Rick V said one time that Southern Miss back before they were one of the schools who passed us were even trying to emulate what some Mean Green HFC originally from Odessa, Texas, had started in Denton back in the 1970's--days that almost now seem like a fiction novel the longer away from those years we get. I feel sorry for Todd Dodge right now (nice income and all), but (like both of our Mean Green Radio Network fellers said on their post-game radio comments last night) I, too, think Todd Dodge is still the best man for what at this moment may be one of the truly crappiest jobs in NCAA D1-A. Want proof of all the crappiness? Check out some solutions for our present (actually hardly new) problems as presented by a hardy handful of posters on GMG.com who will (I'll swear to it) be first in line to pat Todd Dodge on the back when he turns this damn thing around and that sooner than later. We've seen all this before and we'll see it again with the usual Negative Neds who jump off the bandwagon at the drop of a hat and start telling us how NCAA 1-AAAAAAAA would best fit our future. I think most university leaders, BOR's and AD's do give any HFC the full cycle, ie, 4-5 years, to get what they inherited turned around and on a positive path. Dickey's first above .500 season was in Year 5 which I think many have suddenly forgotten. And what the heck, if Todd Dodge does not have this turned around at an acceptable level in 5 years, then he will have, too, served his time in Denton, but like SUMG's signature says, let's sign him up for a few more years with a new contract because looking well beyond the moment and my nose and the feelings of the moment, I think we'd eventually be glad we did such and....................also, hike up the fee for any school who wants to sign him away from UNT so we give his successor a good first and second (maybe 3'rd) year salary that Big Time U would have had to shell out to get T'odge. Again, I personally gave DD Ball 7 years of fan support and even posted such during those years, and you know what, I think I will just go ahead and give Todd Dodge his deserved due, too, although I think we will start showing program momentun and progress in Year 3 from this Mean Green HFC.

Grand Green's post: I don't think the addition of another Bowl Division team in Texas would be a positive for NT. IMO playing even at the lowest tier of the Bowl Division is much better than being in the Championship Division. Therefore I understand the desire for moving up, but that doesn't mean its a good thing for UNT. The fact is that Texas already has 10 BD teams and additional teams does significantly reduce the talent pool, particularly at the lower tier of BD. As far as the Belt, the last thing the conference needs is more start up teams. There is no opening in the conference unless some team leaves, more than 9 football teams makes little sense. By the time any team can move up, the circumstances will be substantial difference. Until then I guess there will be continued attempts by schools to move up and in some cases initiate football programs. Maybe UTSA, Lamar, and UTA will start football programs and the whole Southland conference can move up to Bowl Division status. Then NT fans can celebrate they have 6 more BD teams to recruit and compete against in Texas plus another in Arkansas and three more in Louisiana. ......................................................................... Grand Green's above post sorta' says it all... Yet what the heck have some of you others been drinking or smoking during this holiday season? Sounds like a bad mix of the "North Texas is not worthy of being in the same neighborhood of all the schools we used to be in a conference with" sort of cocktail mix to me. Why do some want to persevere more of the same kind of thinking that has forever kept our school basically in sleep mode most of my adult life and even before many of you younger dudes were born? Come on now, are yall really serious about re-forming what would basically be another 1-AA co-existance all over again and some of you doing so on this thread in the name of encouraging other schools to come join all the "we just can't do any better" mediocrity? Does it not bother some of you who by the reading of some of this thread who seem to have now taken on a (seemed) new self-appointed role of UNT's newest modern day perservers of the same kind of mindsets or stinkin' thinkin' (thanks for that one, Zig) that has kept UNT in a freeze frame mode athletically for almost 30 years onw? This while some of us older alums quit counting long ago all the schools we used to be on an even level with that (somehow) passed UNT by as they all went up the NCAA D1-A food chain? Why did all this low expectation business happen at our school in the first place is what NT Exes of all eras need to ask. Breaking the cycle of not allowing this to continue to happen is what we probably need as one of the first remedies of our deep sleep disease when it comes to advance (like most our Mo' Vally friends did years ago). This thread is more or less persevering the same ol' cycle of the "we po', proud and don't really deserve higher profile NCAA athletics" attitude we seem to have about our school's future as far as athletic endeavors are concerned. Why start burning the barn down now to kill the mouse? ......................This new conference some of you are suggesting is (for a major league sports market school like UNT) an "athletic program killer of a mouse--what else could it be? The conference a "few" suggested on this thread is just a re-construction of what amounts to being what we had while serving those 13 years in NCAA D1-AA prison--have yall already forgotten the pain of that? Were you even born? Some of yall will never meet UNT alums who dropped out the day we announced we'd pull in all the sails, go into float mode and be a 1-AA football program. Bad alums dropped out back then? Maybe so, maybe not--are you the judge of such things as that--I'm not----just like I don't tell people they need to be in church or synagogue each Sunday or Sabbbath, either but maybe those UNT alums just expected more from North Texas than for our leaders back then to give up on having a new Cadillac but rather opting for a used Chevy (I-AA) instead. Going from the penthouse to the outhouse is never any fun and that is what we did in 1983 when we went to the NCAA 1-AA level, folks. (Look at similar schools like UNT who didn't drop to that level). AGAIN.................Why do all this now (downsize all athletic expectations in Denton) when we (really, really do) have a 35-40,000 seat stadium on our horizon? Maybe not in the next 48 hours for this stadium, but we can't always control such things--o ye who seem to be control freaks on this board. YET.......do most of the schools yall mention in this thread even belong in a conference with any school that has a 35,000 seat stadium, least of all UNT? Uh........duh? Do some now believe UNT is no longer good enough to try to emulate schools that used to be regulars on our football schedules in the 1960's and 1970's (and part of the 1980's)? But for some strange reason (insert sublimenal "UNT Basically Went Into Sleep Mode") we hit a big scheduling void of what used to be a usual staple of schools when such schools as Southern Miss, Memphis, Louisville, Houston, Cincinnati and others like them started getting replaced on our schedule with many of the schools a small handful of you now want UNT to be in bed with conference-wise? So while your putting your "new conference" jigsaw puzzles together, why not use the schools that some of you used to profess you rather preferred UNT being in bed with as your puzzle pieces than some of the spares that if UNT were back in a league with (again) would all but put coffin nails on an upward bound aspiring football future at UNT. Do we really want to be the 2'nd largest university in the state of Texas with the lowest expectations athletically, too? Sound like the very kind of thing that UNT fund-raisers would all start shopping their resume's as to get the hell out of Denton, to me Oh, I forgot, you still have those tailgating BBQ's which some have all but made a religion but what if the league some of you seem to be suggesting on this thread actually happened. Would North Texas have a new well publicized phenomena whereas for future games in the LPC (Low Profile Conference) we observe that we now have more fans staying out in the parking during Game Time to than are inside our stadium--all 4 quarters!?!? That would not be what most of our alumnus body would call progress--I guarantee that. Can't you just see the DFW and Texas sports media having more fun kicking UNT around with that phenomena: "North Texas football has more who tailgate than actually go inside their stadium to watch football games since they (once again) went backwards with their athletic aspirations." ' In fact, the large the Denton school grows, the smaller some of its alums seem to want to compete." So come on now you who would be guilty of scattering all these little no name school conference pieces of puzzles all over the place as to what you perceive to be UNT's future; you know, such a conference that would really, really mobilize our UNT masses to forever forget return trips to Denton once they graduated? HINT: Let's get back to "N T" logo theme talk again or another shade of green for our unis' talk. It's a much safer subject than what is being suggested by a hardy few on this thread and.........10-15 years from now because the pool of schools being suggested did not happen, North Texas will have (perhaps) finally, finally, finally.................... stopped its over half century long roller athletic coaster ride of one giant step forward--3 giant steps backward. UNT opened its doors for business in 1890 (not so long removed from Commanche & Kiowa massacres on our northern Texas ranches) but can we only hope that we of UNT are doing all this slowly & surely; you now--the right way --unlike all those upstart Florida schools who rushed into the Big Time? N T (over-lapping or separate)? Wait a minute, didn't the NT Exes group think of this first gol' darn em' ?

2'nd Coming of Joe Greene? Hmmm? Sounds good to me...

Neuheisel was exxonerated of anything that could hurt his future coaching career by the NCAA offices. SMU is probably making a smart choice with RN. Matter of fact, RN was my first choice for our HFC's job when DD was fired until Todd Dodge's name came up and then TDodge along with his Texas HS ties eventually rose to the top very quickly on my personal wish list. I am still 110% happy that we chose Coach Dodge and I said the day we hired him looking at the fact that he would have no time to recruit last Winter that for his first season we might win 3 or 4 games. And I suppose I sorta' used our prior 2 years as my barometer for this Fall.

Flying machines?

Well, inasmuch as this is the football thread section of GMG.com I suppose when talking about WKU it was about football. And since football is my passion, I would think you would know that I would be talking about football so I didn't feel the need to disect every little part of the post as not to confuse. In fact, the majority of things posted on here by me is (still) mostly about.....football (since it would probably be moved if it were about basketball, right? Oh, well, every once in awhile I do backslide and talk MG basketball but mostly in praise of Johnny Jones. But get ready, CMJ, I'm coming on over to the basketball section of GMG.com to begin my own disecting on each and every one of all your basketball posts (and will watch for mis-spelled words and grammatical errors)............. so get ready now, ya' hear? Come on now, be serious with me, who has you stalking each and everyone of my posts of late (which seemed to really start when my WAC talk began)? Whoever.....tell them they are making me with my last 30 plus years of being a fairly close & astute follower of UNT athletics, its inner workings, hirings, decision-making processes, etc, etc, etc; anyway, such response focus on my posts are giving me a false sense of importance as an NT Ex. And you know that that is so very important to me out here in Parker County, Texas, where too many still think UNT is located in, uh, Denison, Texas?!?