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"...Todd Dodge's arrival is raising the talent level at UNT." (quote from Dave Campbell's Texas Football) Top 25 rankings on the horizon for the Mean Green, perhaps? GMG!

Amen to that, Cowtown... The Brookshire's in Willow Park where I shop for groceries is all but an Aledo HS spirit shop. One whole wall of the entrance of that store has a pictorial collage of Aledo HS sports action shots--quite impressive. The BearCat Cafe at an Aledo gas station/cafe is a fun place to sit and talk HS football on the morning after the game. Myself and another local UNT alum sometimes go there on those Saturday AM armchair QB sessions and talk Aledo HS football. Aledo HS has a very, very nice 2 year old HS football stadium that is state of the art. Yes, Cowtown, Aledo HS would be a great pipeline for our future. ALEDO HIGH School BEARCATS--The Mean Green Salute You! GMG!

Nice collage of photos, PerryG2480... Wish we had a crowd photo the night SMU came to the Super Pit (in 1975?) and 10,700 fans packed the "SuperPit!" Quite an unforgetable night &............. win for the Mean Green, too.

Welcome to UNT & GMG.com, bstnportsfan3... I don't know the answer to your question, but I'm sure its been awhile. Also been awhile since the Fort Worth Star Telegram had a quote that UNT out-recruited both SMU & TCU, too, no matter the differential in 'ship numbers given out. I know that postive UNT quote was taken from a recruiting service, but still..............won't we take it anyway? GMG!

YES! To even do this I'll bet news on a Big Donor (or Big Donors) is imminent, right? And such a donor may very well want to keep it on the QT, the real grad88. Nevertheless, the best part of all this is that things are actually moving forward on this most important facility for our future in NCAA D1-A (and all this in my lifetime to boot). So yes, Santa Clause...........there is a Virginia! GMG!

TTG, Reverend Al wrote one of my favorite Glen Frey solos of all time (well, maybe my own all time list for Frey, that is) with Green's "True Love." I have a super karaoke CD+G disc of that Frey hit with background vocals that sound almost like Frey's original hit. Sorry, now back to topic... HOW 'BOUT THOSE MEAN GREEN!

Well, old school R & B Al Green is a favorite of many but it was that other phrase which was coined by Mean Green Super Fan FFR. Fellow Parker County-ite "Fire-Fighter" just lets me borrow that phrase from time to time, that's all. GMG!

But did they really beat us every year................because most of our * star * (ed) signees were (and are) Texas High School Football (gol' darn, I like the sound of those 4 words); anyway, they were products of the best damn high school football in the USA! Yes, in deed, most of our signees were products of THSF and, uh, sorry, MUTS, but yalls were/are not. Remember all those years when yall won those ridiculous "sexy" titles by some Southern Dummy media-types?, You know, back in those days when yalls "caca 'stanketh not" and all that other hullaballooley? Well, just who was it that kept beating yall when things were on the line? (OK, darn it, I give DD his due with those wins); BUT...........just who was it that kept winning those important matchups? Well.. wasn't it the team in green (the ones with all our players not as highly ranked as yalls Tennessee plow boys who somehow are born with "media-produced" 2 stars before they even play their first game of pee-wee football)........... ............ yet it was still the team in green that seemed to prevail all those years, right?. ...now, lets see what we, ie, UNT can do with some pedigreed classes (such as this year's class according to some recruiting services) and hopefully we continue such on an annual basis (instead of just one nicely ranked class to live our next 4 years on). It's All Green &...It's All Good!(right FFR)?

You jest? But if not, I think a fax might be protected by the National Privacy Act; somewhat like a kid's grades? Ask a former UT Longhorn basketball coach about that one. GMG!

I applaud & admire his pro-activity. Has he ever done some fund-raising?

Win some--lose some; this phenomena seems to even happen at Top 25 outposts, too. GMG!

Good post, Bill...(and I, too, can relate with the binoculars part, especially at our venerable Fouts Field). PLUS.........I've always preferred c.s. lewis over sinclaire, but different strokes for different folks, eh? GMG!

FWIW...........Mike Ditka on a radio show I heard him on actually did predict a 3 point Giant's win, but his predicted score was 27-24. Probably time to move this thread to Non-UNT Sports, eh, Harry?

Sorry, NT80, I mis-read it, but have you also switched to Geico, too? GMG!

And yes, I know, I'm land-locked on this same ol' theme (but after all, I am of the age where I can repeat myself, repeat myself, repeat myself, .................., but Boise State rarely finished in the WAC's Top 3 or 4 recruiting classes in the years preceeding their $17,000,000.00 bowl revenue win over OU in 2007. AND.............perhaps I may be one of the most humble 6'th generation Texans you'll ever meet, (blushing emoticon).................but FWIW............I'll still take a Texas High School Football-produced 3* recruit over most 3* recruits from other parts of the country. I'll also take a Texas HS Football 2'nd or 3'rd team All State player over what some other state's call some of their high school products actual blue-chip future stars. AND..........do we really ever want to take over the role of "sexy" over another Sun Belt Conference school with all this mythical SBC Recruiting Champion talk? AND..........don't most of us like our upcoming recruiting class, that is, since it's filling some much-needed holes and........... might that kind of recruiting be what creates true championship teams moreso than getting a nationally ranked super-star recruit or 2 that might create other internal team problems from time to time? Let's see how many of those national recruits actually get signed, too, right? AND........has anyone else noticed that since Troy U finished their (basically) new football stadium that their recruiting seems to have hit a higher plateau with Trojan teams that have competed quite admirably against upper echelon "known" OOC foes? Hmmm? Pardon me now while I go eat a slice of humble pie & have my first cup of AM coffee.

How many 3* players does Hollivay give us now? Yes, I think both JUCO's will start this Fall. Little worried about the 19 credit hours, though, for Jenkins albeit he seems to not be worried. GMG!

Might be a good idea in the future to do a bit more research before putting on a forum like GMG.com's thread subject line that someone in such a high position as Athletic Director is leaving UNT for another job. NT80 had the best idea; that is, he merely took the time to drive up to Denton & ask Rick V point blank if he were taking the La Tech job. GMG!

Probably an over-simplification, but it seems we really are fitting some much needed pieces of the puzzle into some key places for this next Fall's Mean Green football team. I know many of us were like the little ol' lady (Clara Beller was her name I believe) in that old Burger King commercial of a couple decades back when she asked "where's the beef" but Coach Dodge & staff seem to be getting us that beef in the closing moments of this recruiting season. Isn't it safe to say that filling key spots with key recruits might outweigh what a recruiting classes final recruiting services points are? Once again, I defer to Boise State's lowly ranked classes, yet they seemed to fill key spots with quality recruits (and quality recruits with speed). Can you imagine being in a bowl just like the Broncos that paid out approximately $17,000,000.00 (no matter how they had to divide that out among the rest of the WAC)? GMG!

Wait a minute now, 97and03, AnotherEagleFan & I already assumed everyone knew that about RV.

My apologies, I didn't realize all that was going on at your school during that time; albeit I'm sure much like those in the Deep South, I'm sure yall weren't paying that much attention to all going on in the Southwest as many of us probably were not following Deep South football so much, either. We were pretty excited around here about all the dreams Hayden Fry was challenging our leaders, our school & our alums with quite frankly. I will say that I did start following USM's progress when Southern Living magazine did a very nice feature article on your school's football program that a fellow NT Ex brought to my attention as I recall. I also remember the full page photo of your (then) Coach Bobby Collins standing outside your schools' stadiium press box and my thinking: "Jeez, I wish UNT had such a stadium as USM's." (Do you remember that Souther Living magazine article)? BTW, I was one of those rain-soaked 3,000 at Fouts during that UNT/USM football game & that year was probably the beginnings of one of the wildest "multi-decades" roller-coaster rides that any school at any level of the NCAA has ever had to experience or endure; unfortunately, that school would be UNT that was on that roller coaster. Hope yall get a good recruiting class, AEF. PS: On the other post, if you mean't the "how's your family doing" line in that post, that is just a "hopeful" humorous way of getting off a subject that one may even want to channge the subject. In that post, that subject meant' your school's football program's budding success and..............UNT's beginnings of some not very good times for our football program. that's all.

The comment on USM using UNT as a model (which could have "ONLY" been back in the early to mid 1970's since who the heck would have ever used UNT as a model post-1978 season which is a big part of my own personal dismay as an NT Ex in 2008 since we've hardly advanced at all against upgraded competition); yet that comment actually came from one of your very own higher profile USM alums. If some of our present Young Gun Alums had had a similar taste and subsequent good feelings of success against some of the schools we played & even with a few of those we actually beat back in the mid 1970's, then I don't think they would be as gung-ho passionate about the Sun Belt as they seem to be now because........... who do you know ever wants to go backwards from where you'd once been especially if that would have been a higher profile NCAA D1 co-existance? We as NT Exes are all products of the eras we attended UNT and Hayden Fry merely showed us back then what could be done coupled with UNT leadership who had the balls back then to "dance in the rain" & get out of where we had been and.............. (along with AD/HFC Fry) start sailing in previously uncharted waters. Sorry, but a bowl win over a former Mo' Valley Conference-mate of UNT's ie, U of Cincinatti is not what many of us had in mind, either, as really going up to the next level, albeit was a good start in the right direction that we did not take advantage of whatsoever--but what else is new about UNT doing something like that, too? You know, 1 giant step foward & 3 giant steps backward? A whole bunch of us from the (then) Missouri Valley Conference including your own independent USM were (I think you'd even agree if you were around back then) playing at pretty well the same level with mostly the same level of competition. Then something new started happening in Denton...........our AD (who just happened to be our HFC) started scheduling en mass for the first time in our history schools like Darrell K. Royal's Univ. of Texas teams, U of Houston (who we soundly beat the year before they went to the Cotton Bowl), Ole Miss & Miss. State (who you guys could never schedule back then), Oklahoma St. and the University of Tennessee Vols (who we beat in 1975), etc, etc, etc, I am not totally sure what USM was doing in W/L's and who yalls competition was back in the early to mid-1970's, but I don't think they were doing what Hayden Fry's Mean Green teams were as far as dramatically upgrading our own UNT football schedules with the Big Boys & beating a few of them as well.

Another Eagle Fan, I am one who respects your school's football program; in fact, I am old enough to remember when USM was all but using UNT as their own model for success before your Golden Eagles really took off and we of UNT, well............how's your family been doing of late, AEF? Below is from another thread and post of the 4 years of rather low-rated recruiting of Boise State's when in their 5'th year after those 4 "less than impressive" years they then beat the Oklahoma Sooners in a BCS Championship Series bowl game. Thought you might want to see how even annually low ranked classes can still lead to good things if all the pieces of said school's puzzle falls in place. I think you'd agree that Boise State's fell in place quite effectively and have a win over OU in a BCS Series bowl game as proof. OK, I'm a Texan & played Texas HS football like many on this board. I also believe Texas HS football players (all 160,000 who play in our state) for the most part get pretty good coaching across the board. But in my heart of heart, there are no recruiting services who could ever cover Texas's HS football products. Many of Rival's 3* & 4* recruits here in Texas had some pretty good politickin' Texas HS football coaches who know the Burton's (of Rivals) of the world and can sway an extra star or 2 because of it. Anyway, below are some pretty low-ranked Boise recruiting classes that seemed to have not been judged very effectively at all by recruiting services. It was so darn funny to hear TV analyst Barry Switzer all but brag before the BSU/OU bowl game how the Sooners had not recruited "ONE" player that was on the BSU roster. Even funnier was how humbled Switzer started to become as that bowl game show-cased a school (OU) that always had Top 10 recruiting classes yet one that was getting schooled by another school that probably still has never even had a Top 25 rated recruiting class--maybe not even a Top 50 one for that matter. OK, I will quit rambling... Hey fellow Mean Green recruiting junkies, here are some interesting numbers of Boise State's 4 previous years national recruiting rankings leading to their BCS Championshiop Series Bowl win over the Oklahoma Sooners in January of 2007. These national recruiting rankings for OU & Boise State are from the College Football News. OU (ties #7 & with LSU........... 2006................... BSU #78 OU #5................................. 2005................... BSU #73 OU #7 .................................2004................... BSU #72 OU #3 .................................2003................... BSU #73 Boise State athletic officials have said for years how most of their annual recruiting classes were most always unheralded even among other WAC members (and for certain not ranked so high nationally as compared to the Big Boys........... .............BUT, I think the thing that most of us would all agree is how Boise State was recruiting "lights out" speed with all their not so highly ranked recruiting classes & IMHO was one of the prime reasons they were able to hang with the Sooners and eventually beat the vaunted University of Oklahoma Sooners in that most exciting bowl game.

Agree... So how is any UNT assistant coach getting a 6 figure income not good? I think this is the first time for this to ever happen at UNT; that is, an assistant getting into the 6 figures income range. I only wish all of them could get those 6 figures and like Dallas Green said, our administration will soon have to realize that these kind of things need to happen if we are going to compete where we say we want to compete. Hey folks, this is not your great-great grandfather's NTSTC any longer. When will everyone step across the line with the rest of us to finally realize this? GMG!

REVISED THURSDAY AM Now Brent I know we have agreed on more things than this one, just give me some time to think what they were, OK? Seriously, I have hope of all hope that UNT will have the "One Donor/One Announcement" theory come to reality. All of us who've been to Oklahoma State in past years probably knew in our heart of hearts how (during those years) that their football stadium could hardly be called one that was of Big 8 or Big 12 standards but... .........One Donor, ie, T. Boone Pickens with merely One Announcement changed the football future of the OSU Cowboy football program (and their entire university family) for the next 50 or so years with his huge gift to the Stillwater-based school. Now I don't know if UNT will ever find such a high roller with the billions that T. Boone Pickens has, but we don't need T. Boone Pickens type monies to build what we need in Denton, Texas. IMHO What we have (in the last few years) asked AD Rick V to do is more than one man could possibly do; after all, for much of the last 3 or so years, we have "ONLY" been asking RV to raise more monies than was in our entire UNT Endowment. Would you like to have that responsibility at UNT? That (my friends) would be quite a tall order for anyone working at at our alma mater in light of our past fund-raising history (at any level) AND...........that would not be fair to ask of any UNT Athletic Director no matter who that would be. In all fairness to RV, he did seem to have one very heavy finger of one particular former Chairman of the UNT Board of Regents on him most of the time he's been our AD and that was the case until that chairman tenure on the BOR's was over. Anyone else remember when a particular UNT BOR's chairman had the kajones to veto the firing of a coach that had we replaced him at the time back in 2001, we may have very well hired the kind of head football coach our former conference-mate Boise State had been getting in their last 4 head football coaching hires coupled with the kind of leadership that would have never, never, never produced such a bush league & immature act as black jerseys-gate became (which was an insult and symbolic "mooning" aimed at our entire UNT community) and then................. back in 2001 Rick V may have very well been "allowed" by our (then) Chairman of the BOR's to hire a new Mean Green HFC that would have annually recruited a good class and coached Mean Green football into a Top 25 program. Also, such a Mean Green football program that would have been representing the SBC as a Top 25 football program going to the Big Easy those 4 years (instead of one ranked in the Bottom 25). TO AN EXTREME MINORITY OF DODGE-BASHERS ON GMG.COM & YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE: So you really did like that level of a NCAA D1-A co-existance for UNT back then as we were habitual Bottom 25 scavengers and you really thought it just fine for our alma mater to be, uh, "successful" at that level? Well, go ahead & continue eating your "always low expectations for UNT" humble pie (but realize you may, in deed, now be in an extreme minority). Again, you really thought all that Bottom 25 success fit the bill for UNT? Well, then I hope you also enjoy beating your own sister in an arm-wrestling contest as well. NOTE: Also, try to give Coach Todd Dodge at least half the time it took DD to reach his first season of over .500 in wins/losses in Mean Green Country, too, if you please, because that would be very nice of you. Best case fund-raising scenario at UNT? IMHO, that would be if every top UNT administrator (starting with Dr. Bataille) along with every UNT Board of Regent (and even past Regents with UNT ties for that matter) working side by side our UNT AD and Todd Dodge by creating the kind of excitement that this new NCAA D1-A football stadium can do for our entire UNT System, specifically our main campus in Denton. Again, much really does ride on our school's overall reputation here in the great Southwest as far as our asking the question to ourselves: "Can UNT put its money where its mouth is with this football stadium out at our Eagle Point Campus between those 2 Texas interstates? Unfortunately, just like Big 12 member Oklahoma State University, we, too, are just going to need our own version of a Heavy Hitter to help us get our new football stadium jump-started, too. GMG!