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119 you say? Some would call that opportunity... In the past at UNT when things seemed to get at its darkest also seemed to be the times our green-tinted Phoenix started its rise from the desert. Old & Young Nestors alike will tell newcomers that these things are most always a cycle thing. After 0 wins (or was it 1 win?) in 1972, ie, my first year as an NT student, all the Negative Neds on and near campus started their usual talk of dropping football (yawn) and in December of that same year we hired one who who shattered the glass ceiling and raised the bar for Mean Green football as well as what seemed like the whole darn university and the entire UNT constituency. It's amazing what a football program that has Top 25 aspirations, goals and then obvious momentum toward those means can do for everyone. Hellsbells, ugly women start looking good, anchovies on a pizza tastes great and Jose Cuervo hangovers become something to look forward to. Tough times don't last--tough people do. GMG!

If even any "one" of DD's 4 bowl teams had been ranked near or in the Top 25, he would still be in Denton today and it would probably be a toss-up whether to have his or Hayden Fry's name on the upcoming new stadium; that is, if our new football palace is not going to be named after some corporation (which many of us still think will play a big part in its eventual construction). I really did not like some of the things I posted about Coach Dickey in hindsight, but what was posted back then was coming from an NT alum who as an NT student supported Mean Green football teams that (no matter how you slice it) did have some key wins over some key name football schools. This is still the barometer for many of us Old Gun Alums today. Had their been as many bowls back in 1975 as there are today, the University of Tennessee Vols (who we beat in 1975) would have been in a bowl since they did finish with a winning record in 1975. What I said during the last 2 years of DD Ball was merely in context as to what many of us still felt this program should be doing with winning records which would be tantamount to what our former Big West conference-mate, ie, the Boise State Broncos were doing with their own annual winning records and bowl teams, that's all. Can you blame us old NT foagies for thinking that UNT should expect no less than what the Broncos were getting with their winning seasons and bowl teams? Still............we can all only wish the best for Coach Dickey and right now we might all agree that even winning (bowl) teams annually ranked toward the Bottom 25 would be better than what we've had of late. The barometer for Mean Green football success has still apparently not been set high in Denton under present leadership and I don't know why. I still don't think its time to throw in the towel just yet, but Coach Dodge really needs a good recruiting year filled with Juco's (most likely) who can start, he needs an above .500 season in his upcoming 3'rd year and who is to say that in the conference we're in that we can't have just that? It's just that I don't think we will have such (even if successful in 2009) at the same level that the Boise State's of the NCAA D1-A world are having when they have winning seasons with ranked bowl teams, that's all. For many of us, we are really starting from scratch with this and have no idea where any of this is heading and for those from the Mean Joe Greene era thru the Fry years in Denton, all this is a source of great frustration.

PS: Yes, Greenminer, I did call for Dickey's head and along with many of you touted to give Todd Dodge a chance. Now..........I just don't know who the answer is for all this as to take this program where Boise State's has been of late (Top 25?) and we of UNT don't deserve any less than what the Bronco football program has produced. Correction: That should be "Calvin" instead of Greenminer. You see what 58 is already doing to me?

58 YEARS OLD?!?! HELLSBELLS! Thanks to each and every one of you friends & fellow alums who've posted on this thread with your kind words on my Birthday. You know we have all agreed to disagree in times past but we're still part of a most unique family that has seen it all the last few decades, now haven't we? Even to you who haven't posted on this thread who stayed the maddest at me for some of my past epistles and diatribes I'll say like in the old beer commercial--I luv' ya' man! Yet...........I'm still Mean Green & Proud of It, though, and no one can ever take that away from me for now and to replenish my 401-K.... ....I have this DJ business thing going and most every weekend I have something scheduled. For instance, I have a Sweet 16 Birthday Party to host and DJ out here at my 1 acre (with pond) Party Palace location in the wilds of Parker County. See my Photo Section for a few pro DJ-lighted photos inside the Party Palace & at this website: SoundWorksDeeJay.com and (ONCE AGAIN)... ...hellsbells!...............SEND ME SOME MORE BUSINESS because as to quote Denton Car Dealer & MEAN GREEN supporter Bill Utter: "I Am Utterly Affordable!" Wedding Receptions have also really picked up and I have found that no matter how pathetic our national economy is now and may be for awhile, weddings are still going to take place. In fact, I have lready booked some for next Spring. And gol' darn it, McDowell, when did Harry start letting you all start posting nekid' women on this board?!?!? Oh now wait a minute--let me double-check--OK, your icon does seem to have some Johnson & Johson band aids placed in strategic places but from a distance she looks like she is in a birthday sort of situation (so to speak)! Sorry 'bout that, John! (Hey, I'm 58 now and the eyesight is not as good as it used to be of which I know some of you can also relate)! Anyway, fellow alums and MG fans & on a more serious note concerning our present situation in Mean Green Country may I suggest....this too shall pass? FWIW...to quote Gov. Palen post-election when she said that it is obviously Obama's time yet...........it is still our time in Mean Green Country and we just merely need to get the train back on the tracks again. Peace To All &... Sincerely, Jim Plummer MG & Proud of It! Class of 1976 & A Proud...6'th Generation Texan! PS: Yes, Greenminer, I did call for Dickey's head and along with many of you touted to give Todd Dodge a chance. Now..........I just don't know who the answer is for all this as to take this program where Boise State's has been of late (Top 25?) and we of UNT don't deserve any less than what the Bronco football program has produced.

WOW! A very powerful post from an ex Obama campaign staffer: Please read and send to your entire computer address book! You will not believe what this lady has to say--it's pretty darn scary stuff about B. Huseein Obama, fellow Americans. -------------------------------------- Huli1:26PMNov 2nd 2008 From a person who is from Obama's campaign office. A Hillary staffer comes clean Blog Posted by: Anonymous_14 Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 04:52PM CDT After a long and careful consideration of all the implications and possible consequences of my actions today, I have decided to go through with this in the hope that our country can indeed be guided into the right direction. First, a little personal background… I am a female grad student in my 20’s, and a registered Democrat. During the primaries, I was a campaign worker for the Clinton candidacy. I believed in her and still do, staying all the way to the bitter end. And believe me, it was bitter. The snippets you’ve heard from various media outlets only grazed the surface. There was no love between the Clinton and Obama campaigns, and these feelings extended all the way to the top. Hillary was no dope though, and knew that any endorsement of Obama must appear to be a full-fledged one. She did this out of political survival. As a part of his overall effort to extend an olive branch to the Clinton camp and her supporters, Obama took on a few Hillary staff members into his campaign. I was one such worker. Though I was still bitterly loyal to Hillary, I still held out hope that he would choose her as VP. In fact, there was a consensus among us transplants that in the end, he HAD to choose her. It was the only logical choice. I also was committed to the Democratic cause and without much of a second thought, transferred my allegiance to Senator Obama. I’m going to let you in on a few secrets here, and this is not because I enjoy the gossip or the attention directed my way. I’m doing this because I doubt much of you know the true weaknesses of Obama. Another reason for my doing this is that I am lost faith in this campaign, and feel that this choice has been forced on many people in this country. Put simply, you are being manipulated. That was and is our job – to manipulate you (the electorate) and the media (we already had them months ago). Our goal is to create chaos with the other side, not hope. I’ve come to the realization (as the campaign already has) that if this comes to the issues, Barack Obama doesn’t have a chance. His only chance is to foster disorganization, chaos, despair, and a sense of inevitability among the Republicans. It has worked up until now. Joe the Plumber has put the focus on the issues again, and this scares us more than anything. Being in a position to know these things, I will rate what the Obama campaign already knows are their weak links from the most important on down. 1 – Hillary voters. Internal polling suggests that at best, we are taking 70-75% of these voters. Other estimates are as low as 60% in some areas – particularly Ohio and western PA. My biggest problem with this campaign’s strategy was the decision NOT to offer Hillary the VP slot. She was ready and able to take this on, and would have campaigned enthusiastically for it. This selection would have also brought virtually all of her supporters into the fold, and the Obama campaign knew it. Though I have no way of knowing this for certain, and I do admit that I am relying on internal gossip, Senator Obama actually went against the advice of his top advisors. They wanted him to choose her, but the only significant opposition to this within the campaign came from Barack and Michelle Obama. In short, he let personal feelings take precedence over what was the most logical thing to do. Biden, by the way, has been a disaster inside the campaign. Everyone cringes whenever he gives an interview, and he creates so many headaches as the campaign has to stay on their toes in order to disseminate information and spin whatever it was he was trying to say. 2 – Sarah Palin. Don’t believe what the media is telling you about how horrible a choice she was. Again, our internal polling suggest that though she has had a minimal impact on pulling disaffected Hillary Democrats to McCain, she has done wonders in mobilizing the base for McCain. Another thing – we were completely taken by surprise with her pick. In my capacity in the research department, I looked into the backgrounds of Leiberman, Romney, Pawlenty and Ridge, and prepared briefs. I don’t mind bragging that we had pretty good stuff on all of them. With Leiberman, the plan was to paint him as an erratic old-timer who didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing (pretty much a clone of McCain). In Romney, we had him pegged as an evil capitalist who cut jobs. Pawlenty was going to get the “Quayle treatment”, or more precisely: a pretty face, with no valid experience. Tom Ridge was going to be used to provide a direct link from McCain to Bush. As you can see, we were quite enamored of all of them. Then the unexpected happened – Sarah Palin. We had no clue as to how to handle her, and bungled it from the start. Though through our misinformation networks, we have successfully taken some of the shine off. But let there be no doubt. She remains a major obstacle. She has singlehanded solidified “soft” Republican support, mobilized the McCain ground game, and has even had some appeal to independents and Hillary voters. This is what our internal polling confirms. 3 – Obama’s radical connections. Standards operating procedure has been to cry “racism” whenever one of these has been brought up. We even have a detailed strategy ready to go should McCain ever bring Rev. Wright up. Though by themselves they are of minimal worth, taken together, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Father Pfelger, and now, Rashid Khalili, are exactly what the campaign does not need. The more focus on them, the more this election becomes a referendum on Obama. The campaign strategy from the very beginning was to make this election a referendum on Bush. Strategists have been banging their head on how successfully McCain has distanced himself from Bush. This has worked, and right now the tide is in his favor. People are taking a new look at Barack Obama, and our experience when this happens tells us this is not good news at all. When they take a look at him, one or more of these names are bound to be brought up. McCain has wisely not harped on this in recent weeks and let voters decide for themselves. This was a trap we set for him, and he never fully took the bait. Senator Obama openly dared him to bring up Ayers. This was not due to machismo on the part of Obama, but actually due to campaign strategy. Though McCain’s reference to Ayers fell flat in the last debate, people in the Obama campaign were actually disappointed that he didn’t follow through on it more and getting into it. Our focus groups found this out: When McCain brings these connections up, voters are turned off to him. They’d rather take this into consideration themselves, and when this happens, our numbers begin to tank. 4 – The Bradley Effect. Don’t believe these polls for a second. I just went over our numbers and found that we have next to no chance in the following states: Missouri, Indiana, North Carolina, Florida, New Hampshire and Nevada. Ohio leans heavily to McCain, but is too close to call it for him. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa are the true “toss up states”. The only two of these the campaign feels “confident” in are Iowa and New Mexico. The reason for such polling discrepancy is the Bradley Effect, and this is a subject of much discussion in the campaign. In general, we tend to take a -10 point percentage in allowing for this, and are not comfortable until the polls give us a spread well over this mark. This is why we are still campaigning in Virginia and Pennsylvania! This is why Ohio is such a desperate hope for us! What truly bothers this campaign is the fact that some pollsters get up to an 80% “refuse to respond” result. You can’t possibly include these into the polls. The truth is, people are afraid to let people know who they are voting for. The vast majority of these respondents are McCain supporters. Obama is the “hip” choice, and we all know it. As part of my research duties, I scour right wing blogs and websites to get somewhat of a “feel” as to what is being talked about on the other side. Much of it is nonsense, but there are some exceptions which give the campaign jitters. A spirited campaign has been made to infiltrate many pro-Hillary sites and discredit them. A more disorganized, but genuine effort has also been made to sow doubts among the unapologetically right wing sites such as redstate.com. Don’t you guys get it? This has been the Obama campaign’s sole strategy from the very beginning! The only way he wins is over a dispirited, disorganized, and demobilized opposition. This is how it has been for all of his campaigns. What surprises me is that everyone has fallen for it. You may point to the polls as proof of the inevitability of all of this. If so, you have fallen for the oldest trick in the book. How did we skew these polls, you might ask? It all starts with the media “buzz” which has been generated over the campaign. Many stories are generated on the powerful Obama ground game, and how many new voters were registered. None of this happens by coincidence. It is all part of the poll-skewing process. This makes pollsters change their mixes to reflect these new voters and tilt the mix more towards Democratic voters. What is not mentioned or reported on is not the “under-reported cell phone users or young voters” we hear so much about. What is underreported is you. I changed my somewhat positive opinion of this campaign during the unfair and sexist campaign against Sarah Palin. I will never agree with her on the issues and will probably never vote for her, but I am embarrassed of what has happened. I can’t ignore our own hand in all of this. What I do know is that I will not be voting for Obama this time around. Treat that as you will. This isn’t about race This isn’t about black or white This is about TRUTH The American people deserve the truth…it is their lives at risk…. Dr. Rev Stanley said,,, the first signs of tyranny is when the TRUTH is being silenced WE AS AMERICANS DESERVE THE TRUTH ABOUT “BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S” SHADY PAST ….. TERRORIST, COMMUNISTS, HAMA’S, CORRUPTION, SOCIALISM VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!!!!!

OMG! HELLSBELLS & YES! ! ! ! WHAT A GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT & PRAYERS ANSWERED FOR MANY, MANY, MANY...GREAT NEWS FOR A GREAT SCHOOL THAT NEEDED THIS HUGE SHOT OF SYNERGY THAT GIVES MEAN GREEN FOOTBALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP THE D1-A FOOTBALL LADDER WHERE IT BELONGS. ====================================================== A Special Thanks To UNT Students of the Fall, Semester, 2008. You've Performed A Historical Feat of Huge Proportions & We Older Nestors (and Young Gun Alums) Are Very Proud & Most Appreciative of You! __________________________ Update: I've been a Mean Green fan via the MGRN this Fall. This is the 1'st Saturday I've had off in more than a month with my DJ business but....I do have future open dates so (shameless plus here) so................ if you have ANY friends or confidance needing a well formatted DJ music program for any kind of Event (albeit Wedding Receptions are my main staple); anyway, I'd love to give them a bid for their Event. Have them call me from my phone number listed in my website: www.SoundWorksDeeJay.com Update II: Anyone in Parker County (or from anywhere for that matter), I Dee Jay 8pm to 12 midnight every Thursday night at Coronado's Mexican Eatery (west of Home Depot) in west Weatherford, Texas. Yall come but most importantly I'm: Mean Green & Proud of It!

Sadly, our entire UNT athletic program could all but be stopped in its tracks if we don't build this new stadium soon enough and if we don't build the right size stadium as well. If we build for a long future in the Sun Belt Conference--we're going to be so screwed with all this and most of you fellow Texas collegiate football traditionalists would know that, too. Building a stadium too small in Denton for a school our size and one projected to continue its boom growth would almost be worse than not building a new stadium at all, IMHO. My question to Prez'/Dr. B is this: If this present group cannot raise the monies to build a true NCAA D1-A football stadium for the futute 2'nd Largest University in the Lone Star State..................then are we saying it cannot be done at all? I hope that is not the school of thought up there on fund-raising because that would be yet another mistake. GMG!

The Green Heart Award is all yours, Jack! Hang in there--hang in all those lonely trenches where few trod, bro'! We HAVE seen and heard it all, now haven't we? Nothing new--in fact, kinda' getting old but........... .,,,,,,we do need a new stadium, folks, if not for the fact that we are over-due one from a physical plant standpoint, but because many of our fellow Texans we work & play are seeing that others among the non-BCS and now even the Sun Belt Conference seem to have no problem getting their new stadiums jump-, uh, well....how are all of your families doing fellow alums? ,,,but really, there is nothing wrong with UNT that a few "well-connected" (to DFW & Texas) dyed with green wool professional fundraisers could solve pretty damn quickly. Good gosh! T. Boone Pickens is spending $50 million the next few weeks on TV commercials telling us how to build giant windmills across our Texas pastures & prairies to keep all the Husseins of this world from turning the USA into one giant used car parking lot. ONE LONG SENTENCE COMING UP! Yet................I still truly think the same school that had "non-UNT" oriented Gene Stallings on a very nice salaried consultant fee at UNT could have done the very same with Hayden Fry and Bill Blakely to help us in athletic fund-raising, but we most always chose to do something different and (seemedly) non-productive for a school our size and scope and.............like most everything else at UNT (especially athletics) we are waiting for the 2'nd Coming of Jesus to act on anything that will help us catch up with those we should be running neck and neck with here in 2008, ie, U of Houston and Texas Tech? BUT............... what the hell do we older alums know anyhow? Hellsbells! Many of us have only lived in DFW for over 35 years and have some pulse of what others have done around here (Lone Star State) with intercollegiate athletics and more importantly, its................H I R I N G S (and keepings of those who will aim us much higher than we've been in awhile). Nevertheless........GMG! PS: Congrats to Mr. and Mrs. Jim Hobdy on their Wedding Day today! PS II: Lets not blow this hiring of Todd Dodge but make it a win-win for all concerned because all concerned need this thing to work in Denton, Texas, America, especially now. God bless ya' all and... I still defer to the signature below....

I think the shade of green on the Eagle is getting closer and closer all the time to what we want. Wouldn't it be just like us of UNT to change the gol' darned shade of green again by the time all the Southwest merchants finally figure out that we actually changed it post-Dickey era? Only at...........well, you know. GMG!

Yeah, but with 4.4 forty speed, it will be quite nice to have him in Denton, on campus and the Mean Green Village. Wasn't it Boise State thta beat a school from Norman in a BCS Championship Bowl Game couple years ago because they had some outstanding team speed, ie, such as the kid has who turned Montana State down?

Let's just buld an NCAA D1-A football stadium, fill it and call our own shots! Right? Damn, if this economy is working against the above mentioned goal, but hopefully it will also turn around and we will still get the right stadium for a school projected to be #2 in size only behind UT in the future. Hopeully, our present UNT administrative staff will leave behind a stadium as one of their legacies with that thought in mind. GMG!

Rick, do they glow in the dark?

To be in Rice Stadium will bring back old memories as it was there I saw my very first college football game. Rice Coach Jess Neely's Owls versus Baylor Coach John Bridgers Bears. I also recall that the UNT/Navy game of last Fall would have easily outdrawn that early 1960's SWC classic. GMG! BEAT THE OWLS! GO MEAN GREEN!

Who knows, maybe we will once again dominte the Sun Belt with a 30,000 seat stadium. Appears we will be the last school in the SBC that is going to build a new stadium to get one started. Not good for all of our fellow Texans (and Lone Star collegians) who believe perception is reality and the grins that will be generated where we all work with what the future "2'nd Largest University of Texas" will build "capacity-wise" with this new stadium. Yes, there will always be the "expansion card" of: Well, we can build it bigger when we need to do so, but anyone else believe that may never happen in all of you Young Gun Alum's lifetimes. Our history and track record from the past tells us it will not. Dr. Gretchen, is this the best we can really do? Are we so dis-jointed and un-connected from this North Texas Metroplex/Fortune 50 Mecca? Some on this very forum (and beyond GMG.com) have privately conveyed that we might could have been raising bigger monies much quicker if we had had more "North Texas Metroplex-connected" fundraisers on the UNT staff the whole time and................during a golden time (now lost) before this present economy went to hell in a handbasket. I still have hope that you all will do the right thing with the reservoir of potential Big Donor names you have in your little lock-boxes up there. Surprise us all and do better than 30,000; hellbells, 33,000 is bigger than SMU and UH's best I can recall. Use their 2 stadium capacities as a barometer that even UNT can do better than. Perception is reality and those who would leave behind their UNT staff successors and our long-suffering alumnus a 30,000 seat stadium should be ashamed for the mental cruelty of such an idea. Hey, we are the ones left behind when you're all gone. Do you all understand the term, uh, legacy? I defer to the below signature...

Funny, Big John, real funny! Actually, Cuzzin' Jelvis is probably the worst dressed Elvis wanna'be in the history of Elvis impersonators; albeit is more a spoof on Elvis than it is mean't to be an impersonation. I did love "The King" though and freely admit it. Do you remember where you were when you heard the terrible news? (Cindy & I lived in Argyle, SUMG, but a much smaller Argyle to say the least).. For you who are truly bored and dare click the PHOTOS part of the website, on any of the photos, click the funny lookin "G with an arrow" in the bottom right of any photo & that will turn the photo around with some kind of caption. As the captions on all the Cuzzin' Jelvis photos would say (or something close to it): This event was at the FW Police Academy's Annual Awards Banquet honoring all the volunteers who help that great organization during the year. Met some real super civil servants and others that night. Cuzzin' Jelvis also had a good time.

I guess we have to have something to talk about this time of year and even from college football upper echelon, eh? Wonder when the NCAA 2008 new college football rules will make these "dead time of year" discussions?

Almost like one of those "Coach Bucko's job is safe" and then he gets fired the next day? Never say never about U of Memphis not going to the Big East. Ask a few ex SWC schools just how fast things can change when it comes to conference re-alignment.

And we should expect more from those media-types who think SMU and TCU are still the darlings of the Metroplex? Hellsbells, look how long it took former UNT great Abner Haynes to be inducted into the Texas Sports Hall of Fame which (BTW) any local DFW sports reporter (or TV sportscaster) in the last few decades could have played key roles in leading a grass roots campaign to get this huge over-sight corrected. Any of you fellow Old Gun Alums recall such an article or push in DFW? I sure as hell don't and I missed very few daily sports pages around these parts since 1972. IMHO and I know the opinons of many of you, the great Abner Haynes should have been in its inaugural class, but I know we tend to be a bit bias on this board. Like UH fundraiser Bill Yeoman (hmmm? what a concept, an ex HFC coach icon & legend as a fundraiser); anyway, like Yeoman has said in recent years: "It's very difficult being a UH alum at times" (or something to that effect). Well, I think many of us at UNT can for darn sure relate to what he is saying with that. Some things in our Lone Star State seem to almost be set in stone when the SWC was created as far back as 1918 or whenever it was created; that is, for all the schools that weren't part of its beginning. GMG!

And if it had been a hexagon surrounding the "UNT", this board could start the same rumors that were pointed at the Proctor-Gamble company a few years ago. ................

Having grown up in the Houston area in the 50's and 60's you would begin to know some of our problems at UNT & most of that having to do with all the gross neglect of our school (outside DFW) and just basic non-coverage of North Texas athletics from the 2 papers I read, ie, the (now defunct) Houston Post and the Houston Chronicle. Fact is (as most of you would know), we were just not a member of the almighty SWC (which amazingly I still miss today albeit we mostly still get the cold shoulder from most of the schools from that old storied league as we did in past decades). Abner Haynes once told me what a past (now deceased) UNT Board of Regent told him many years ago at a Mexican eatery in Fort Worth. The recently inducted Texas Sports Hall of Famer, Ron Shanklin & myself were eating some great Mexican food at Dos Gringo several years ago and Abner told our late, great friend Shank' and myself that UNT should have really started making a push to go up the NCAA 1 ladder as far back as UNT's Sun Bowl team of 1959. Well, as has been said many times ad nausem on this forum from one of its posters:), lets just get our media guides out to see where we've been, what we've done lately (as compared to all ex SWC schools) and see where we're headed today. Of late, Ive been just about as disillusioned about this program as I ever have been post my own graduation in May of 1976. Am I yet any less a fan of our dear ol' alma mater and the Mean Green? No, just like 99.9% of you are not, either. We just need some really big news soon (and I'm not talking about one football player making his grades) although that is always good news). Let me shorten this best I can by saying what many of you already know: This projected new football stadium (IMHO) is really no longer a situation as to our mostly needing to replace the one we have now (which has had as many coats of paint on it as old time comedienne Phyliss Diller must have had in face-lifts).... ....but the building of this new stadium has (IMHO once again) become a rather large symbol of what we really want to do with our entire athletic program, and to a greater extent, our entire Denton-based university. Again, I think the building of this new stadium has become a most important symbol which may answer the question for many of: Does UNT (as the future 2'nd Largest University in the State of Texas) really want to be a true player in NCAA D1 sports period or do we want to continue our role as PSU, that is, Potential State University? We know Todd Dodge wants to get rid of that word "potential" at UNT and was one of the first things he said when he was hired 2 Decembers ago. Many will judge our entire university by what we build out at the Eagle Point Campus and if we blow all of this by the continual delay of getting this enormous project jump-started (or even a worse case scenario of never getting it started period), then all of our fellow Texans across the Lone Star State (&beyond) will have their answer about the University of North Texas' main campus. I know this is possibly the worst time there could be to raise Big Monies for this football stadium with whats going on with the world economy, but we sure do need to "git-er" done anyway. GMG!

I think several on this forum saw the possibility of this happening as soon as UL left for the Big East. Louisville will eventually sponsor Memphis' candidacy for this to happen if they haven't already. Funny how good collegiate neighbors very un$elfi$hly seem to do such things, now isn't it? Nevertheless... GMG!

I know "ONE" piece of good news that will be universally welcomed (well, the Mean Green universe, that is). And that's all I'm going to say about that. GMG!

If there is any school we've played often the last 50 or so years that has UNT's number it would (IMHO) be the Tulsa U Golden Hurricane program and this seems to have begun as far back as both our school's days as conference-mates of the old Missouri Valley Conference. I have often wondered in past decades if we could even beat Tulsa U in a game of Tiddly Winks. (In fact, can one even buy such a game we used to call Tiddly Winks)?

Jerry Moore's big passion when he was the Mean Green HFC was to develop a walk-on program that would emulate the school we hired him from, ie,the U of Nebraska Cornhusker's football program. Maybe its time to start thinking about emphasizing a major walk-on program in Denton again? Our alma mater's location in the 7,000,000 plus populated North Texas Metroplex makes this do-able (and feasible I would think) compared to a sparsely populated NCAA D1-A collegiate outpost. Of course, there may now be NCAA rules curtailing walk-on programs. GMG!